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07-11-2009 @ 7:43 PM    Notify Admin about this post
Abu Shereen Rasheed bin Fred Abdullah (California)
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As salaamu alaikum,

I would like to know what has been said by the muhadithoon and other scholars regarding this dunya not lasting longer than 7000 years and the ummah of Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) not existing past 1500 Hijri?  I have a direct quote from a misguided individual by the name of Muhammad Shareef who translated some works of Uthman dan Fodiyo:


The extent of the world of mankind, of human beings is 7000 years.  Rasul was sent in the last of the 6000th year.  3rd issue is an explanation is that the extent of the Ummah of Muhammad will not reach beyond 1500 H according to Abdur Rahman Suyooti.  

Al haakim & at-Tirmidhee hadeeth concerning jahanamiyyoon (those who go to fire but are Muslim).  'They will be in it like the extent of this world from the time it was created until the time it ends which is 7000 years.'  And this is a sound hadeeth.  

Ibn Asaakir narrated, from Anas:  'Whoever takes care of the need of a Muslim for the sake of Allah, Allah will write for him the reward for the extent of this world's life which is 7000 years, as though he fasted all of its days and stood in prayer all of its nights.'

This hadeeth is also a proof that this world here is only 7000 years old.  We're not talking about the age of the earth or the age of the sun, weıre talking about the age of mankind is only 7000 years.

Questioner: "Fulani question.  Thatıs from the time of Aadam?"

Muhammad Shareef: From the time of Aadam na'm.

It is been related on ibn Aadiy on the authority of Anas (radyallahu ta'alaa anhu) that he said: the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) said, "The age of this world, human world, will be seven days of the aakhirah because your Lord said 'and A day with your Lord is like 1000 years of your reckoning.'"

So the rasul said that this human world will only be seven days of the days of the aakhirah.  And the days of the aakhirah, according to the verse, when Allah taıalaa said, "and a day to your Lord is 1000 years of your reckoning."

Al-Bayhaqi and Suhaili narrated similar hadeeth the latter from Ibn Abbaas (radyallahu anhu).

He goes on to bring forth other proofs from Abdur Rahmaan as-Suyooti as well as a couple more hadeeth to indicate that the Hour will be established no later than 1500 Hijri.  Alhamdulillah, I haven't seen this individual for years, but his mark has still been left behind.  Any evidence for or against these narrations would be much appreciated.  Jazakumullahu khairan.

Abu Shereen

12-11-2009 @ 8:32 AM    Notify Admin about this post
Abul-'Abbaas Moosaa ibn John Richardson (Jeddah, Saudi Arabia)
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wa 'alaykumus-salaamu wa rahmatullaah.

Al haakim & at-Tirmidhee hadeeth concerning jahanamiyyoon (those who go to fire but are Muslim).  'They will be in it like the extent of this world from the time it was created until the time it ends which is 7000 years.'  And this is a sound hadeeth.

1. Not only is al-Haakim's chain weak due to an unknown narrator who took the hadeeth from 'Ikrimah, the actual wording is: "When the Messenger of Allaah (may Allaah raise his rank and grant him peace) arrived in al-Madeenah, the Jews were saying that this worldly life will last 7000 years."
This is attributed to Ibn 'Abbaas.  Unless the intended hadeeth is another one in al-Haakim's book which I could not find, this hadeeth can not establish such a claim, since (if it were authentic) it is merely what the Jews were saying, with no mention of an approval from the Messenger of Allaah (may Allaah raise his rank and grant him peace).

2. I believe the "Tirmidhee" being referred to is al-Hakeem at-Tirmithee, not the famous "Imaam at-Tirmithee".  There is a big difference.  al-Hakeem at-Tirmithee [d.320] had a book called "Nawaadir al-Usool" with lots of weak and fabricated narrations.  The scholars of hadeeth consider a hadeeth only referenced to his book to be an indication of its weakness.  Al-Imaam at-Tirmithee (d.279) was a great imaam of hadeeth praised by the likes of Imaam al-Bukhaaree and the imaams of the third century.  He judged the authenticity of the vast majority of the hadeeths he collected in his Jaami', commonly referred to as "Sunan at-Tirmithee".

I say this because I could not find the hadeeth in Imaam at-Tirhmithee's book, yet I found it in al-Hakeem at-Tirmithee's book (2/36), without a chain.  It is a long hadeeth with obvious signs of being fabricated, attributed to Aboo Hurayrah, from the Prophet (may Allaah raise his rank and grant him peace).  Al-'Iraaqee declared the hadeeth to be weak in al-Mughnee fee Haml al-Asfaar.

3. Based on these two points, to judge the hadeeth to be sound is an obvious error, and Allaah knows best.  Moreover, the hadeeth has been identified by the scholars as a fabrication.

4. Without going into further details about the other claims made, I will quote the words of Ibn Qayyim al-Jowziyyah from his book, al-Manaar al-Muneef (pp.80-83), where he discussed a number of guidelines that can be used to identify lies attributed to the Prophet (may Allaah raise his rank and grant him peace):

...And from these [guidelines] is that the report contradicts explicit passages of the Qur'aan, like the hadeeth about the length of the dunyaa, that it is 7000 years, and that we are in the seventh thousand.  This is from the most obvious of lies, since had it been authentic, everyone would know that there can only remain 251 years! [Ibn al-Qayyim likely wrote this around the year 749]  How can this be so when Allaah has said (what means), "They ask you about the Hour, when will it come?  Say: 'Knowledge of it is only with my Lord.  None can reveal its time other than Him.  Its affair is heavy throughout the heavens and earth.  It shall not come upon you except suddenly (without warning).'  They ask you about it as if you know about it!  Say: Its knowledge is only with Allaah." [al-A'raaf 7:187]  And Allaah has said, [what means], "Verily with Allaah is knowledge of the Hour."

We can further verify the correctness of Ibn al-Qayyim's argument, "...Everyone would know that there can only remain 251 years!" since we are now living 680 years after he said that.

I hope this helps clarify the falsehood of the claim in question, and Allaah knows best.

Moosaa ibn John Richardson

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