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zaahir.abd
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AS SALAAMU ALAIKUM WA RAHMATULLAH

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE POST SOME INFO ON THESE BROTHERS, INSHA ALLAH?
MUHAMMAD AL SHAREEF IS AGAINST THE DA'WAH I KNOW FIRST HAND. BUT WHAT IS HE ON AND HIS COMPANION?

BARAKALLAHU FEEKUM

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ZAAHIR ABDULLAH AL BUERTO RIKAANEE

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Salah as-Sawee says in the book 'Ath-thaabit wal Mutaghayaraat'  p.145 "And there is no distinguishing limits between what enters into Tawheed Rububiyyah, Tawheed Uluhiyyah and Tawheed Asmaa wa Siffaat. Rather this division in this manner - there has not been reported- as far as we know- a decisive verse, or followed sunnah."!!

However, i asked Sheikh Uthaimeen rahimaahullaah in Unaizah a few years ago about whether the 3 categories of Tawheed are a matter of Ijtihaad and the Sheikh rahimahullaah said "There is one verse which mentions all three categories of Tawheed, Soorah Maryah:65"

"The Lord of the heavens and earth and what is between them, So worship Him and be patient upon His worship, do you know any simlitude to Him?" [Maryam:65]

Sheikh Fawzan in his 'Duroos Minal Quran' answering the first question in the book, the sheikh refutes those who say that the 3 categories of Tawheed are a matter of terminology (istilaah) rather it is something derived directly from the Quran (istiqraa'i).

In Imam Miqreezi's book 'Tajreed Tawheed al Mufeed' he mentioned the last Soorah's of the Quran such as Ikhlaas affirms mainly Tawheed asmaa wa sifaat, Soorah Kaafiroon affirms mainly Tawheed al Uluhiyyah and Soorah Falaq affirms mainly the Rububiyyah of Allaah.

Soorah al-Faatihah and soorah Naas both affirm the 3 categories of Tawheed. So the Quran is all tawheed affirming the 3 categories of Tawheed from the beginning until the end. Other categories would come under these three not seperate.

This is the foundation so beware of the newly invented matters coming from speakers not scholars. Salah Sawee is not from the scholars so his point in his book is refuted along with those who made similar errors such as Zarabozo, Ali Tameemi and all those who invented the 4th category al Haakimiyyah. Hukm yes belongs to Allaah but it comes under Uluhiyyah.

Worse still comes from Salah Sawee's same book 'Ath-thaabit wal Mutaghayaraat' p.290 2nd edition: "in the offering that are to the people of the graves, and in the du'a by which they address the people in the graves - when the intent by that is seeking intercession from the wali with Allaah, and in tawaaf around them, all of that the most that be said about it is that it is innovation and not shirk"!!!

That is sufficient to know what he is upon to keep away from him and his books.

May Allaah keep us firm upon the truth with ikhlaas.

Please note: The translated quotes from Salah Sawee's book 'Ath-thaabit wal Mutaghayaraat'  have been taken from our noble brother Abu 'Iyaad.

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Salaah as-Saawee is not from the scholars, and he has great mistakes, and allows ijtihaad to enter issues of Imaan and Tawheed, and has problems in understanding affairs of shirk and matters related to the grave worshippers and there are mistakes regarding this in his books, and he challenges the established understanding of Tawheed (with its three types, which is taken from the Quran and is Ijmaa with Ahl us-Sunnah) and attempts to negate it, and he just like Suroor and others, belittles affairs of aqeedah and says some of these matters are old and bygone and it is not from Salafiyyah to raise them in our times. He is from the Ikhwaanees, Qutbees, Suroorees, and his dawah is built around issues of haakimiyyah, and he has many people with blind ta'assub to him.

And Shaykh Muqbil (rahimahullaah) was writing a book on him, it is referred to in the footnotes to his book on al-Qaradaawee, and he called it "al-Kaawee fee Dimaagh as-Saawee" (the caustic/burning in the brain of as-saawee). So this person should not be referred to and his muta'assiboon followers (mainly in the US) should not be debated with.

There is no need to go into any more detail than this because the man is majrooh, by the scholars such as Shaykh Muqbil, and his errors are manifest.

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As-salaamu alaikum wa Rahmantullahi wa Barakatuhu,

Jazakallahu Khair for posting this information on Salah as-Sawee
and Muhammad Al-Shareef.  I had questions about these individuals
myself.  I have heard both of them speak.  I know that you can bearly
get either of the individuals to say "Salafi" or "Salaf us Salih."  
I bear witness to the immense changes, bida and fitna that have come
about as a result of their affiliation with Dar es Salaam/Al Huda School.  

As Safi Khan was formerly my wakil (however Abu Tasneem corrected me
that I can't fire a wakil at will), I had great discussions with him
about Al Huda School, Dar es Salaam and goings on at the school.  Suffice it to say that my concerns as well as the community's (i.e. the Salafi community as well as various communities) perception of those around him, as well as the inherent fitna with Indo-Pak political madness was in
question.  At least I can go before my Lord on the Day of Judgment knowing I tried my best to get the brother to see what is going on.  Then again, if an individual speaks highly of Sayyid Qutb, what can I say?  

And this is just one reason why we have to travel to Baltimore or Ayah Musallah in order to hear the Haqq being spoken about.  As was mentioned to me, the bidah of the school/Dar es Salaam is even more out in the open now.  May Allah guide Safi, amin. At one time Safi wasn't so caught up in this bida that is now sooo prevalent there.  May Allah keep us amongst those who sincerely strive to practice the deen in its pristine form,
amin.

As-salaamu alaikum
Umm Layla


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In a lecture delivered by me about two weeks ago in Laurel, Maryland,  I read this quote:

..."in the offering that are to the people of the graves, and in the du'a by which they address the people in the graves - when the intent by that is seeking intercession from the wali with Allaah, and in tawaaf around them, all of that the most that be said about it is that it is innovation and not shirk"...

Today I received a fax via my sister in-law from Salaah as-Saawee comprised of a 'response' to the above statement. His 'response' was from the Permanent Committee regarding tawaaf around the graves and the like.

I am now in need of the Arabic text of the statement cited above by Mr. Saawee if someone out there has it.

Baarakallaahu feekum

Dawud Adib


Aboo Tasneem Dawud Adib

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These are some statements from his book ath-Thawaabit... and they are from Sahab.Net, around two and a half years ago.


قال عن القبوريين"وفى الدعاء الذى يتوجهون به إلى أصحاب القبور,على أن المقصود هو طلب الشفاعة من الولى إلى الله.."إلى قوله"المقصود به أن يكون شبهة تنفى عنهم وصف الشرك حتى تقوم عليهم الحجة"!!!![ص219]


:قال د.صلاح الصاوى "وفى الطواف بالأضرحة على أنه طواف تحية وليس طواف عبادة,فقصاراه أن يكون بدعة لا شركا. وفى طلب المدد على أنه طلب للدعاء والشفاعة إلى الله, فيؤول إلى التوسل المختلف فيه. ونحو ذلك من التأويلات التى تشيع فى عالم الصوفية...ليس المقصود به نفى البدعة والإثم عن هذه الأعمال, وإدراجها بين المسائل الإجتهادية التى لا ينكر فيها على المخالف, وإنما المقصود به أن يكون شبهة تنفى عنهم وصف الشرك,حتى تقوم عليهم الحجة ويثبت قصدهم إلى الإعتقادات الشركية الفاسدة,بما تثبت به الاعتقادات المبيحة للدماء."!!![الثوابت والمتغيرات:219].

:قال الصاوى "وردت الشرائع بمحبة الصالحين وتوقيرهم, وفى التبرك بآثارهم خلاف معتبر"!!![حاشية(1)ص187].

:قال الصاوى فى تقسيم التوحيد إلى ثلاثة أقسام "لم يرد به فيما نعلم آية محكمة أو سنة متبعة"!![الثوابت والمتغيرات:154].


:قال الصاوى[ص154]: "وليست هناك حدود فاصلة بين ما يدخل فى توحيد الربوبية, وبين ما يدخل فى توحيد الألوهية, وبين ما يدخل فى توحيد الأسماء والصفات"!!



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This is how Salaah as-Saawee responed to me:

س 1‏:‏ ما حكم الاستعانة بقبور الأولياء والطواف بها والتبرك بأحجارها والنذر لهم والإظلال على قبورهم واتخاذهم وسيلة عند الله‏.‏

ج 1‏:‏ الاستعانة بقبور الأولياء أو النذر لهم أو اتخاذهم وسطاء عند الله بطلب ذلك منهم شرك أكبر مخرج من الملة الإسلامية موجب للخلود في النار لمن مات عليه‏.‏ أما الطواف بالقبور وتظليلها فبدعة يحرم فعلها ووسيلة عظمى لعبادة أهلها من دون الله‏,‏ وقد تكون شركا إذا قصد أن الميت بذلك يجلب له نفعا أو يدفع عنه ضرا أو قصد بالطواف التقرب إلى الميت‏.‏

وبالله التوفيق، وصلى الله على نبينا محمد‏,‏ وآله وصحبه وسلم‏.‏

اللجنة الدائمة للبحوث العلمية والإفتاء

الرئيس

عبد العزيز بن عبد الله بن باز

نائب رئيس اللجنة

عبد الرزاق عفيفي

عضو

عبد الله بن غديان

عضو

عبد الله بن قعود

And with this:

حكم الطواف وطلب الدعاء حول أضرحة الأولياء

السؤال الرابع من الفتوى رقم ‏(‏9879‏)‏‏:‏

س 4‏:‏ ما حكم الطواف حول أضرحة الأولياء، أو الذبح للأموات أو النذر، ومن هو الولي في حكم الإسلام، وهل يجوز طلب الدعاء من الأولياء أحياء كانوا أم أمواتا‏؟‏

ج 4‏:‏ الذبح للأموات أو النذر لهم شرك أكبر، والولي‏:‏ من والى الله بالطاعة ففعل ما أُمر به وترك ما نُهي عنه شرعا ولو لم تظهر على يده كرامات، ولا يجوز طلب الدعاء من الأولياء أو غيرهم بعد الموت، ويجوز طلبه من الأحياء الصالحين، ولا يجوز الطواف بالقبور، بل هو مختص بالكعبة المشرفة، ومن طاف بها يقصد بذلك التقرب إلى أهلها كان ذلك شركا أكبر، وإن قصد بذلك التقرب إلى الله فهو بدعة منكرة، فإن القبور لا يطاف حولها ولا يصلى عندها ولو قصد وجه الله‏.‏

وبالله التوفيق، وصلى الله على نبينا محمد‏,‏ وآله وصحبه وسلم‏.‏

اللجنة الدائمة للبحوث العلمية والإفتاء

الرئيس

عبد العزيز بن عبد الله بن باز

نائب رئيس اللجنة

عبد الرزاق عفيفي

عضو

عبد الله بن غديان

And lastly this one:

الطواف بالقبور والذبح عندها

فتوى رقم ‏(‏8086‏)‏‏:‏

س‏:‏ يقول فيه نصيحة من مكة المكرمة ان الحاج عبد الله بن مصطفى قال‏:‏ كنت نائما فرايت الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم امرني ان ابلغ هذه الرسالة بالمسلمين بالتعاون والايمان من يقرا هذه الرسالة عليه ان يكتبها 8 مرات ومن لا يقوم بتوزيعها يعاقب بالمرض ومن يقوم بتوزيعها يفرح بعد عشرة ايام فاذا كنت اكذب اموت على دين الكفر‏.‏ هل هذا الكلام صحيح ام كذب‏؟‏ هل الناس الذين يذهبون الى القبة للزيارة ويكون معهم دجاج او نعجة ويذبحون حول القبة التي يوجد فيها الميت ويقول بان ذلك الميت مرابط هل هذا الشيء حرام ام حلال‏؟‏

ج‏:‏ اولا‏:‏ هذه الرؤيا باطلة لا اصل لها‏,‏ وهي من جنس الرؤيا المنسوبة الى خادم الحجرة النبوية‏,‏ وسبق ان كتب سماحة الشيخ عبد العزيز بن باز كتابة مطولة ونشرت في الصحف المحلية وغيرها‏.‏

ثانيا‏:‏ الطواف بالقبور حرام‏,‏ وان قصد التقرب الى من فيها من الموتى فهو شرك اكبر يخرج من الاسلام‏,‏ لان الطواف عبادة لقوله تعالى‏:‏ ‏{‏وليطوفوا بالبيت العتيق‏}‏ وصرف العبادة او شيء منها الى غير الله شرك‏.‏

ثالثا‏:‏ الذبح عند القبور محرم‏,‏ وان قصد به التقرب الى صاحب القبر فهو شرك اكبر لقول الله سبحانه‏:‏ ‏{‏قل ان صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العالمين لا شريك له وبذلك امرت وانا اول المسلمين‏}‏ والنسك‏:‏ هو الذبح‏,‏ ولقول النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم‏:‏ لعن الله من ذبح لغير الله خرجه مسلم في صحيحه

وبالله التوفيق، وصلى الله على نبينا محمد‏,‏ واله وصحبه وسلم‏.‏

اللجنة الدائمة للبحوث العلمية والافتاء

الرئيس عبد العزيز بن عبد الله بن باز

نائب رئيس اللجنة عبد الرزاق عفيفي

عضو عبد الله بن غديان

عضو عبد الله بن قعود


Does anyone here smell some talbees?


Aboo Tasneem Dawud Adib

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As-salaamu Alaikum,

Abu Tasneem, is there an English translation available for the above, insha'allah?

Umm Layla



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As Salaamu `Alaykum

The point about the ta'weelaat of the Soofiyyah, and that the du'aa that they make to the people of the grave, arguing that what is intended by this is to seek the walee's intercession with Allaah, or that seeking aid from the dead is merely seeking their supplication (to Allaah) and their intercession with Allaah and so on.

Then it is a calamity for Dr.as-Saawee to include these affairs into what he calls "ta'weelaat" and which ought to be counted as "doubts that negate the description of Shirk from them". In reality, these particular "ta'weelaat and doubts are no different to the saying of the Mushriks of old, as Allaah the Most High has explained:

 Yunus (10):18
وَيَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِ اللّهِ مَا لاَ يَضُرُّهُمْ وَلاَ يَنفَعُهُمْ وَيَقُولُونَ هَـؤُلاء شُفَعَاؤُنَا عِندَ اللّهِ قُلْ أَتُنَبِّئُونَ اللّهَ بِمَا لاَ يَعْلَمُ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَلاَ فِي الأَرْضِ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَى عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ

And they worship besides Allâh things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say: "These are our intercessors with Allâh." Say: "Do you inform Allâh of that which He knows not in the heavens and on the earth?" Glorified and Exalted be He above all that which they associate as partners with Him!

 Az-Zumar (39):3
أَلَا لِلَّهِ الدِّينُ الْخَالِصُ وَالَّذِينَ اتَّخَذُوا مِن دُونِهِ أَوْلِيَاء مَا نَعْبُدُهُمْ إِلَّا لِيُقَرِّبُونَا إِلَى اللَّهِ زُلْفَى إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَحْكُمُ بَيْنَهُمْ فِي مَا هُمْ فِيهِ يَخْتَلِفُونَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي مَنْ هُوَ كَاذِبٌ كَفَّارٌ

Surely, the religion (i.e. the worship and the obedience) is for Allâh only. And those who take Auliyâ' (protectors and helpers) besides Him (say): "We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allâh." Verily, Allâh will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Truly, Allâh guides not him who is a liar, and a disbeliever.

And du`aa is `ibaadah.
 Al-Jinn (72):18
وَأَنَّالْمَسَاجِدَ لِلَّهِ فَلَا تَدْعُوا مَعَ اللَّهِ أَحَدًا

And the mosques are for Allâh (Alone), so invoke not anyone along with Allâh.

And Shaykh Saalih Aal ash-Shaykh wrote,
quote:
"His saying, "And they worship besides Allâh things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say: "These are our intercessors with Allâh." and supplication is worship, and shafaa'ah is to request supplication (talab ud-du'aa), so it is known that their saying (that of the Mushriks) "haa'ulaa shufa`aa'unaa (these are our intercessors)" is an explanation of "...ya`budoona (they worship)..." at the beginning of the verse."  (Haadhihi Mafaaheemunaa, p.143 - a refutation of Muhammad `Alawee al-Maalikee )
I suggest reading Kashf ush-Shubuhaat along with its explanations to see the serious error of Dr. as-Saawee here. The calamity is very apparent to see.

There is also a difference between
  • the affirmation of the judgement of Shirk (i.e. takfeer) upon a specific person, or its negation,
  • the affirmation of the description of Shirk upon the act that they have fallen into or its negation, or the affirmation of the description of Shirk upon them on account of the act they have fallen into, or its negation.
These are two separate matters.

As-Saawee says that these ta'weelaat are such that they "negate the description of Shirk from them", and this is not correct. Rather, these actions (making supplication to the dead seeking their intercession with Allaah, and in order to seek their aid, by way of the supplication of the dead to Allaah) are Shirk and they are described as Shirk, and those who fall into them described as having fallen into Shirk.

As for the judgement of takfeer upon a specific person then that is a separate matter, and unfortunately, as-Saawee has wrongly claimed that these "ta'weelaat" he has listed are to be counted as those "doubts" that have prevented the hujjah being established upon a person. As we have already seen, these "doubts" are not like that, rather these particular doubts or "ta'weelaat" as-Saawee calls them, are no more than the very saying of the Mushriks of old, as has preceded. So he has wrongly treated these "ta'weelaat" (i.e. the two particular examples given above) as being representative of "mawaani`" (barriers) to takfeer, and this is a mistake. Rather these two particular examples he has given only confirm that those making these ta'weelaat agree both in their actions and in their sayings (of justification) with the Mushriks of old. Thus these particular "ta'weelaat" are not what as-Saawee makes them out to be.

Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan says in his Sharh of Kashf ush-Shubuhaat,
quote:
"So whoever attached himself to the Awilyaa and sought Intercession (Shafaa`ah) from them, while they are dead, or seeks aid (Istigaathah) from them while they are dead, or seeks the fulfilment of needs from them, then he has resembled the first Mushriks about whom Allaah said, "And they worship besides Allâh things that hurt them not, nor profit them, and they say: "These are our intercessors with Allâh." Az-Zumar (39):3" (p.96-97)
Shaykh Ibn `Uthaymeen says in his Sharh of Kashf ush-Shubuhaat,
quote:
"The author mentions ? rahimahullaah ? how we refer the ambiguous to the decisive and clear, and this is that the Mushriks use to affirm Tawheed ur-Ruboobiyyah, and would believe in that with doubtless faith. However, they would worship the Angels, and others and would claim that they are their intercessors with Allaah. And yet alongside this the Prophet (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) made their blood and property lawful (to be taken). And this is a clear and decisive (meaning in the) text, in which there is no doubt and confusion, and it shows that there is no partner to Allaah in his Uloohiyyah and in His Ibaadah, just like there is no partner to Him in His Ruboobiyyah and in his ownership (mulk), and that whoever associates partners with Him in His Uloohiyyah, then he is a Mushrik, even if he affirms Allaah?s Tawheed in Ruboobiyyah."
[Note: And unfortunately we also read as-Saawee negating the understanding of Tawheed with the Salaf, claiming that no aayah or sunnah has been reported with respect to it, and that there are no defined limits as to what enters into each of the three categories of Tawheed. If this is his understanding of Tawheed, then it is not surprising for him to be wallowing in the likes of this falsehood that he has uttered here. Also from this angle, it is also not surprising that he is from amongst the Qutbiyyeen whose da`wah revolves around al-Haakimiyyah, since undertanding and categorising Tawheed seems to be a matter of ijtihaad to them].

Shaikh Ibn Ibraaheem Aal ash-Shaykh said in the Sharh of Kashf ush-Shubuhaat,
quote:
"And the Mushriks were not Kuffaar except because of their attachment to them (the Awliyaa, Angels, Messengers) and due to their hoping for their intercession, and their bringing them closer to Allaah. These are two clear matters: a) their seeking the ambiguous as proof and b) that the Mushriks used to affirm Ruboobiyyah and Allaah declared them disbelievers due to their attachment to the Angels, and their likes ? and all of this merely because they only requested Shafaa?ah and sought nearness to Allaah by this. These two matters are not from the ambiguous matters?"
Also have a good and detailed read of the following three sections from Kashf us-Shubuhaat with the explanation of Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan, Shaykh Ibn `Uthaymeen and Shaykh Muhammad bin Ibraaheem:

http://spubs.com/r.cfm?ID=TAW060005
http://spubs.com/r.cfm?ID=TAW060006
http://spubs.com/r.cfm?ID=TAW060007

So from these quotations the affair becomes clear and the misguidance in the words of as-Saawee is also clear in that he has wrongly treated these "ta'weelaat" (i.e. interpretations of the Soofees) as "doubts" that negate the description of Shirk (from the act, and from the person, in the sense that he has fallen into Shirk). Whereas in reality, these so called "ta'weelaat" are the very same arguments of the Mushriks of old. And he tries to claim that these outright actions of Shirk are to be taken to be the "tawassul in which there is a difference of opinion" - so he reduces what the Legislation describes as Shirk, to innovation, and tries to bring false excuses to nullify the judgment of the Book of Allaah upon these actions.

This is only from one angle, however, in the quotations above from as-Saawee, there are numerous other angles of error, and he has mistakes in the issues of iqaamat ul-hujjah, udhru bil-jahl, and of course in his understanding of Tawheed itself, as it relates to what Ahl us-Sunnah are united upon with respect to it.

As for the fataawaa he has brought from the Permanent Committee, then that is a decoy away from the actual issue, because in his list of things he included:

1) supplication directed to the dead (seeking their intercession)
2) tawaaf around the shrines
3) seeking aid from the dead by supplication to them

And as has already preceded seeking aid from the dead, and supplication directed to the dead - alongside the "ta'weelaat" of the Soofees, that they only seek intercession - then that is clear manifest Shirk, in any case. For Dr. as-Saawee to come back and reply and to vindicate himself on the issue of tawaaf does not aid him in the least. Rather, his error is in the principle he is putting across by using these few examples and he has been deceptive by trying to revolve only around the issue of tawaaf around the graves and trying to use the tafseel  made in those verdicts of the Permanent Committee to vindicate himself. Then let him go and find verdicts that negate the description of Shirk from supplicating to the dead, and seeking aid from them! Let him go and find verdicts from the scholars that explain that supplicating to the dead and supplicating to them for aid, with the excuse of seeking their intercession, is not major shirk! The issue here is in the principle he is trying to lay down, along with the particular examples he has used, and what he has wrongly portrayed as "doubts" in the form of these ta'weelaat - which in reality, are the very sayings of the Mushriks of old.

If as-Saawee had only said that these people may be excused due to them not knowing that they have opposed the deen that the Messengers were sent with, due to a people who misguide them, and thus, even if they fall into Shirk, we do not pass judgements upon them of takfeer until after the iqaamat ul-hujjah (i.e. after showing them that they are in opposition to the deen of Allaah and what the Messenger's brought) this would have been more appropriate.

But he did not come from that angle and entered some confusion into the matter. He entered those particular "ta'weelaat" of the Soofees (i.e. the claim of seeking intercession only by way of their du'aa to the dead and by their supplication for aid) and treated this as if it a form of tawassul which is differed over, (and tantamount only to innovation). So his mistake is in using those particular "ta'weelaat" that he chose in this instance, and his failure to note that these are not ta'weelaat that would remove their action from being Shirk, or remove them from having fallen into Shirk, but that they are the very same responses that the Mushriks of Makkah used - and that this is Shirk, regardless. If he had affirmed this and said that this is Shirk (i.e. their supplication and seeking of intercession from the dead, alongside their claim that they are only seeking intercession), however they may be excused due to them not knowing that they are in opposition to the deen of the Messengers, due to those who misguide them, this would have been more appropriate. But this is not the angle he came from.

Again I recommend a good and detailed read of the explanation of the Scholars of those passages from Kashf ush-Shubuhaat in which Shaykh ul-Islaam Ibn Abdul-Wahhaab refutes the doubts of the Mushriks of old, and also the doubt that as-Saawee is spreading, in the false principle he is laying down. He is confused about the understanding of Tawheed with the Salaf, as is clear from this words, so it is not surprising that he falls into a mistake such as this.


.-=abu.iyaad=-.
-=amjad bin muhammad rafiq=-
--as.salafi--


This message was edited by abu.iyaad on 3-29-03 @ 7:05 PM

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Amma ba'du;

Salamu alaikum wa rahmatullah;

Allah reward you for the information. Great piece showing many things, for example;

1. Why shirk is the greatest sin above even bid'ah,
2. Who to take knowledge from,
3. Why we need to be cafeful about passing on knowledge,
4. Ibadah, du'a, tawaf, all forms of worship are for Allah, Azza wa Jall.

and I'm sure there was much more to be gathered from that Post.

Abu Na'imah Shamsuddin

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It is amazing that 5 years ago Yasir Qadhi openly attacked and criticized the likes of these people. Criticizing those who believe tawheed al hakimiyyah was a separate and 4th category of tawheed. Criticizing those upon taqleed of madhaaheb and grave worship. Now he unites with them and claims to be pleased with there company?! I heard him say with my own ears in December 2008:
  "I don't deserve to be own stage with the likes of Dr. Saleh As Sawhi. In countries that appreciate knowledge know I am nothing in comparison to him. I always turn to him for knowledge and guidance."

Allah musta'aan.

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The content of this thread and the thread below intersect in a few issues. The thread below links to this one, so perhaps this one should link to the thread below:

http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=9&Topic=7298






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