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Abul Hasan has fallen in Yemen. He has fallen, if Allaah wills, in the Emirates... and he is finished in the Mamlakah, and all praise is due to Allaah, he is finished, completely and now he lies, he says "with us is so and so and so and so", and he is a liar. The people have abandoned him. Everyone who had intellect and religion (aql and deen) has abandoned him...

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I heard Abal-Hasan Mustafaa bin Ismaa'eel as-Sulaymaanee al-Misree, the resident of Ma'rib say, whilst he was on his journey to meet the Shaykhs of Madinah, who wanted to make Islaah: "You will see O Abdar-Rahmaan, Shaykh Rabee' will be walking all by himself, all of the people will be with us". And he used to contact us (by phone) and would (boast) saying, "So and so (number of people) were present with us in such and such place...", and then as the days passed by his followers would be decreasing, and then after some days his deceptions and plotting would return - which is a habit of his - and he would then say, "This is the way of the people of truth, that their followers decrease".

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Safeeh...(fool, idiot)

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Perhaps his words were directed to the beloved Scholars of Ahl us Sunnah... And this has been seen already. It is well known that some of the positions taken by the so-called "juhal extremists" from amongst our brothers (including issues on tathabut), are in fact coming directly from the positions and statements of the Ulamaa such as Sh. Rabee, Sh. Ubayd and others, (May Allah preserve them) and this is not hidden from anyone. So when brothers speak so vehemently and disparigingly toward the "youth" who hold these opinions, it is foolish to think that their words are only directed towards them.

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Akhee i think you are gravely mistaken, you must understand their are two types of people on this side of the fence. Those that disparige the beloved scholars of ahlu sunnah like sheikh Rabee and sheikh Ubaid etc etc and those who differ with them in some issues. As for the former i do not see them upon salafiya rather upon bidda may Allah guide us and them. As for the later then they are upon salafiya but they disagree with some of the scholars in their opinions about others but they have other scholars supporting their views. There are some "Juhaal Extrimists" whom we have witnessed express their ignorance in many many issues, full of tahazub - knowingly or unknowingly - spreading their extreme understandings and opinions, behaving like they are they vangaurds of salafiya but they are in fact the most ignorant of salafiya, and so on and so forth. The point is, that these people, one of the most extreme distorted opinions they hold is : The one who differs with the beloved masheikh of this dawa, if he propogates his views ( though he has other scholars supporting that view) is deemed a heritic,from ahlul biddah and to be warned against. But if he did not propogate it then they would remain silent over him. in a nut shell - "there aint no differing allowed with their scholars" so the second group of people on this side of the fence in no way intend disparaging the mashiekh of this dawa salafiya rather they wish to warn against the juhaal extremists that take the words of the mashiekh to another galaxy, or explain it according to their wims and desires. So we ask Allah for us and for them guidence. __________________ Abu Saifillah As Salafee

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Akhee i think you are gravely mistaken, you must understand their are two types of people on this side of the fence. Those that disparige the beloved scholars of ahlu sunnah like sheikh Rabee and sheikh Ubaid etc etc and those who differ with them in some issues.As for the former i do not see them upon salafiya rather upon bidda may Allah guide us and them.As for the later then they are upon salafiya but they disagree with some of the scholars in their opinions about others but they have other scholars supporting their views.

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"Who said Shaykh Rabee' is the Imaam of al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel - may Allaah forgive the one who said it - rather he is the Imaam of al-Jarh wat-Ta'teel, I say it with a Taa, not a Daal". من قال أن الشيخ ربيع إمام الجرح والتعديل -غفر الله لمن قالها- إنما هو إمام الجرح والتعطيل أقولها بالطاء لا بالدال

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In short, I say: Certainly, the carrier of the flag of al-Jarh wat-Ta`deel today, in the current times  - and in truth ? is our brother, Doctor Rabee`. And as for those who refute him, then they do not do so on the basis of knowledge ever. And the knowledge is actually with him.

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"Shaykh Rabee' is a trickster (i.e. a cheater, fraudster) so beware, O seeker of knowledge, from this cheating, fraud". الشيـخ ربيع مراوغ فأحذر يا طالب العلم من هذه المراوغة

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"The manner of Shaykh Rabee is being scornful upon the people". أسلوب الشيخ ربيع هو الاستهتار بالناس

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"Indeed, the one who speaks with the saying of Shaykh Rabee' is a muta'assib, muqallid, mutamaawit, in the tail ends of this man (i.e. Shaykh Rabee') whose state has become clear to us a great deal, we ask Allaah to save us from his evil and that he deals with him as he deserves." إن الذي يقول بقول الشيخ ربيع متعصب ومقلد متماوت في أذيال هذا الرجل الذي قد بان لنا الكثير من أحواله ، نسأل الله أن يكفينا شره وأن يعامله بما يستحق

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"And since when did Shaykh Rabee' wait for the Scholars, and when did he restrict himself by the speech of the Scholars and not surpass what the Scholars say. Either Shaykh Rabee' has made the scholars as a barricade and trench which he shields himself with in order throw this vile spear of his upon the Muslims" ومتى كان الشيخ ربيع ينتظر العلماء ومتى كان يتقيد بكلام العلماء ولا يتجاوز ما يقوله العلماء إما الشيخ ربيع جعل العلماء مترسا وخندقا يتترس فيـه من أجل أن يرمي سهامه هذه الخبيثة في المسلمين

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"We know justice, and equity from Ahl us-Sunnah, as for Shaykh Rabee', he is in one valley, and justice and equity are in another valley". نعرف من أهل السنَّة العدل والإنصاف ، أما الشيخ ربيع في واد والعدل والإنصاف في واد آخر

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Q. Question, O Shaikh. You know the postion of Shaikh Muqbil - hafidhahullaah - and likewise Shaikh Rabee' - hafidhahullaah ta'aala - with regard to fighting against innovations and the deviant sayings. Some of the youth call into question the standing of these two shaikhs, so if you were to say a word about these two shaikhs - even if it is very brief - by which Allaah may bring benefit and which may be a defence of these two from many peoples tongues - who in speaking against them intend to find fault with the way which they are upon. Ans: We, without doubt praise Allaah - the Mighty and Majestic - that he has provided for this righteous da'wah, which is firmly founded on the Book and the Sunnah upon the methodology of the Pious Predecessors, a number of callers in the Islaamic lands who establish the duty that is obligatory for some to fulfill and which is established by very few people in the Islamic lands today. So belittling these two shaikhs who call to the book and the Sunnah and what the Salafus-Saalih (Pious Predecessors) were upon, and fight against those who oppose this correct methodology is, as will not be hidden from one and all, is something which emanates only from one of two people: Either from an ignorant person or a follower of desires. As for the ignorant person, then it is possible to guide him, since he thinks that he is upon some knowledge - so when the correct knowledge becomes clear then he is guided. But as for the follower of desires then there is nothing we can do with him unless Allaah - the Blessed and Most High - guides him. So these people who speak against the two shaikhs - as we have mentioned - are either ignorant and so should be taught, or (they are) followers of their desires - and we should seek refuge from the evil of such a person, and we ask Allaah - the Mighty and Majestic - that He either guides him or breaks his back. What I have seen in the writings of Shaikh Dr. Rabee' is that they are beneficial, and I do not recall having seen a mistake he has made, or any departure from the methodology upon which we are united with him and he with us.

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And I remind al-Abbaad that those are the ones who began with a war and with tribulations, and they began with lies, oppression and transgression, and they did not cease after that. Then they are only directing these vile actions (once more) by distributing this book, as if it is for them, and as if al-Abbaad did not write this book except to aid them, and they forget what they committed of humiliating (deeds) and oppression and transgression... may Allaah bless you. So explain to the people that this book in its reality is against them, if Allaah wills, irrespective of whether Shaykh al-Abbaad actually intended this or not, and I hope that he did intend this, that it is against them because they are the ones who transgress against the foundations of the Salafee manhaj, and upon its Shaykhs. They are the ones who came with destructive, corrupt, stagnant principles in order to shelter the Ahl ul-Bida' wad-Dalaal, adn they committed whatever they committed of things that I and others have explained. And this short glance (at this matter) should be sufficient, so distribute it so that the people may gain insight, and corroborate it by looking at what you find in it of revilements which do not apply except to them, such as al-jarh wat-ta'deel with baatil, and revilement upon the scholars, and with that which is worse than tabdee such as accusing the people of "ghuthaa'iyyah" and that they are "the lowliest of people", and that they are "shrimps (i.e. low, insignificant people)" and the essence of what they say in these (Internet) sites. Explain this matter to the people may Allaah bless you, Allaah will nullify their plot and their scheme, and distribute this cassette in every place, may Allaah grant you success in what He loves and is pleased with.

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Abul Hasan has fallen in Yemen. He has fallen, if Allaah wills, in the Emirates... and he is finished in the Mamlakah, and all praise is due to Allaah, he is finished, completely and now he lies, he says "with us is so and so and so and so", and he is a liar. The people have abandoned him. Everyone who had intellect and religion (aql and deen) has abandoned him...

1. Explaining the correctness of Shaykh Rabee`s refutation of the false `usool of Abul-Hasan, by way of the joint bayaan between the Shaykh and the Tullaab of Jordan. This will show that as far as the `usool that related to this whole fitnah were concerned, there was no difference between the Salafees in the West, and those who refuted the false `usool of Abul-Hasan
2. Explaining that the source and origin of many of the judgements that the Salafees are upon, which followed on from the exposition of the abovementioned `usool of Abul-Hasan - the judgements such as boycotting those who are still with Abul-Hasan as-Sulaymaanee and warning from them, was not the Salafees in the West, but the same Scholars `Abdul-Qadir Baksh claims an outward love for, and claims they have nothing to do with the "Juhhaal Extremists" in the West
3. Clarification of a shubhah that has led the followers of Abul-Hasan to describe matters as being "baatil extreme principles", when in reality they are Sharee`ah principles and mentioning the reason why they fell into this

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Assalamu alaykum akhee im concerned that some of your words may be misunderstood please can you clarify that your word were not about the beloved scholars of ahlu Sunnah but rather about the Juhaal Ruwaibidha: Barak Allahu Feek __________________ Abu Saifillah As Salafee

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There are some "Juhaal Extrimists" whom we have witnessed express their ignorance in many many issues, full of tahazub - knowingly or unknowingly - spreading their extreme understandings and opinions, behaving like they are they vangaurds of salafiya but they are in fact the most ignorant of salafiya, and so on and so forth. The point is, that these people, one of the most extreme distorted opinions they hold is : The one who differs with the beloved masheikh of this dawa, if he propogates his views ( though he has other scholars supporting that view) is deemed a heritic,from ahlul biddah and to be warned against. But if he did not propogate it then they would remain silent over him. in a nut shell - "there aint no differing allowed with their scholars" so the second group of people on this side of the fence in no way intend disparaging the mashiekh of this dawa salafiya rather they wish to warn against the juhaal extremists that take the words of the mashiekh to another galaxy, or explain it according to their wims and desires. So we ask Allah for us and for them guidence. __________________ Abu Saifillah As Salafee

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And from those knowledge and manhaj based affairs, which were agreed upon by all of those present were: Firstly: That the Khabar ul-Aahaad about whose authenticity is not differed over by the Scholars of Ahl us-Sunnah is a khabar that amounts to knowledge and action (together) and it is used as argument in [affairs] of aqeedah and ahkaam, without differentiating [between them]. And that the saying of the one who mentions it with dhann (speculation) and what is like it, then it is a saying that opposes, absolutely and without exception, the preponderant truth from the sayings of Ahl ul-Hadeeth, and that the one who speaks with this, speaks with the saying of the Ash'ariyyah and is influenced by them.

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Secondly: That whose mention has been repeated, of the issues of "Mujmal and Mufassal", and whatever relates to it. The truth concerning it is as follows: The issue of "Mujmal and Mufassal" - with this usage - is not investigated into except in the words of Allaah, the Most High, and His Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam). And the investigation of this matter, with respect to the words of the scholars is called "Itlaaqaat al-Ulamaa" (the Absolutions of the Scholars) - as Shaykh ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullaah) has mentioned. An erroneous absolution which is [nevertheless] clarified and explained by other speech [emanating] from the same person [elsewhere], is treated in the following way: a) Declaring this absolution to be an error, in accordance with its nature, [which is] either an innovation or an error. b) Accepting this clarification and explanation (i.e. on behalf of the one who made this erroneous absolution, he must accept this clarification and explanation of his error) c) Not passing a judgement upon this erring one who made this absolution that he is an Innovator 'ayniyyan (i.e. in person, specifically), unless he is a person of Innovation, or a person of desires. d) And as for a Salafee student of knowledge who is well known with for his Salafiyyah and his [sound] manhaj, then when he falls into anything of that, then we declare him to be in error in his absolution, and we make what he is manifestly correct in to be the major consideration. Alongside advising him, reminding him, explaining the truth to him, unless their appears his stubborn opposition and his persistence [in this falsehood] is unveiled. e) It is not permissible to take this issue of "Itlaaq al-Ulamaa" as a means to accommodate the sayings of the well-known Innovators like Sayyid Qutb and others.

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Thirdly: Evil speech concerning the Companions of Allaah's Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) is broad, vast misguidace, and it is not permissible for a Muslim, whoever it may be, to accept this (speech) or to make it a light matter. And the one who from whom a word appears, and from which anything of belittlment of them (radiallaahu anhum) can be perceived, then it is a definitive obligation upon him to recant from it, to seek forgiveness from Allaah concerning it, and not to derive excuses about it. For the issue of the Companions (radiallaahu anhum) is a serious and important matter and they (radiallaahu anhum), are the trustworthy (carriers) of the Sharee'ah and the guardians of the religion. And this is a door that is obligatory to be closed, in fulfilment of the saying of the Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam), "When my companions are mentioned, then withhold".

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Fourthly: The Jamaa'aat of Hizbiyyah that are scattered in the plain, such as Jamaa'at al-Ikhwaan al-Muslimeen, and Jamaa'at at-Tableegh, and Hizb ut-Tahreer and Jamaa'at ul-Jihaad and the Takfeeriyyeen, and the Surooriyyeen, and the Qutbiyyeen, and whoever is like them - they are Jamaa'aat that are outside of the Sunnah, and they are in opposition to the manhaj of the Salaf, due to what is known of their deviations, misguidances. So it is not permissible to defend them, in any shape, such as [the claim of] ta'seel (laying down foundations to understand these affairs), or other than that. And as for the claim of some of the people that the manhaj of Ahl us-Sunnah is vast, then it is a futile statement on account of what is built upon it of entering Ahl ul-Bid'ah into the Sunnah, and belittling the affair of their deviations and aspects of misguidance.

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Sixthly: "at-Tathabbut" (verification), in the view of the people of knowledge is a precise, established manhaj. It has its forms, and angles (of approach). As for rejecting the truth and the evidences for what is correct, with the claim of "Tathabbut (verification)", then it is a newly-arisen path, which opposes the manhaj of the Sunnah, and the path of those who are upon it. And the claim of not accepting the information (khabar) except with direct hearing of the one who said it (originally) is a futile claim, which is rejected by the methodologies of the Ulamaa, and their specific detailed ways. And the paths of accepting a report, are numerous and are well known. And these, all of them, are built upon the knowledge-based proof, and the clear Sharee'ah evidence.

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Seventhly: The saying of some of the people, "We correct, but we do not disparage" is a falsehood with certainty. And Ahl ul-Hadeeth have not ceased, from before and afterwards, disparaging (making jarh) of those who deserve to have jarh made upon them, using knowledge-based principles, and Sharee'ah foundations. And also amongst this (falsehood) - but in another garment - [of] misguidance - is the saying of the one who said, "We cooperate in that which we agree, and we pardon each other in that which we disagree".

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And built upon all of this, we advise, in ending, with two pieces of advice: Firstly: That everyone who opposes these qawaa'id (principles), it is obligatory upon them to return to the clear truth, and that he returns (with penance) to this sound nahj (way, manhaj) - whoever that may be - with clarity (wudooh), and with explanation and clarification, and open manifestation of the truth, without any talbees (deception) or tadlees (fraud, swindle).

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The point is, that these people, one of the most extreme distorted opinions they hold is : The one who differs with the beloved masheikh of this dawa, if he propogates his views ( though he has other scholars supporting that view) is deemed a heritic,from ahlul biddah and to be warned against. But if he did not propogate it then they would remain silent over him. in a nut shell - "there aint no differing allowed with their scholars"

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Question: Concerning a man who says he is withholding on the issue of Abul-Hasan al-Maribee while he has actually read the refutations of the scholars is he to be warned against and boycotted? Shaikh Rabee' bin Haadee al-Madkhalee: Give them some respite. Give them some respite till some other days. If they stood by the truth, aided it, and [word unclear] the falsehood and belittled it, then they are your brothers. And if they continue to argue, wallow (in the falsehood), then we never doubt, or hesitate in (holding) that they are Ashaab ul-Ahwaa (people of desires). Henceforth, they are to be boycotted and there is no liberty. However, I ask Allaah that he does not prolong their affair until they show arrogance and stubbornness, and being occupied in falsehood. Returning to the truth is better than wallowing in falsehood, and a believer is one who always returns to Allaah. And a believer is one who constantly repents, and Allaah rejoices with the repentance of His servant, and Allaah loves those who constantly repent and those who purify themselves. So if he has stood by Abul Hasan until this date, there is no doubt that he is upon falsehood, and if comes and brings these tricks and plots, then he is given respite, for a week, or two, so he either repents [...section cut]... and goes with the Scholars of the Salaf and the Scholars of the Salafee Manhaj, in the truth [that they are upon] and in aid of the truth for which they stood for, then he is from us and is our brother. And the one who refused except but to follow the devil then he is to be boycotted.

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Question: Ya Shaykh here in Britain we have a man whose name is Abdul Qaadir Baksh, who has a site on the internet, he spreads the words of Abul Hasan where he refutes some of the people of knowledge, the likes of Shaykh Muhammed Ibn Haadi Al-Madkhali. And likewise he spreads the doubts of this man (Abul Hasan). So Oh Shaykh, how do we deal with this man in particular and those like him who proceed upon this same path? The Shaykh Allaamah Ahmed Ibn Yahya An-Najmi: Alhamdu lillah was Salaatu was Salaam Ala Rasoolillaah wa Ala Aalihi wa Sahbihi. It has become clear that Abul Hasan is an innovator and the one who aids him then indeed he is aiding the innovators, maybe this (man) is an innovator like him or greater than him. So I say that you should advise him, so if he accepts the advise then that is that and if he does not accept the advice then abandon him, warn against him, don?t listen to his speech or read what he writes, this is my advice to you, because Allaah imposed it upon his messenger to convey (The message) and after this he never burdened him with anything else. So you should inform him that this is a mistake and that you are involving yourself in innovation which is not allowed for the muslim to be involved in. (Word unclear) to fear Allaah and to fear standing before Allaah as neither this person or that person will be able to benefit you, so if he accepts then that is that and if he does not accept then leave him just as other than him from the people of innovation are left and warn against him just as you warn against other than him from the people of innovation. Wa Billahi At-Tawfeeq.

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QUESTIONER: O Shaykh, this man has been advised in numerous small sittings, and he has been advised however he does not cease to speak with these sayings, and also some of the doubts which he puts over the youth, however I desired to ask you until you explain to us, and you reply to these doubts. So O Shaykh, what is the ruling with sitting with those?? SHAYKH RABEE?: By Allaah, they are to be warned against, they are to be advised, and the truth explained to them, and they are advised to abandon these methods of tamyee' (i.e. wasting, softening), and if they persist then they are to be warned against, and they are to be included amongst the Ahl ul-Fitan (the people of tribulations).

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QUESTIONER: Fine O Shaykh, meaning that our obligation is that we advise this man, and that we advise whoever sits with him and follows him after that. SHAYKH RABEE?: Now the followers of Abul-Hasan say that they do not blindly follow, so why do they blindly follow Ahl us-Shaam (i.e. the Jordanians). How can they leave the evidences, and the leave the clear proofs and the clear explanations, they leave the other scholars and amongst them are those who are greater in age that al-`Abbaad and those of Shaam, and they all convicted Abul-Hasan (i.e. of his errors and innovations). So why do they not take to their speech and the truth is with them. They are people of desires. They have taken the same ways as al-Ikhwaan al-Muslimoon, they used to say, "Al-Albaanee", they said, "Al-Albaanee", these are deceptions, they are clear Ikhwaan Muslimeen, but they attach themselves to Ibn Baaz, and they attach themselves to al-Albaanee and Ibn Uthaymeen falsely and spuriously. And this is just like these people (i.e. the followers of Abul-Hasan) and what it is that they have presented in refutation of our writings... ...and if they presented to them evidences and clear proofs that they hold onto which falsify what the scholars say, the scholars of Yemen, and Shaykh al-Bannaa, and Shaykh al-Wasabee and others, those who found Abul-Hasan guilty with that which made him fall, and what renders him disparaged. And then [they use] what a-Abbaad replied to them with, then what are their proofs, and they say that we are people of evidences, and we do not blindly follow, so how can they hide now behind al-Abbaad, al-Abbaad spoke with what is apparent to him and those other than him from the scholars, sometimes they commend a person without knowing his reality, however the truth and proof is with the one knows, who knows the reality of those who are disparaged."

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The point is, that these people, one of the most extreme distorted opinions they hold is : The one who differs with the beloved masheikh of this dawa, if he propogates his views ( though he has other scholars supporting that view) is deemed a heritic,from ahlul biddah and to be warned against. But if he did not propogate it then they would remain silent over him. in a nut shell - "there aint no differing allowed with their scholars"