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The Shaikh says that Shaikh Abdul-Muhsin erred in what he did in writing this book and that those who now use this book are people of innovation who desire tribulations. The Shaikh also praised two replies made upon this book, one of them by Shaikh Fawzee al-Atharee and one by a Yemeni Shaikh who was a student of Shaikh Muqbil.

If any of the hizbees wish to quote anything from here, let them quote the words of Shaikh an-Najmee directly and not attribute it to me (or even to Salafitalk). This is a habit of the hizbees, that when you bring the saying of the Scholar they start saying "they" are now saying and "Salafitalk" is now saying. Please reference this speech directly to Shaikh Ahmad an-Najmee, may Allaah reward you!

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Shaikh Ahmad an-Najmee On Those Who Spread and Use the Book of Shaikh Abdul-Muhsin Against Ahl us-Sunnah

QUESTION: Assalaamu Alaikum
SHAIKH: Wa Alaikum as Salaam
QUESTION: Our Shaikh, I have a question, if some of your time can be taken?
SHAIKH: Yes
QUESTION: Our Shaikh, may Allaah preserve you, perhaps it is not hidden to you that Shaikh Abdul-Muhsin al-Abbaad , may Allaah preserve him, has written a risaalah with the title, "Rifqan Ahl us-Sunnah bi Ahl is-Sunnah", and now in Algeria, we have the fitnah of the followers of al-Eed as-Shareefee, and the followers of Abil-Hasan, they spread this book and the Mumayyi'een and Ahl ul-Ahwaa, are distributing it with a very great distribution. I have read a chapter within this book and this is what they really revolve around, the saying of the Shaikh, "The fitnah of Tajreeh (making jarh) and hajr (boycotting)",  perhaps you have read the risaalah O Shaikh?
SHAIKH: What is important is that someone has refuted this risaalah, a Yemeni from the students of Shaikh Muqbil has refuted it with an very good reply, and Fawzee al-Atharee al-Bahraini has also refuted it, with a good reply, and Alhamdulillah, Ahl us-Sunnah rejected this.
QUESTION: Fine, O Shaikh, and what about the one who spreads this (book)?
SHAIKH: [interjecting], The one who spreads this, this indicates that he is an Innovator, who desires tribulations.
QUESTION: What do you hold O Shaikh, do we warn from the one who does this action?
SHAIKH: Warn from him, warn from him.
QUESTION: May Allaah reward you with good.

Written by your brother, Abu Muhammad al-Eed Adoonah al-Jazaa'iree.


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Alhamdulillaah, once again the Scholars of Ahl us-Sunnah clarify the truth and give baseerah where it is needed. This is timely information.

The book of Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin al-Abbaad, if we isolate it from the context surrounding it, is a very good book and from which all Salafees who are clear in their manhaj will find great benefit - especially in knowing how to deal with each other. This applies to the clear Salafees, and does not include the false claimants like the followers of Safar and Salman, Ar'oor, al-Maghraawee and al-Ma?ribee.

There are a few issues in the book which have been replied to by some of the people of knowledge such as the generalisations about jarh, hajr, issues of cooperation with the opposers and hizbiyyeen that have been made in that book, and also the issues of the major scholars who passed away and whether they would refute the opposer or not. Those issues were left general by the Shaykh because he sees al-Ma?ribee to be within Ahl us Sunnah and this fitnah to be "between" Ahl us-Sunnah when the reality is otherwise, as at least 30 other Scholars have explained with detailed evidences that this is an Ikhwaanee fitnah imported from outside. Because this is how the Shaykh sees the matter the way he does, he is addressing  those whom he considers Salafees in his view, all within Ahl us-Sunnah. But this is a matter proven incorrect by the evidence from other scholars, because the followers and staunch adherents of al-Ma?ribee are Ikhwanees on the Ikhwanee manhaj. This is why the Shaykh raised and dealt with issues in a generalised way without tafseel. Thus, based upon this he kept away from tafseel in these matters because his book is not meant for the relationship between Salafees and the Innovators, but between the Salafees (as he sees it) - again this is erroneous as it relates to the fitnah of al-Ma'ribee, an Ikhwaanee Innovator. The generalisations made are such that within the current context and climate, they are out of place.

This has subsequently allowed the Innovators and people of desires to spread tribulations by way of the Shaykh's book, due to the surrounding context in which it was written, and for which Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee stated that he erred in this particular action of his in writing this book.

Otherwise, it is known that Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin himself has warned and refuted those whom he considered to be upon corrupt methodologies, such as Safar and Salman and Adnaan Ar?oor and Hasan al-Maalikee.

And therefore in this manner, we have husn udh-dhann of the Shaykh in what he has done, whilst being wary of the mistake. And by thinking in this way, we have freed ourselves of any deceit and misrepresentation of the true and real situation. This does not apply to the Innovators and Hizbiyyeen who are using this book now, because their activities and fervor, and zeal at this moment in tim is itself based upon deceit and misrepresentation of the true realities, as they are. The fraud in their actions is apparent to every Salafee walhamdulillaah.

The way Salafees should view this book and those who spread it is as follows:

1. The book contains excellent admonitions in general about certain affairs and characteristics and lays down excellent guidelines for dealings between the clear Salafees. The Shaykh has brought together tremendous statements from the Book of Allaah, the Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) and the Salaf.

2. The book discusses certain topics such as hajr, tabdee', jarh, ta'aawun, akhtaa (errors) all of which are left general and ambiguous, with no tafseel and are tied in reality to the Shaykh's viewpoint on the fitnah of al-Ma'ribee. These issues were raised by the Shaykh in the context of the fitnah of al-Ma'ribee in which he holds an erroneous viewpoint. The Shaykh is rewarded nevertheless, but we do not take from the errors of the scholars not matter how great their rank. This is from the distinguishing features of the usool of the Salafi manhaj. The truth is with around 30 other Shaykhs from Ahl us-Sunnah. Included within them are three senior Shaykhs who are older than Shaykh Abdul-Mushin, and some of whom are more knowledgeable of the ways of the Hizbees and Innovators than the Shaykh. Every scholar has his own speciality and excellencies in certain areas, and we have to be mature in this regard, and not be like the children who just want to strike this scholar against that with slogans such as "he is older", "he has more knowledge" and so on, which don't really address the actual underlying reasons that explain why  a different view is held in the first place, and which don't really get to the crux of the matter which is the overwhelming established evidence against al-Ma'ribee. This immaturity is found amongst the followers of al-Ma'ribee specifically and especially the really deceitful ones that are now appearing who are pretending to be "confused" and are claiming to be on the path to searching the truth. We know these people and also their games they are playing and maybe we will address their doubts in a separate post inshaa'Allaah. And note also the difference between the Salafees who when they say they do not take the erroneous ijtihaads of Scholars, are able to demonstrate that it is erroneous by bringing tangible hard evidence to show that it is to be considered and erroneous ijtihaad. This is a universe apart from the cheap, hollow slogans of the followers of desires who say "you make taqleed of Shaykh Rabee" etc. all of which is totally baseless and is in reality a slogan fabricated to aid falsehood and confuse the people. So note the clear difference between when the Salafees do not take the position held by Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin (because of absence of evidence to reject the Jarh Mufassar) and between the Innovators who claim Shaykh Rabee has erred and that taqleed is not to be made of him (which is a trick to reject the actual evidence that is so firmly established).

So these generalisations in this book can be taken in two different ways:

a) Benefit can be derived for them by clear Salafees who should realise the danger of falling into these matters towards their clear Salafee brothers who make genuine mistakes and do not persist upon them.So the general idea of warning from hasty tabdee', hajr and so on is appropriate here, as it relates to clear Salafees who are upon a clear aqeedah, a clear manhaj, a clear dawah and hold clear Salafee positions and build their loyalties around all of this. So if they err and make genuine mistakes from which they are quick to recant, then the above matters should be avoided. Again this does not include the Innovators and Hizbees who have been warned against for their corrupt methodologies and this includes al-Ma?ribee, his followers and the Tamyee?ees in general who are the latest fitnah to strike Ahl us-Sunnah from within, those who outwardly agreed with the scholars on al-Ma?ribee for fear of being exposed but inside they are on the same corrupt walaa and baraa they were upon previously. Pockets of these types of people are found in every land.

b) Clarification should be made upon these generalisations so that the Innovators and Ahl ul-Ahwaa can not cause confusion amongst the Salafees, and this is what has been done by Shaykh Fawzee and some of the people of knowledge have praised his book, and likewise one of the Yemeni Shaykhs who replied to some of the contents of the book.

These generalisations have been jumped upon by all the Hizbiyyeen in all their forms, which is why you see that there is a great deal of nashaat (fervor, zeal) on behalf of certain factions to spread and distribute this book.

3. That this book is spread by two categories of people both having their own agendas. a) Those of previous fitnahs like Safar and Salman, Ar?oor, Turath, Maghraawee and al-Ma?ribee, and this includes outright takfeerees and khawaarij (even the followers of al-Ma?ribee admit that this is the case) and b) Those who are inwardly upon hatred of the clear Salafees, and are still corrupt in their walaa and baraa but who are now only making attachment to the Salafee scholars and holding a correct position on al-Ma'ribee so they can once more build their platforms of dawah by gaining peoples trust, only to later to attack the Salafees that they still secretly hate.

4. That if the Salafees want to benefit from the contents of this book to the degree that it can be benefited from, and that if they do read it, they must refer to the replies written upon this book that clarify the generalisations concerning hajr, ta'aawun, jarh, radd 'alal mukhaalif, and whether Ibn Baz and Ibn Uthaymeen did or did not refute the opposers in their time, such as Abdur-Rahmaan Abdul-Khaaliq, Safar and Salmaan, and Adnaan Ar'oor and so on. And this is the ni'mah upon every Salafee, who due to his unique and distinct manhaj, benefits from the truth whoever it comes from in all circumstances, from the old or the young, the male or the female, as opposed to the Hizbiyyeen who because of their desires and seeking of crooked ways, are only led further astray when matters like these descend upon them, and thus you see them that when the Salafees are actively involved in clarifying the manhaj these people keep quite and do not support them (resounding with slogans of harshness, and severity etc.) but as soon as some leeway is given to all the people of Hizbiyyah on account of erroneous ijtihaads made by some from Ahl us-Sunnah, you see these very same people coming out of the woodwork and very eager to spread and propagate doubts.

Inshaa'allaah maybe this will clarify the way that Salafees should view this matter. And again, the Hizbiyyeen have been exposed by the speech of Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee! Jazaahullaahu khayran


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Jazaak Allaah Khayran. A very beneficial clarification indeed.

It never ceases to amaze me how these affaakoon have no shame in deceptively using the generalized statements of those Mashaayikh who are clearly opponents of their taaghootee manhaj - the goal of all this being to destroy the Sunnah and replace it with their dalaal.

This same syndrome applied to Shaykh Ibn Fawzaan was also common awhile back. However, when numerous clarifications rained down upon their lying, sinning skulls (such as the book "al-Ajwibat ul-Mufeedah"), they were exposed in such a way that no amount of fabrication could save them.

I ask Allaah to give these people of nifaaq and hawaa a similar fate as it relates to the newly-arisen situation of Shaykh 'Abdul-Muhsin.

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بسم الله الرحمان الرحيم


Just to give the brothers an idea of the benefit of shaikh Fawzee's reply then he starts it off with an excellent question put to his shaikh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-Uthaymeen رحمه الله تعالى when he was asked about the qaa?idah from the qawaa'id(Adnaan Ar'oor) that it is from justice when giving advice and warning from Bid'ah and its people that you mention their good while mentioning their evil?  

The shaikh answers; I say No No No..  This is wrong.

The questioner asks following along with this qaa'idah; He says (Adnaan Ar'oor) When you mention the good of ahlus Sunnah you should mention their bad along with their good.

The shaikh answers; Listen O man, Listen O man! When refuting it is not good that I mention the good of a man, if I mention the good of a man when I am refuting him my refutation of him will be weak.

Questioner: Even if he is from Ahuls Sunnah?

The shaikh answers: From ahlus Sunnah or other than ahlus Sunnah, How can I refute him and the praise Him?! Does this make sense?!!!


أبو سلمان النمري طلحة بن وليم

والعصر ان الانسان لفي خسر الا الذين آمنواو عملوا الصالحات و تواصوا بالحق و تواصوا بالصبر

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Shaykh Ubayd al-Jaabiree on this matter, this was posted today:

http://www.sahab.net/sahab/showthread.php?s=02ea8dbfe337f6fc77dafca3f184bb59&threadid=295142

Inshaa'Allaah if we have time we will translate it, unless anyone else can do it.

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This is what is in the tape of Shaykh Ubayd (it is probably just a day or two old), the translation below is more or less a word for word translation, which has been done quickly, you can access the audio directly from the link above:


I have not read the book of Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin.

I know from experience that Ahl ul-Ahwaa take whatever chance they can from some of the affairs that arise from some of Ahl us-Sunnah, then they twist it for their own benefits whereas it is not really of benefit to them.

Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin, according to the title that I have come to know, is actually advising Ahl us-Sunnah in relation to Ahl us-Sunnah. And this is a matter that is agreed upon by all of the Shaykhs that we have known, and we are upon this as well.

However we need to know who are Ahl us-Sunnah, not everyone who claims the Sunnah is actually from it.[note: such as the hizbees who are now using this book for their own agendas!]

Secondly, Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin and others, when he comes to know of a person of innovation he will show rejection upon him and his innovation [note: like he did with Safar and Salman, Ar'oor, Hasan Maalikee etc!]

Thirdly, this is a rule, the one who knows is a proof against the one who does not know, so those who spoke of Abul-Hasan spoke with evidences, proofs so clear, like the apparentness of the sun in the daytime, and they criticised his speech and actions, so those who made jarh upon him and established the evidences against him, then we have to take this from them otherwise we are people of desires. And that Scholar who has not seen what the others have seen, then we do not follow that Scholar who was ignorant of the condition of of the one who was disparaged.

Then the Shaykh gives some examples:

1. Example of Shaafi'ee's ta'deel for Ibraaheem ibn Muhammad ibn Abee Yahyaa, but scholars made Jarh upon him and said he is not thiqah. So the tawtheeq of Shaafi'ee was not accepted and nor did this tawtheeq help the one who was declared thiqah by him [note: just like Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin's speech for Abul-Hasan does not benefit him in anyway, for he remains a straying deceiving lying Ikhwaanee Innovator!].
2. Example of Safar and Salman, when we (the Shaykhs of Madinah) would criticise them with proof, but Shaykh Ibn Baz and Shaykh Ibn uthaymeen and others from the Major Scholars did not say anything about them. But after 4 years, the declaration came from the Hay'ah convicting them (of errors) and advising that they be restrained.
3. Example of Shaykh al-Albaanee used to praise Safar and Salman, give them tazkiyah and so on, but after 6 or 7 years, he spoke against them, and he admitted that "we had been hasty and the people of Madinah were more knowledgeable of the people".

Then the Shaykh said, "distribute this discussion".

Then after being asked about those who spread this book the Shaykh said, "This person is a person of fitnah, either a person of fitnah or one who does not know (the situation)..." Then the Shaykh added to this, "...especially when such a person spreads it amongst the general people (at large), the likes of me (i.e. the Shaykh) and you (i.e. students of knowledge), from those people who understand could read the book, but as for one who spreads it by the hundreds, to the general and specific people, in accordance with what I have said, then this is either one who is heedless (does not know) or is a person of fitnah (saahibu fitnah)." End.



Alhamdulillaah another blow upon the lying sinful deceitful forelocks, and more support for Ahl us-Sunnah and the Salafee manhaj from one of its Noble Shaykhs!

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Indeed I ask Allaah to preserve and reward the Shaykh Al-Kabeer Ahmed An-Najmee, Shaykh Fawzee, and the others who have placed these affairs in their proper perspective and are persistent in closing the door in the face of the Mukhaalifeen and restricting them from spreading confusion.  فلا بد من التشريد بهم

I would also like to thank SPUBS for their continuous hard work in translating and clarifying these affairs for the Salafees of the west.

Indeed you brothers have done outstanding work over the years and have aided and defended this blessed manhaj for those who do not yet speak or comprehend Arabic.  May Allaah place this on your scales of good deeds.

An excellent point amongst many has been made and should be understood and that is:

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These issues were raised by the Shaykh in the context of the fitnah of al-Ma'ribee in which he holds an erroneous viewpoint. The Shaykh is rewarded nevertheless, but we do not take from the errors of the scholars not matter how great their rank. This is from the distinguishing features of the usool of the Salafi manhaj


If an individual errs then we clarify his error irregardless of who he is.  And we do not fear the rebuke of the rebukers in that regard!

Indeed Imaam Ahmed was a man who would refute those who were known for their nobility and knowledge if it was found that they opposed the Sunnah.  

Ibnul Jawzi says concerning Imaam Ahmed:

"certainly Imaam Ahmed due to his severe clinging to the sunnah and his prohibiton of bid?ah spoke against a group from amongst the noble ones (from Ahlus Sunnah) if there came from them that which was in opposition to the sunnah and those statements of his are held as naseehah to the religion" (Manaqib Al-Imaam Ahmed)

He (rahimahullaah) would refute those KNOWN for pocessing knowledge and virtue if they fell into error.  Likewise we see the scholars of the past refuting their closest relatives if they were known to fall into error.

Zayd ibn Abee Aneesah said: "Do not take from my brother - Yahyaa ibn Ibee Aneesah - for verily he is a LIAR"

Alee ibn Al-Madeeni was asked about his father, Abdullaah ibn Ja'far ibn Najeeh, he said, "Ask someone other than me" So they said, "We have asked you", he then put his head down then raised it and said, "This is the deen.  My father is a weak"

Such is the case of our Ulamaa past and present.  

We ask Allaah to keep us firm upon this manhaj and to protect us from the cloudiness of those who oppose it.

And indeed Allaah is the Most High and knows best

Aboo Abdillaah Umar Bryant

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Baarakallaahu feeka, Akh Umar.

Here is the full transcript that hsa just been posted by someone on Sahab. Inshaa'Allaah we will try to update the rough translation made above to give a full and accurate text copy.

بيان الشيخ عبيد الجابري في كتاب(رفقا أهل السنة بأهل السنة )

السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته... هذه كلام الشيخ عبيد الجابري حول كتاب الشيخ عبدالمحسن العباد الذي أراد به الحزبيون أن يتنصروا به في دعاويهمم الباطلة.

السائل: ينشر عندنا بعض المتأثرين بالمأربي كتاب ورسالة للشيخ عبدالمحسن العباد وتحتوي الرسالة (أن الشيخ ربيع عالم فاضل ولاكنه أنشغل في الفترة الآخيرة بأمور ما كان يمبغي له أن ينشغل بها وتفرغ الشباب بهذه الأمور)فهل هذه صحيح.وما ردكم على من يوزع هذه الرسالة علما بأن هؤلاءالشباب هداهم الله إشتد عضدهم بالكتاب والرسالة وكأنه أتاهم الفرج بل كأن الغلبة لهم؟

بسم الله والحمد لله وصلى الله وسلم على نبينا محمد وعلى اله وصحبه ومن واله أنا لم أقرأ كتاب الشيخ عبدالمحسن ولكن أعلم بل علمت بالتجربة أن أهل الأهواء ينتهزون فرصة سانحة لبعض ما يصدر للمشائخ أهل السنة فيؤولونه لصالحهم وان لم يكن في صالحهم فالشيخ عبدالمحسن حسب العنوان الذي أطلعت عليه يوصي أهل السنة ببعضهم أقول يوصي أهل السنة ببعضهم وهذا أمر متفق عليه كل من أدركنا من علمائنا ومشائخنا ومنهم الشيخ عبدالمحسن حفظه الله هذه وصيته لنا ونحن إن شاء الله عليها لكن.
أولا : نقول من هم أهل السنة فليس كل من أدعى السنة هو من أهل السنة .
ثانياً : الشيخ عبدالمحسن وغيره من مشائخنا وعلمائنا إذا علموا صاحب بدعه لا يقرونه على بدعته ولهم مواقف صارمة من أهل الأهواء .
والأمر الثالث : أقول من علم هذه قاعدة يا ابني محمد حجه على من لم يعلم فمن تكلم في أبي الحسن تكلم بناء على أدلة وبينات واضحة مثل الشمس في رابعة النهار وصريح في نقد أقواله وأعماله هذه القاعدة فمن جرح أبا الحسن أو غيره بدليل وأقام الدليل على جرحه فالواجب عليه التسليم له وآلا كنا أصحاب أهواء وذلك العالم الذي لم يقف على ما وقف عليه الجارحون هذا لا يضره ولكن نحن لا نتابع ذلك العالم وأنا أتكلم بصفة عامة لا نتابع ذلك العالم الذي جهل حال المجروح والأمثلة كثيرة جداً فمن أمثلة القدامى كان الشافعي رحمه الله يوثق إبراهيم بن محمد بن أبي يحيى ويزكيه ولكن العلماء من قبل الشافعي ومن بعده وقفوا على جرح للرجل وانه ليس بثقة كما يقول الشافعي فتوثيق الشافعي هذا لإبراهيم ابن أبي يحيى هذا لم ينفعه ولم يضر الشافعي أهل العلم المحققون على جرح الجارحين وخذ مثال آخر من الأمثلة المعاصرة فنحن وغيرنا نرد على سفر وسلمان وغيره من أساطيل فقه الواقع وننقذ أقوالهم ونكشف عوارها ونبين انحرافها بالدليل وسماحة الوالد الإمام الأثري العلامة الفقيه المجتهد الشيخ عبدالعزيزبن باز رحمه الله وسماحة الإمام العلامة الفقيه المحقق المدقق المجتهد الشيخ محمد بن عبدالعزيز رحمه الله وغيره من مشائخنا هيئة كبار العلماء لم يتكلموا بشيء بعد نحو اربع سنوات او خمس سنوات او ما يقارب هذا صدر قرار من هيئة كبار العلماء بإدانة القوم قرار خول لولي الأمر إيقافهم لأنهم وقفوا على أخطائهم وتجاوزاتهم ومثال آخر خذه أيضا الإمام محدث العصر الشيخ الألباني رحمه كان يثني على سفر سلمان و وغيرهما ويزكيهم هما وغيرهما لكن بعد حوالي ست سنوات او سبع تبين له ما كان خافياً عليه من قبل فقال قبل موته بسنه يظهر إن نحن تعجلنا وان أهل المدينة هم أحرى بالقول فهمت بارك الله فيك انشر هذه المكالمة على شباب الإمارات وبلغهم مني السلام من قبل كان ومن لم يقبل ماذا نصنع به .

ما نصيحتكم لمن ينشر الكتاب ؟

والله هذا صاحب فتنه إما صاحب فتنه او لا يدرك يعني مبتلى أما بالفتنة او بعدم الإدراك خصوصاً إذا نشره على عامة الناس لكن قد يعطي الكتاب مثلي ومثلك من أناس مدركين فهذا شيء لا بأس به لكن كونه يوزع بالمئات يفرق هكذا للخاصة والعامة مع مثل ما ذكرت في الكلام هذا أما مغفل أو صاحب فتنه.

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assalamu 'alaikum,

Alhamdulillaah during the fitnah of Abul Hasan al-Misree those who followed the evidence from the scholars who refuted Abul Hasan then their love for sheikh AbdulMuhsin has not decreased at all knowing well that Sheikh AbdulMuhsin is  one of the foremost mashayakh at present but that the love for the evidence with the other 30+ Mashayakh was dearer to them.

However, those who followed Abul Hasan in defending his errors have shown hatred for the likes of one of the foremost scholars, Sheikh Rabee' ibn Haadi al Madkhalee. Such that they caused a big problem in Manchester when the sheikh had a talk there. These mobs tried to dismantle the microphone system delaying the sheikhs talk for many hours.

I remember sheikh Muhammad Bazmool said regarding those who still say Abul Hasan is from ahlu Sunnah then he said to them you have agreed that he has innovated principles so when who is persistent upon his innovated principles and errors in statements regarding the sahaba (refer to marahil Abil Hasan by Sheikh Rabee') after being advised THEN WHAT DOES HE EVENTUALLY BECOME??? This statement by sheikh Muhammad Bazmool is very important indeed.


قال تعالى:{إنا نحن نزلنا الذكر وإنا له لحافظون}
قال الشيخ السعدي - رحمه الله - في تفسيره (3/31): " فلا يحرف محرف معنى من معانيه( القرآن ) إلا وقيض  الله له من يبين الحق المبين وهذا من أعظم آيات الله ونعمه على عباده المؤمنين".

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Audio of Sheik Ubaid Al Jaabiree


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Shaykh Rabee' on the Risaalah of Shaykh al-Abbaad


Questioner: What is your saying about the one who spreads the latest risaalah of Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin al-Abbaad?

Shaykh Rabee: [interjecting]... fine, this, may Allaah bless you, does not harm me, and the praise which he stated, the praise and commendation which the Shaykh said, why don't they give that any consideration, meaning al-Abbaad said this speech. All of the Scholars declare me to be correct [i.e. in convicting al-Ma'ribee with Innovation and Misguidance], so what is the benefit to them in this speech (of al-Abbaad). And [is] defending the truth a blameworthy matter? So where are your intellects, they belittle their own intellects, and they play about with them, in this manner. A single Scholar is opposed by tens of Scholars, and he says the likes of this speech. The truth is with whom [then]? Then, the book (in question) in its generality is naseehah (advice), and the observations that are in it, are actually against them [in truth], they are the ones who reviled the Scholars, and who made jarh using falsehood and wickedness (kadhib and fujoor). If the Salafiyyoon are the people of fitan, they would have explained his speech and spread it against them, but they are not the people of fitan.

Questioner: What is your reply to the one who spreads this risaalah?

Shaykh Rabee: Say to them spread this against yourselves, say, "By Allaah, we are liars and we fabricate (lies) upon the Ulamaa, and Shaykh al-Albaanee and Shaykh al-Abbaad convict us of this wickedness". [What the  Shaykh means is that they should be told to spread this speech as a refutation upon themselves who are guilty of the very thing that Shaykh al-Abbaad is speaking about, and admit that they are liars and fabricators]


Recorded on 11/5/1424H.

Source: http://www.sahab.net/sahab/showthread.php?s=4c65b67665114a4c74d7ab81feadf57f&threadid=295193

Zipped file of audio is attached below.

And as an illustration of the point that Shaykh Rabee is making, then let us take the example of Abu Usaamah adh-Dhahabee. When the Salafees referred his matter to the Scholars, when they saw him propagating the Ikhwaanee principles of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee and when the Scholars spoke about him, then in his replies to his opposers from the Salafee du'aat how did he respond?

Abul-Hasan Haalik!! (Abul-Hasan Maalik)
Abul-Fitan Haalik!! (Abul-Hasan Maalik)
Dawood Ajeeb!! (Dawud Adeeb)
Maad Qureshi! (Maaz Qureshi)
Fraud!! (Troid)
Salafiyyah Jadeedah!
Ghullaat!!
Under-Qualified, Diseased Nawaabit!!

Then this individual followed his master, al-Ma'ribee in defaming the manhaj of Shaykh Rabee, by reviving the insults made by Abdur-Razzaaq ash-Shayijee ad-Demoqraatee 6 or 7 years ago, attempting by that to accuse Shaykh Rabee' of Haddaadiyyah, and Tabdee' upon other than the Sharee'ah principles, and spreading "baatil principles" and so on. Know that his real intent was the manhaj of Shaykh Rabee, but the du'aat mentioned above were merely a cloak and a cover towards that end, he attacked them, but in reality his attack was upon the manhaj of Shaykh Rabee.

So in reality, the answer Shaykh Rabee' has given is extremely appropriate. They are guilty of what Shaykh al-Abbaad has spoken about, but it is really hypocrisy on their behalf to act "pious" and "cute". Yes, we readily admit (as we explained in our lengthy reply to Abu Usaamah: http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=14&Topic=1153 ) that mistakes and errors in judgement do occur from Salafees from time to time in dealing with matters and that these affairs return back to individuals their characters and so on, but this cannot be said about them as a whole, and their manhaj as a whole. So the Salafees do not pretend about a situation. But as for the new sect of Ikhwaanee Tamyee'ees brought about by Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee, then they are as Shaykh Rabee' said about them, "people of broad and wide claims and beautified slogans" (of justice, and verification, and moderation, and clemency, mercy) but they are the greatest of opposers to these slogans.

The Salafees, being concerned for the Salafee manhaj took the condition of this man and his actions and behaviour to the Scholars. The same was done regarding Abdul-Qadir al-Ma'ribee. So they were spoken against. But what did they do in reply? They went on a vendetta. It had nothing to do with manhaj. They were ruined because of following an Innovator, and defending his innovations, so they tried to ruin others, when they saw that they fell in the eyes of the people. They came out with attacks and verbal abuses - as a means of exonerating themselves.

Then when this risaalah of Shaykh al-Abbaad came about, then again, being truthful to the mountains of deceit that their manhaj and behaviour is built upon, their likes began to act "pious" and "cute", because once more they found something that they could use to attack Ahl us-Sunnah.
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Shaykh Rabee: Say to them spread this against yourselves, say, "By Allaah, we are liars and we fabricate (lies) upon the Ulamaa, and Shaykh al-Albaanee and Shaykh al-Abbaad convict us of this wickedness".
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To the hizbiyyoon whose only job is to spread mischief and confusion, hoping to create fitnah between the scholars, to those hizbiyyoon who seek to use the advice of Shaykh 'Abdul-Muhsin against the Salafees, as a proof against us, we say with all clarity, upon bayyinah from Ahlul-'Ilm:

SPREAD THIS AGAINST YOURSELVES, SAY, "BY ALLAAH, WE ARE LIARS AND WE FABRICATE (LIES) UPON THE ULAMAA, AND SHAYKH AL-ALBAANEE AND SHAYKH AL-ABBAAD CONVICT US OF THIS WICKEDNESS!"

May Allaah reward the shaykh for putting the people in their rightful places so masterfully!

We also thank Allaah for the efforts of our viligant brothers at SP who translated this important clarification from Shaykh Rabee' and had it here on ST so quickly, as well as the other important clarifications from Ahlul-'Ilm.  May Allaah reward them well!

Moosaa

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سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
أستغفرك وأتوب إليك

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The Hollow Skulls of the Qutbiyyeen, Surooriyyeen, Ikhwaaniyyah, Takfeeriyyah, Harakiyyeen, Hizbiyyeen And Those Upon Manaahij in Opposition to the Manhaj of the Salaf Cracked Open By the Speech of Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin


As we explained above, the Shaykhs book "Rifqan" was written based upon the Shaykhs view that the fitnah of Abul-Hasan is one that is between Ahl us-Sunnah (an incorrect viewpoint), hence, in light of that the Shaykh gave advice regarding how AHl us-Sunnah deal with each other in mistakes that occurr that do not relate to Usool (i.e. aqeedah and manhaj).

All of the kadhdhaaboon, dajjaaloon, affaakoon, the lowly, ignoble and diseased partisans, in all of their various species and their variety of innovatory backgrounds began to use this book to argue their case and their false methodologies and for their figureheads who had long been refuted and exposed by the Scholars of the Salafee Manhaj. This included the Qutbiyyeen, Takfiriyyeen, Harakiyyeen, Surooriyyeen and others [and by extension and in light of the true realities, this includes the Tamyee'ee sect of al-Ma'ribiyyah, a mere protrusion of the Qutbiyyah and Surooriyayh before them]. These people (who did this) all know who they are.

So in the clarification (quoted below, audio included), the Shaykh explains the following points:


1. The Shaykh did read the book "Madaarik an-Nadhar" completely two times over. This book is a refutation of the Khaarijee manhaj of "Safar al-Bannaawee al-Qutbee" and "Salman al-Qutbee al-Bannaawee al-Qaradaawee". So the Shaykh confirms that he has not retracted from the introduction he wrote to that book, praising it and affirming the observations upon these misguided persons of innovation.

2. The book "Rifqan" has no connection at all to those referred to in "Madaarik" (i.e. Safar and Salmaan), their is no connection at all to them.

3. Rather, this book does not refer to al-IKhwaan al-Muslimeen, or those put to trial with Sayyid Qutb and others from the Harakiyyeen, and it does not refer to or concern those who are put to trial with Fiqh ul-Waaqi' and those who revile the Rulers, and likewise those who make the people flee from the Scholars. It does not refer to them neither from near nor from afar (i.e. such people have no basis at all to use this Shaykh's book!).

4. It only concerns Ahl us-Sunnah only! And it is in reference to those who are upon the path of Ahl us-Sunnah but amongst whom some ikhtilaaf occurs.

5. That the book does not relate to those factions who are deviated away from the manhaj of Ahl-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah.

6. The book relates to differences between two people, which then became a basis for splitting and separation for others besides them. [Note, this here is in the context of the Shaykhs view that the issue between Shaykh Rabee and Abul-Hasan al-Ikhwaanee was a personal one, which really forms the basis for much of the content the Shaykh's book. This is an incorrect view held by the Shaykh - however much the noses of the Mumayy'ah may be rubbed and dragged on the floor by this fact! Because 30 or more of the people of knowledge have convicted this criminal of being astray, leading others astray, and author of false principles, Ikhwaanee principles]



Inshaa'allaah more important lessons and points from this a little later! Here is the original link. Sound file attached.

http://www.sahab.net/sahab/showthread.php?s=719f3ed6d99ff384e106b4a551f44ac4&threadid=295243

الحمد لله و الصلاة و السلام على رسول الله أما بعد: فقد حصل هناك لبس في كتاب (رفقا أهل السنة بأهل السنة) و إليكم ما قاله فضيلة الشيخ العلامة / عبد المحسن بن حمد العباد (المؤلف) -حفظه الله-
وذلك في آخر درس في الحرم و كان عن النذور في يوم الثلاثاء الموافق 8/5/1424هـ:

يقول السائل: فضيلة الشيخ وفقك الله , لقد شاع عند بعض الشباب أن الشيخ عبد المحسن العباد تراجع عن تقريظ كتاب مدارك النظر للشيخ عبد المالك و أن دليل تراجعه هو كتابه المطبوع (رفقا أهل السنة بأهل السنة) فما هو الرد على هذا الكلام حفظكم الله ؟؟

أجاب الشيخ عبد المحسن قائلاً:"أولا كتاب مدارك النظر أنا قرأته مرتين يعني أنا سئلت يعني عدة مرات أنني ما قرأت يعني الكتاب كله أو إنما قرأت بعضه أو اطلعت على بعضه و أنا قلت و أقول إنني قرأته مرتين من أوله إلى آخره المرة الأولى قرأته لأن ما طلب مني أن أكتب فيه أكتب شيء عنه فقرأته قراءة يعني الاطلاع على ما فيه من أوله لآخره و لما فرغت و قلت لمؤلفه أني اطلعت عليه و أنه مفيد قال لو كتبت يعني مقدمة له فقلت إذاً أقرأه مرة ثانية فقرأته من أوله إلى آخره و انتقيت منه بعض المواضع التي تكلمت عليها التي تكلمت عليها فإذاً الكتاب قرأته كله من أوله إلى آخره و ما ذكرته يعني أو ما نصيت عليه هذا يعني ذكر لبعض ما فيه ذكر لبعض ما فيه و ليس لكل ما فيه و لم أتراجع عن شيئاً مما كتبته. والكتاب الذي كتبته أ خيراً وهو (رفقاً أهل السنة بأهل السنة) لا علاقة للذين ذكرتهم في مدارك النظر بهذا الكتاب لا علاقة للذين ذكرتهم في مدارك النظر بهذا الكتاب فهذا الكتاب الذي هو (رفقاً أهل السنة بأهل السنة ) لا يعني الإخوان المسلمين و لا يعني المفتونين بسيد قطب و غيره من الحركيين و لا يعني أيضاً المفتونين بفقه الواقع و النيل من الحكام و كذلك التزهيد في العلماء لا يعني هؤلاء لا من قريب و لا من بعيد و إنما يعني أهل السنة فقط وهم الذين على طريقة أهل السنة حيث يحصل بينهم الاختلاف فينشغل بعضهم ببعض تجريحاً و هجراً و ذماً " اهـ

أكمل الشيخ الجواب بعد الأذان فقال: " ذكرت أن هذا الكتاب لا يعني هذه الطوائف و هذه الفرق المنحرفة عن منهج أهل السنة و الجماعة و عن طريقة أهل السنة و الجماعة و إنما يعني من كان من أهل السنة مشتغلاً بغيره من أهل السنة تجريحاً و هجراً و تتبعاً للأخطاء و التحذير بسبب هذه الأخطاء و كذلك إذا حصل خلاف بين شخصين ينقسم أهل السنة إلى قسمين قسم يؤيد هذا و قسم يؤيد هذا ثم يحصل التهاجر و التقاطع بين أهل السنة في كل مكان نتيجة لهذا الاختلاف فإن هذا من أعظم المصائب و من أعظم البلاء يعني حيث يتهاجر أهل السنة و يتقاطعون بسبب خلاف بين شخص و شخص و ما قاله فلان في فلان و ما قاله في فلان و فلان و ما موقفك من فلان و إن وقفت سلمت و إن لم تقف و إن لم يكن لك موقف فإنك تكون مبتدعاً ثم يحصل التهاجر و يبقى أهل السنة إلى هذا الانقسام الخطير هذا هذا هو هذا هو الذي يعنيه هذا الكتاب و من المعلوم أن هذا الكتاب لا يعجب الحركيين لأنهم لأن الحركيين يحبون أن ينشغل أهل السنة بعضهم ببعض حتى يسلموا منهم حتى يسلموا من أهل السنة و ذلك بانشغال بعضهم ببعض و هذا الكتاب يدعو إلى إصلاح ذات البين و أن يرفق أهل السنة بعضهم ببعض و أن يحرص بعضهم على تسديد البعض و هذا هو الذي يعني يريده الكتاب و أما أهل الحركات المناهضة أو المباينة لطريقة أهل السنة فهؤلاء يعجبهم هذا الاختلاف لأنهم إذا انشغل أهل السنة بعضهم ببعض هم سلموا من أهل السنة و صار بأس أهل السنة فيما بينهم و هذا هو الذي يريدونه " اهـ

قال السائل : بالنسبة لمؤلف كتاب مدارك النظر , صلتكم؟

قال الشيخ :" الشيخ عبد الملك يعني صلتي به قوية و أنا يعني أتصل به باستمرار و ليس بيني و بينه شيء و ليس بيني و بينه شيء " اهــ



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More Aid for Ahl us-Sunnah and the Salafee Manhaj, More Skulls Cracked by the Speech of Shaykh Rabee



Question: O Shaykh, there is a matter, some papers that have spread - and they are well known to you - "Rifqan Ahl us-Sunnah Bi Ahl is-Sunnah", and some of the people of fitnah unleash them (upon the people) and spread them free (of charge), and the people of evil use them (for their purposes). So is there any advice to all parties concerned about what relates to these papers, may Allaah protect you??

Shaykh Rabee: Bismillaah, all praise is due to Allaah and Salaat and Salaam be upon Allaah's Messenger, upon his family and his companions and whoever followed his guidance.

To proceed:

Certainly, men do err, and they can be correct, regardless of what level of knowledge and excellence they reach, and this particular risaalah, then I consider it to be naseehah, fundamentally, even if there are some observations upon it. However, the faction that has rejoiced with it, in reality, they are the ones woh are convicted (by it), and they are the oppressive, and the transgressing (faction), and the (faction) originating the tribulations and persisting upon them.

And the other faction - those against whom these papers they are distributing - they are the ones who are wronged, and transgressed against, however those other people are upon the way of the scheming Hizbiyyeen, they turn the affairs around, and they put the objections that are upon them (in reality) upon others.

The reality is that Shaykh al-Abbaad wants to extinguish this fitnah, however they kindled it anew by this behaviour of theirs. It was desirable that they benefit from his observations which are not to be set except upon their heads (i.e. which apply to them), and the objections (against matters) that did not arise except from them, and amongst them is revilement upon the scholars, and trying to make them fall (i.e. to drop them, destroy them), and every time a scholar spoke the truth, by which he would convict oppression and falsehood, they earnestly tried to make him fall, so this is their crime.

As for the Salafees, then they are by Allaah, the protectors and the defenders of the scholars, and their honours. And these books of their, and by the praise of Allaah, are a witness to that, and their cassettes (likewise) and also their positions (that they hold) also are a witness to that. [So this khutbah alone] in which it is mentioned that the youth revile the scholars, the Salafees, their young and their old are free from it, like the freedom of the wolf from the blood of the son of Ya'qoob.

They are the revilers of the scholars, they are the trangressors against the scholars, they are the transgressors against Ahl us-Sunnah, they are the ones who are lied upon, and that which Shaykh al-Abbaad said, is only a small part of a great deal more, so this mere indication (by the Shaykh) should have been sufficient for them, this indication should have been sufficient for them.

The Shaykh al-Abbaad does not believe about Rabee and whoever is with him that they revile the scholars, neither the old amongst them or the young, he does not believe that about them, but - Allaah knows best - this is just an indication by him to those oppressive, perishing hizbiyyeen, an indication to them that they benefit.

Make the people understand that they are the ones who revile the scholars, and they are the ones who began with oppression. And most of the people with them know these realities, so increase them in insight by this, and nullify their scheme and their plot, because this is from the plots of the Hizbiyyeen. And Shaykh Ibn Baaz (rahimahullaah) issued a naseehah to the youth, a general advice, so the hizbiyyoon rushed to explain it upon other than what Shaykh Ibn Baaz  (rahimahullaah) intended. Then a decisive blow was directed at them and the suspicions against the people of Madinah (i.e the scholars such as Shaykh Rabee) were negated, and he praised them and extolled them and he also reviled those oppressive hizbiyyeen who had turned the truth into falsehood and falsehood into truth. He praised the people of Madinah with goodness, then he said about those people that they explained his bayaan with lies, treachery, confusion and deception, he said, "As for the du'aat of baatil, and those who stir the murky waters, they are the ones who spread confusion upon the people, and say that the intent by the speech was this and that..."

And now I request from Shaykh al-Abbaad that he strikes those people with a strike similar to that made by Shaykh Ibn Baaz, and that he explains that the people of Madinah that they are Ahl us-Sunnah, and likewise their brothers in Yemen. And as for those, that they are du'aat of baatil, and those who stir the murky waters, and by Allaah, they have stirred the murky waters after their lengthy extended da'wah to baatil, the da'wah that was founded upon and also founds baatil (itself), the one that was raised upon false principles the aim of which was to destroy the Salafee manhaj and to harm its people..

And I remind al-Abbaad that those are the ones who began with a war and with tribulations, and they began with lies, oppression and transgression, and they did not cease after that. Then they are only directing these vile actions (once more) by distributing this book, as if it is for them, and as if al-Abbaad did not write this book except to aid them, and they forget what they committed of humiliating (deeds) and oppression and transgression... may Allaah bless you.

So explain to the people that this book in its reality is against them, if Allaah wills, irrespective of whether Shaykh al-Abbaad actually intended this or not, and I hope that he did intend this, that it is against them because they are the ones who transgress against the foundations of the Salafee manhaj, and upon its Shaykhs. They are the ones who came with destructive, corrupt, stagnant principles in order to shelter the Ahl ul-Bida' wad-Dalaal, adn they committed whatever they committed of things that I and others have explained.

And this short glance (at this matter) should be sufficient, so distribute it so that the people may gain insight, and corroborate it by looking at what you find in it of revilements which do not apply except to them, such as al-jarh wat-ta'deel with baatil, and revilement upon the scholars, and with that which is worse than tabdee such as accusing the people of "ghuthaa'iyyah" and that they are "the lowliest of people", and that they are "shrimps (i.e. low, insignificant people)" and the essence of what they say in these (Internet) sites. Explain this matter to the people may Allaah bless you, Allaah will nullify their plot and their scheme, and distribute this cassette in every place, may Allaah grant you success in what He loves and is pleased with.


Audio files can be found at the link:

http://www.sahab.net/sahab/showthread.php?s=&postid=340627
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Shaykh Saalih as-Suhaymee Exposes the Stirrers of Murky Waters and Cracks a Few More Ma'ribian Skulls



Questioner: Our Shaykh, may Allaah preserve you, with all frankness, a risaalah has come out with the title, "Rifqan Ahl us-Sunnah bi Ahl is-Sunnah), and many of the followers of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee and the followers of al-Eed Shareefee al-Jazaa'iree are distributing it. And I have read a chapter from it called "the fitnah of at-tajreeh and al-hajr", so by Allaah we do not know how, so what is your direction (to us)?

Shaykh Saalih as-Suhaymee: This (risaalah) is not to be treated the way those desire it, the Shaykh desires something and they desire (other) false things. I say the Shaykh desires something but they desire false things, those followers of Abul-Hasan or other than them who stirr in the murky waters, they always distort the speech and texts of the scholars, just as they said concerning the bayaan of Shaykh Ibn Baaz before how many years, that it was in reference to the people of Madinah, yet it was a general naseehah to the du'aat and nothing more or less than that. However, the Shaykh himself, his refutation upon them was that he said, "That those, they stirr the murky waters". Shaykh Ibn baaz, so we ask Allaah that he grants success to Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin to issue a bayaan which falsifies the claims of those.

Questioner: And how O Shaykh do we behave with those who spread (this) and say that this is a refutation upon Shaykh Rabee and Shaykh Faalih and who reviles the scholars who spoke against Abul-Hasan...

Shaykh Saalih as-Suhaymee: Say to them "You lie", Say to them, "You lie", the Shaykh does not desire this, the Shaykh desires a general naseehah, and you are distorting the speech from its proper places.

Questioner: Meaning, and spreading the likes of this risaalah, what do you see concerning it?

Shaykh Saalih as-Suhaymee: By Allaah, if there is harm in its distribution, then do not distribute it.

Questioner: May Allaah reward you O Shaykh.

Shaykh Saalih as-Suhaymee: Hayyaak Allaah.

Questioner: May Allaah be benevolent to you.


Written by Abu Muhammad al-Eed al-Adoonah al-Jazaa'iree.

Original link: http://www.sahab.net/sahab/showthread.php?s=297e011c75afb8a006997313b9585084&threadid=295358

Audio file: Can be found at the above link.

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This is the title and chapter headings of the book, "Ahl us-Sunnah Arfaqu wa Arhamu Bi Ahlil-Bida'..." written as a clarification of the chapter in the book by Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin which might cause some ambiguity regarding the difference between the erroneous ijtihaad of a scholar which is pardoned, and between the innovator who persists upon his innovation after being advised, cautioned, and refuted (seeing that the Shaykh wrote the book in the context of the fitnah of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee).

As you will gather, the author has clarified numerous separate issues such as:

a) Sticking to the way of the Salaf and not speaking except with what they spoke with

b) The obligation of jarh upon the Innovators and Deviants and the permissibility of mentioning their names

c) Harshness against Ahl ul-Bida'

d) Imtihaan (testing) for the Sunnah and the Imtihaan that is blameworthy

e) How to treat the error of a Mujtahid (when he is qualified, and makes ijtihaad in matters that are permissible for ijtihaad) and distinguishing between that and the error of one who is not Mujtahid (or makes ijtihaad in matters in which ijtihaad has no place)

f) The usool (foundations) of tabdee'

So from this, and this separation of all these separate issues, some clarity will be gained. This is the book that was praised by Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee.

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Ahl Us-Sunnah Are More Gentle, More Merciful With Ahl Ul-Bida' Than They Are To Their Own Selves [By Way Of The Manhaj Of Criticism, Disparagement, Advice And Defence Of The Deen]

بقلم أبي مصعب علي بن ناصر بن محمد العــــدني


المقدمة
Introduction

نعــمة العــلم
The Blessing Of Knowledge


فصل في أن السلامة في الدين انتحال مذهب السلف والوقوف حيثما وقفوا وأن لا تقول ولا تنطق إلا بما تعلم من الكتاب و السنة وأحوال السلف.
Chapter: Safety In The Religion Lies In Following The Madhhab Of The Salaf And Stopping Where They Stopped And That You Do Not Say Or Speak Except What You Know To Be From The Book And The Sunnah And The Ways Of The Salaf

فصل وجوب التجريح و التحذير ممن حصل منهم شيء من الأخطاء صغرت أم كبرت حفظا للشريعة وذباً عنها وجواز ذكر أسمائهم عند نقدهم مع بيان أن السؤال عن الأشخاص وأحوالهم من مذهب السلف
Chapter: The Obligation Of Disparaging And Warning From The One From Whom Errors Occurred Be They Small Or Large, To Preserve The Sharee'ah, And To Defend It, And The Permissibility Of Mentioning Their Names When Criticising Them And Also Explanation Of The Fact That Asking About Individuals And Their States Is From The Madhhab Of The Salaf

فصل  في التحذير من أهل البدع بأعيانهم
Chapter: On Warning From Ahl Ul-Bida' Specifically By Name

فصل في أن الشدة على أهل البدع منقبة وليست مذمّة
Chapter: Harshness Upon Ahl Ul-Bida' Is Praiseworthy, Not Blameworthy

فصل في ما ورد عن السلف في الامتحان بالأشخاص
Concerning What Has Been Narrated From The Salaf Concerning Imtihaan (Testing) By Way Of Individuals

فصل في موقف أهل السنة من العالم المجتهد إذا أخطأ في اجتهاده مع بدل وسعه فيما سبيله وطريقه الاجتهاد من المسائل الدقيقة أنه يعذر فلا يبدع .
Chapter: The Position Of Ahl Us-Sunnah Concerning The Aalim Mujtahid Who Errs In His Ijtihaad Whilst Having Striven In What Are Issues Of Ijtihaad In The Deep, Minute Matters, Is That He Is Pardoned For That And Is Not Declared An Innovator

فصل في أن خطأ غير المجتهد زيغٌ سببه تحكيم الهوى واتباع المتشابه ومفارقة الجماعة
Chapter: That The Error Of The One Who Is Not Mujtahid (I.E. Not Qualified To Make Ijtihaad, Or Makes Ijtihaad In Matters In Which There Is No Ijtihaad Allowed) Is Actually A Deviation, Its Cause Is Making Ones Desire To Be The Judge, Following The Ambiguous And Separating From The Jamaa'ah

فصل في أصــل التبـــديع
Chapter: Concerning The Foundation Of Tabdee'

فصل في محـــل التبـــديع
Chapter: The Place Of Tabdee' (In What Issues Is It Made)

فصل في طــريقــة أهـــل البـــدع
Chapter: On The Way Of Ahl Ul-Bida'

كتبه الفقير إلى ربـه:
أبو مصعب علي بن ناصر بن محمد العــــدني
14/4/1432هـ

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And for the sake of completion of the picture, here are the chapter headings of the book of Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin:

1. The Blessing of Speech and Discourse

2. Protecting the Tongue From All Speech Except That Which Is Good

3. On Suspicion and Spying

4. On Gentleness (Rifq) and Softness

5. The Position of Ahl us-Sunnah on the Scholar Who Errs: He is Pardoned and is Not Declared Innovator Or Boycotted

6. The Fitnah of Tajreeh and Hajr From Some of Ahl us-Sunnah in This Time and the Path of Safety From it

As you can see this last chapter is the subject of clarification by the two books written in reply to this, and also the subject of the statements of some of the Scholars, such as Shaykh an-Najmee.

As it relates to Ahl us-Sunnah, then all the Salafees can benefit from the goodness that is within it, whilst making sure that if they do, they read the two clarifications that have been written to date on this book. [Whilst noting that because the Ahl ul-Ahwaa are causing tribulations and causing confusion by way of this book, claiming it supports them and their false manhaj innovated by al-Ma'ribee, and claiming that they are free and innocent of the affairs that Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin has spoken on, some of the people of knowledge have advised that it not be distributed, and some of them have explained - from their baseerah - that indeed the Innovators, Ahl ul-Ahwaa, from those who are upon the manhaj of Ar'oor (where Ma'ribee took part of his manhaj from), they are the ones spreading this book upon everybody, in order to confuse them]

As it relates to the followers of al-Ma'ribee, al-Maghraawee, Ar'oor, Safar and Salmaan, Abdur-Rahmaan Abdul-Khaaliq and others from the Ikhwaanees, Takfeerees, and Suroorees, then there is nothing in the last chapter that is of benefit for them (in accordance with the true realities) against Ahl us-Sunnah. Rather, Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee was the very first one to give rise to this fitnah of tajreeh and ta'an upon Ahl us-Sunnah, when he began with the Sahaabah labelling them with Ghuthaa'iyyah (scum) and having no Tarbiyyah, and then he went on to describe those Salafees and Shaykhs who advised him, with all gentleness and softness of his errors back in 2001 with the same titles, Ghuthaa'iyyah, Asaaghir, Araadhil, Aqzaam, Haddaadiyyah and so on. And al-Ma'ribee is the one who began to mock and revile Shaykh Ubayd, and Shaykh Muhammad bin Haadee, after they spent all that time advising him in Madinah, and after they became aware of his Ikhwaanee realities. Al-Ma'ribee also recorded cassettes refutign Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee, reviling him also. In fact, hardly a single person who advised him and corrected him was saved from his filthy tongue. And all of this is recorded, documented and spoken of by the people of knowledge themselves. This is the true reality, and this has already been pointed out by Shaykh Rabee in what has preceded, and also Shaykh as-Suhaymee. So these are the people of fitan, the people of hypocrisy (in their actions).

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Did anyone notice when the Hukm came down down on Abu Hasan, how those who follow their desire said we were blind following sheiykh Rabee, and when 30 other scholars supported the position of sheiyk Rabee those who made the accusation rushed to take the position of one scholar and twist his words to fit their nafs, is this not hypocrisy or what?

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The Fitnah of Jarh and Tajreeh Against Ahl us-Sunnah: Lessons from "Rifqan Ahl us-Sunnah..."
Part 1


Abul-Hasan al-Misree says in the cassette series "I'laan an-Nakeer Alaa Manhaj ash-Shaykh Rabee' fit-Takfeer" (Announcement of the Rejection Against the Manhaj of Shaykh Rabee in Takfeer): [Note: Just like ash-Shayijee accused Shaykh Rabee' of Takfeer, after the Shaykh exposed the manhaj of Turaath and Abdur-Rahmaan Abdul-Khaaliq, Abul-Hasan al-Misree has followed the exact same pattern. These cassettes are full of lies and slanders and mockery (as you will see), and this was all in response to Shaykh Rabee's patience upon this man for many years, giving of secret private advice, showing gentleness and lenience with him, forbidding people to speak about him initially, giving him every chance to repent and recant and return. This is how this man responded]:

Abul-Hasan al-Misree:

1. "Who said Shaykh Rabee' is the Imaam of al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel - may Allaah forgive the one who said it - rather he is the Imaam of al-Jarh wat-Ta'teel, I say it with a Taa, not a Daal".
من قال أن الشيخ ربيع إمام الجرح والتعديل -غفر الله لمن قالها- إنما هو إمام الجرح والتعطيل أقولها بالطاء لا بالدال

2. "Shaykh Rabee' is a trickster (i.e. a cheater, fraudster) so beware, O seeker of knowledge, from this cheating, fraud".
الشيـخ ربيع مراوغ فأحذر يا طالب العلم من هذه المراوغة

3. "The manner of Shaykh Rabee is being scornful upon the people".
أسلوب الشيخ ربيع هو الاستهتار بالناس

4. "Indeed, the one who speaks with the saying of Shaykh Rabee' is a muta'assib, muqallid, mutamaawit, in the tail ends of this man (i.e. Shaykh Rabee') whose state has become clear to us a great deal, we ask Allaah to save us from his evil and that he deals with him as he deserves."
إن الذي يقول بقول الشيخ ربيع متعصب ومقلد متماوت في أذيال هذا الرجل الذي قد بان لنا الكثير من أحواله ، نسأل الله أن يكفينا شره وأن يعامله بما يستحق

5. "Indeed, his blind-followers and tail ends are partisans (muta'assibah), rowdy common folk".
إن مقلديه وأذنابه متعصبة رعاع

6. "We know justice, and equity from Ahl us-Sunnah, as for Shaykh Rabee', he is in one valley, and justice and equity are in another valley".
نعرف من أهل السنَّة العدل والإنصاف ، أما الشيخ ربيع في واد والعدل والإنصاف في واد آخر

7. "And since when did Shaykh Rabee' wait for the Scholars, and when did he restrict himself by the speech of the Scholars and not surpass what the Scholars say. Either Shaykh Rabee' has made the scholars as a barricade and trench which he shields himself with in order throw this vile spear of his upon the Muslims"
ومتى كان الشيخ ربيع ينتظر العلماء ومتى كان يتقيد بكلام العلماء ولا يتجاوز ما يقوله العلماء إما الشيخ ربيع جعل العلماء مترسا وخندقا يتترس فيـه من أجل أن يرمي سهامه هذه الخبيثة في المسلمين

8. "O Shaykh Rabee' we do not want mercy from you, we want from you that you travel upon the manhaj of the Salaf"
يا شيخ ربيع لا نريد منك رحمة نريد منك أن تمشي على منهج السلف

9. "It is obligatory to defend a Muslim, even if he is an Innovator"
يجب الدفاع عن المسلم وإن كان مبتدعا


Taken from a compilation and extraction of all of his insults upon the Scholars, and posted upon Sahab.Net. File with complete details attached below.
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