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Topic: Lifting The Blame From A Deobandee Claim - Nabeedh-ut-Tamr!
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Abu Abd Ar Rahman Abd Al Adheem Ibn Faheem ibn Zia ibn Ma'een
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Haraam Nabeedh
باب كراهة انتباذ التمر والزبيب مخلوطين
Chapter 5 : IT IS NOT APPROVED TO PREPARE NABEEDH BY MIXING DRY DATES AND GRAPES
حدثنا شيبان بن فروخ حدثنا جرير بن حازم سمعت عطاء بن أبي رباح حدثنا جابر بن عبد الله الأنصاري أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم نهى أن يخلط الزبيب والتمر والبسر والتمر
Book 23, Number 4897:
Jabir b. 'Abdullah al-Ansari reported that Allah's Messenger (Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam) prohibited the (preparation of) Nabeedh by mixing together fresh dates and grapes, and he prohibited the preparation of Nabeedh by mixing the fresh dates and unripe dates together.
حدثنا قتيبة بن سعيد حدثنا ليث عن عطاء بن أبي رباح عن جابر بن عبد الله الأنصاري عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أنه نهى أن ينبذ التمر والزبيب جميعا ونهى أن ينبذ الرطب والبسر جميعا
Book 23, Number 4898:
Jabir b. Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam) as saying: Do not mix fresh dates and dry dates, and grapes and fresh dates for preparing Nabeedh.
وحدثني محمد بن حاتم حدثنا يحيى بن سعيد عن بن جريج ح وحدثنا إسحاق بن إبراهيم ومحمد بن رافع واللفظ لابن رافع قالا حدثنا عبد الرزاق أخبرنا بن جريج قال قال لي عطاء سمعت جابر بن عبد الله يقول قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لا تجمعوا بين الرطب والبسر وبين الزبيب والتمر نبيذا
Book 23, Number 4899:
Jabir b. Abdullah al-Ansari reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) Prohibited the preparation of Nabeedh by mixing grapes and fresh dates. and he forbade the preparation of Nabeedh by mixing unripe dates with fresh dates.
حدثنا يحيى بن يحيى أخبرنا يزيد بن زريع عن التيمي عن أبي نضرة عن أبي سعيد أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم نهى عن التمر والزبيب أن يخلط بينهما وعن التمر والبسر أن يخلط بينهما
Book 23, Number 4901:
Abu Sa'id reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) prohibited us to mix grapes and dry dates together and unripe dates and dry dates (to prepare Nabeedh.
حدثنا يحيى بن أيوب حدثنا بن علية أخبرنا هشام الدستوائي عن يحيى بن أبي كثير عن عبد الله بن أبي قتادة عن أبيه قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم لا تنتبذوا الزهو والرطب جميعا ولا تنتبذوا الزبيب والتمر جميعا وانتبذوا كل واحد منهما على حدته
Book 23, Number 4904:
Abu Qatada, on the authority of his father, reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said this: Do not prepare Nabeedh by mixing nearly ripe dates and fresh dates together, and do not prepare Nabeedh by mixing grapes and dates together, but prepare Nabeedh from each (one of them) separately.
وحدثنا أبو بكر بن أبي شيبة حدثنا علي بن مسهر عن الشيباني عن حبيب عن سعيد بن جبير عن بن عباس قال نهى النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم أن يخلط التمر والزبيب جميعا وأن يخلط البسر والتمر جميعا وكتب إلى أهل جرش ينهاهم عن خليط التمر والزبيب
Book 23, Number 4906:
Abu Qatada reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not prepare Nabeedh by mixing nearly ripe and fresh dates and do not prepare Nabeedh by mixing together fresh dates and grapes, but prepare Nabeedh out of each (one of them) separately. Yahya stated that he had met 'Abdullah b. Abu Qatada and he narrated it on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said this. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Yahya b. Abu Kathir through these two chains of transmitters but with a slight variation of words.
[ See Saheeh Of Imaam Muslim rahimahullaah]
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Criticism Of Imaam al-Bukhaaree Upon Hanafee Blind Followers
باب لا يجوز الوضوء بالنبيذ ولا المسكر وكرهه الحسن وأبو العالية وقال عطاء التيمم أحب إلي من الوضوء بالنبيذ واللبن
Baab The Impermissibility of making wudhoo with Nabeedh and Intoxicants and Hasan al Basree and Abul Aaliyah hated it and Ataa (Ibn Abee Rabaah) said Tayammum is more dearer to me than making wudhoo with Nabeedh and Milk.
حدثنا علي بن عبد الله قال حدثنا سفيان قال حدثنا الزهري عن أبي سلمة عن عائشة عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال كل شراب أسكر فهو حرام
Alee bin Abd-Allaah narrated to us who said, Sufyaan narrated to us who said, Az-Zuhree narrated to us upon the authority of Abee Salamah from Ayesha radhiAllaahu anha from the Messenger of Allaah Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam that he said:
Every intoxicating drink is haraam.
حدثني إسحاق حدثنا خالد عن الشيباني عن سعيد بن أبي بردة عن أبيه عن أبي موسى الأشعري رضى الله تعالى عنه أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم بعثه إلى اليمن فسأله عن أشربة تصنع بها فقال وما هي قال البتع والمزر فقلت لأبي بردة ما البتع قال نبيذ العسل والمزر نبيذ الشعير فقال كل مسكر حرام رواه جرير وعبد الواحد عن الشيباني عن أبي بردة
Narrated Sa?eed ibn Abee Burda: That Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari radhiAllaahu anhu said that the Prophet had sent him to Yemen and he asked the Prophet about certain (alcoholic) drink which used to be prepared there The Prophet said, "What are they?" Abu Musa said, "Al-Bit' and Al-Mizr?" I asked Abee Burda, what is al-Bit? He said, "Al-Bit is an alcoholic drink made from honey; and Al-Mizr is an alcoholic drink made from barley." The Prophet said, "All intoxicants are prohibited?
Now the question to the deobandees is who is Imam al-Bukhaaree rahimahullaah referring to in his baab? Jinns of Koofa? Or Shee?ah of Koofa? Such is the fiqh of Ameer-il-Mu?mineen Fil Hadeeth! So dont blame I'laam because centuries before Ibn al-Qayyim rahimahullaah, Imam al-Bukhaaree rahimahullaah pointed this out!
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Ruling Upon Wudhoo With Nabeedh-uth-Thamr
Summary of allegation Upon Ibn al-Qayyim rahimahullaah
1. Ibn al-Qayyim in I?laam ul Muwaqqi?een Volume 1 page 542 point number 1 under heading 168, said about the hanafeeyah that they say, : nabeedh yani khajoor ka sheerey se wudhu jaiz hai' .
2. According to the hanafee fiqh, Nabeedh that is permissible is not Khajoor Ka Sheera but only water used to soak dates.
3. So the author is misleading everyone and ascribing things to the hanafee fiqh that which is not present in them.
Below are the words of Ibn al-Qayyim rahimahullaah in I?laam
فالجواب من وجوه؛ أحدها أنكم أول مَنْ نقض هذا الأصل الذي أصَّلتموه، فإنكم قبلتم خبر الوضوء بنبيذ التمر وهو زائد على ما في كتاب الله مغير لحكمه؛ فإن الله سبحانه جَعَلَ حكم عادم الماء التيمم، والخبر يقتضي أن يكون حكمه الوضوء بالنبيذ؛ فهذه الزيادة بهذا الخبر الذي لا يثبت رافعة لحكم شرعي غير مقارنة له ولا مقاومة بوجه، وقبلتم خبر الأمر بالوتر مع رفعه لحكم شرعي،
The hanafeeyah did not have anything to say with regards to the statements of Ibn al-Qayyim rahimahullaah for several hundred years but it is the deobandees who have an objection!!!
So my first response to the deobandees is that the reason why ?Khajoor Ka Sheera? allegation is incorrectly attributed to ibn al-Qayyim because Ibn al-Qayyim did not author this book in Urdu and more importantly the deobandee ?ulamaa? did not have any time to teach him Urdu in their soul to-soul meetings with the dead as they were too busy teaching the Messenger of Allaah Sallallahu alaihi wa Sallam Urdu language!!!
Attached is the scan from Rasheed Ahmed Gangohi?s book which claims ?
?Once a person saw the Messenger of Allaah Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam in his dream, conversing in Urdu. So he asked O Messenger of Allaah Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam, from where have you learnt this language ? You are an Arab? , then he (Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam) said: Ever since I have met the Ulamaa of Deoband , I have learnt this language (Urdu)!!!
Secondly, Ibn al-Qayyim explains what other kind of nabeedh-ut-tamr hanafeeyah have made permissible to make wudhoo with.
الْوَجْهُ الرَّابِعُ وَالثَّلَاثُونَ : أَنَّكُمْ رَدَدْتُمْ السُّنَّةَ الثَّابِتَةَ عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ بِالْمَسْحِ عَلَى الْجَوْرَبَيْنِ ، وَقُلْتُمْ : هِيَ زَائِدَةٌ عَلَى الْقُرْآنِ ، وَجَوَّزْتُمْ الْوُضُوءَ بِالْخَمْرِ الْمُحَرَّمَةِ مِنْ نَبِيذِ التَّمْرِ الْمُسْكِرِ بِخَبَرٍ لَا يَثْبُتُ وَهُوَ خِلَافُ الْقُرْآنِ .
[ I?laam Juz 2 /489]
Ibn al-Qayyim rahimahullaah said: Forty-Third Reason ?
Verily! You rejected the established Sunnah from the Messenger of Allaah Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam of wiping over the socks and you said: This is in opposition to the Qur?aan. And you made it permissible making Wudhoo with prohibited wine derived from nabeedh-ut-tamr and the intoxicant wine is not established (from the Sunnah) but rather it is in complete opposition to the Qur?aan..
Insha Allaah in my next set of posts I will list the type of nabeedh that is permissible to drink (not making wudhoo) from the ahadeeth of the Messenger of Allaah Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam and give exact quotes from the books of hanafee fiqh to confirm what Ibn al-Qayyim rahimahullaah has said.
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