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The Fitnah of Jarh and Tajreeh Against Ahl us-Sunnah: Lessons from "Rifqan Ahl us-Sunnah..."
Part 2


Concerning the Scholars who supported Shaykh Rabee' in his replies and refutations upon him, and when these same scholars (of Yemen and Saudi) wrote to explain their clear stances towards his errors, al-Ma'ribee says about these Shaykhs (this is just a sample, there is much much more, we just simply don't have the time to translate it all):

1. "They have placed the truth beneath the feet of Shaykh Rabee"
وضعوا الحق تحت أقدام الشيخ ربيع

Cassette:  شبه فاسدة والرد عليها

2. "We found them to be a qawmiyy, jaahiliyy soul (a nationalistic soul of the days of ignorance)
وجدنا منهم نفسًا قوميًا جاهليًا

Cassette: Same as above

3. "In playing about, and erring, they are upon the way of the politicians"
هم على شكل السياسيين في التلاعب والمغالطة

Cassette: مهلا يا دعاة التقليد

4. "They have Irhaab Fikree (Intellectual Terrorism)"
عندهم إرهاب فكري

Cassette: As above

5. "They are traversing upon the path of the Hizbees"
إنهم يسيرون على طريقة الحزبيين

Cassette: As above

6. "Your manhaj is a deviated manhaj"
منهجكم منهج منحرف

Cassette: As above

9. "They are extremists" - he said this over 10 times on the 1st side of the first tape
إنهم غلاة

10. "If this is the state of the da'wah when its kibaar are at this level, then to Allaah we belong and to Him do we return" (He is speaking about the Kibaar who spoke against him and aided the truth that was with Shaykh Rabee)
إن الدعوة إذا كان كبارها على هذا المستوى فإنا لله وإنا إليه راجعون

Cassette: إقامة البرهان 1/1

11. "Indeed, they are ignorants regarding the Shar'ee knowledge, they are not proficient in the rules and the principles"
أنهم جهلة بالعلم الشرعي لا يحسنون الضوابط والقواعد

Cassette: مهلا يا دعاة التقليد 1/1

12. "They are not proficient in the rules of Ahl us-Sunnah and the principles of Ahl us-Sunnah in the topics of tadleel and tabdee' and in tafseeq, and in takfeer. Rather, we even wait in expectation of even more than that from them. We wait for them until their ignorance leads them takfeer, until they make takfeer of their opposers. And some of the sighaar have fallen into this, but also, you should not be surprised that the kibaar fall into it as well. [May Allaah smite this filthy, vile liar's tongue, for his blatant lies!!!]
لا يحسنون ضوابط أهل السنة وقواعد أهل السنة في باب التضليل وفي باب التبديع وفي باب التفسيق والتكفير بل ننتظر منهم أكثر من ذلك ، ننتظر منهم أن جهلهم يصل بهم إلى التكفير إلى أن يكفروا مخالفيهم ، وقد وقع هذا من كثير من الصغار ، لكن أيضًا لا تستبعد أن يقع فيه الكبار

Cassette: مهلا يا دعاة التقليد 1/1

13. When the Shaykhs of Yemen referred the matter to Shaykh Rabee', Abul-hasan al-Misree said, "This is Hizbiyyah in its most rotten/smelly form".
هذه هي الحزبية بأنتن صورها

Cassette: مهلا يا دعاة التقليد 1/2

14. "They resemble the Mutasawwifah, rather their actions are the actions of the Mutasawwifah" (referring here to the fact that some of the Shaykhs refer the matter to others regarding his fitnah).
شابهوا المتصوفة بل أفعالهم أفعال المتصوفة

Cassette: As above.

15. "They are not even capable of knowing taqleed, and if the definition of taqleed was requested from them, they would surely make taqleed in the definition of taqleed".
أنهم لا يستطيعون أن يعرفوا التقليد ، وإذا طلب منهم تعريف التقليد سيقلدون في تعريف التقليد  

Cassette: As above.

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The Fitnah of Jarh and Tajreeh Against Ahl us-Sunnah: Lessons from "Rifqan Ahl us-Sunnah..."
Part 3


Spreading Lies upon the Scholars and Upon the People



Abu Abdullaah al-Madanee said: Usaamah al-Umree said

Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Raheem

All praise is due to Allaah, and prayers and peace upon His Messenger, to proceed: One of the brothers showed me today, Sunday 25/11/1423H, at 3:45pm, Asr time, what Abul-Hasan al-Misree, then al-Ma'ribee said, in his speech, "Usaamah al-Umree narrated to me that he heard Shaykh Rabee' saying, "Indeed, speaking about the Jamaa'aat has caused me to forget many sciences, until I almost became like a common person", and the burden for this (narration) is upon Usaamah al-Umree and I do not think that he will reject this!!".

And this statement is a pure fabrication or lie, as is his habit of ascribing statements to people who are free from them, and his desire to create corruption between the Salafee students of knowledge and their Shaykhs may Allaah protect them from every evil, and repel the plots of the plotters, and the fabrications of the liars.

So let him fear Allaah, and let him remember the saying of Allaah Azza wa Jall, "And fear a day when you will be returned to Allaah, then every soul will be recompensed for what it earned, and they will not be wronged". And let him remember the saying of the Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam), "You must adhere to truthfulness, for verily, truthfulness guides to righteousness, and righteousness guides to Paradise, and a man does not cease to be truthful and pursue truthfulness, except that he is written as a truthful person with Allaah. And beware of lying for verily, lying guides to fujoor (sin) and fujoor guides to Hellfire and a man does not cease to lie and pursue lying, except that he is written as a liar with Allaah." Reported by al-Bukhaaree, Muslim, Abu Dawood, at-Tirmidhee, and he authenticated it and the wording is his.

And prayers and peace be upon Muhammad, his family and his companions.



بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

الحمد لله والصلاه والسلام على رسول الله أمابعد

فقد أطلعني أحد الاخوة اليوم الأحد 25/11/1423هـ في تمام

الساعة 3:45 عصراً على ماذكره أبو الحسن المصري ثم المأربي من قوله ( حدثني أسامة العمري، أنه سمع الشيخ ربيعًا يقول: (إن الكلام في الجماعات أنساني الكثير من العلوم، حتى كدت أن أصير عامياً )، والعهدة في ذلك على أسامة العمري، وما أظنه -الآن- يُنكر ذلك!!) وهذه المقولة منه محض إفتراءٍ وكذب كما هي عادته من نسبة الأقوال إلى أُناس هم برآء منها وقصده الأفساد بين طلاب العلم السلفيين ومشائخهم حفظهم الله من كل سوء ورد عنهم كيد الكائدين وافتراء الكاذبين فاليتق الله وليتذكر قول الله عز وجل ( واتقو يوماً ترجعون فيه إلى الله ثم توفى كل نفسٍ بما كسبت وهم لا يظلمون ) وليتذكر قول الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم عن عبد الله بن مسعود رضي الله عنه أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال (عليكم بالصدق فإن الصدق يهدي إلى البر والبر يهدي إلى الجنة ومايزال الرجل يصدق ويتحرى الصدق حتى يكتب عند الله صديقاً وإياكم والكذب فإن الكذب يهدي إلى الفجور وإن الفجور يهدي إلى النار وما يزال العبد يكذب ويتحرى الكذب حتى يكتب عند الله كذاباً) رواه البخاري ومسلم وأبو داود والترمذي وصححه واللفط له

وصلى الله على محمد وعلى آله وصحبه وسلم


http://www.sahab.net/sahab/showthread.php?s=a669329abf61f64fc1cca1bf556d5138&threadid=287830

Declared the Liar by Three of those Who
who Sat with al-Ma'ribee numerous times in Madinah
When They Arbitrated for Him



Abu Umar al-Utaybee, in his refutation of the Sulaymaanee Dajjaal's latest round of fabrications, slanders and mockery of Shaykh Rabee' bin Haadee (in which he accuses him of having extremism in takfeer), narrates:

And I asked Shaykh Saalih as-Suhaymee, and Shaykh Muhammad Haadee, and Shaykh Abdullaah al-Bukhaaree about you (i.e. al-Ma'ribee), and all of them said:

You (i.e. al-Ma'ribee) are a Kadhdhaab (Liar)


And they explained their jarh in detail and explained it (with evidences).


ولقد سألت عنك الشيخ صالح السحيمي والشيخ محمد هادي والشيخ عبد الله البخاري فكلهم قال : إنك كذاب . وفسروا جرحهم وبينوه


http://www.sahab.net/sahab/showthread.php?s=a669329abf61f64fc1cca1bf556d5138&threadid=287805



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The Fitnah of Jarh and Tajreeh Against Ahl us-Sunnah: Lessons from "Rifqan Ahl us-Sunnah..."
Part 4


The Fitnah of Tafreeq (Causing Separation) And Working
Plots Towards This End, And Revealing them to Others


Alhamdulillaahi Rabbil-Aalameen Was-Salatu Was-Salamu Alaa Rasoolihi. Wa ba'ad.

The brother, Abdur-Rahman Abu Abdullah Aal Umaysaan, a former close acquaintance of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee has a written a testimony exposing some statements that this Ikhwaanee Dajjaal made, indicating the true nature of his misguidance and his evil intentions.

http://www.anasalafi.net/showthread.php?s=31b9d647c3f21d702820431433982d4c&threadid=3400

Amongst what he has written is:
quote:
I heard Abal-Hasan Mustafaa bin Ismaa'eel as-Sulaymaanee al-Misree, the resident of Ma'rib say, whilst he was on his journey to meet the Shaykhs of Madniah, who wanted to make Islaah:

"You will see O Abdar-Rahmaan, Shaykh Rabee' will be walking all by himself, all of the people will be with us".

And he used to contact us (by phone) and would (boast) saying, "So and so (number of people) were present with us in such and such place...", and then as the days passed by his followers would be decreasing, and then after some days his deceptions and plotting would return - which is a habit of his - and he would then say, "This is the way of the people of truth, that their followers decrease".

Then Abu Abdullaah Abd ur-Rahmaan explains how Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee kept saying that we have to now review everything that Shaykh Rabee has said concerning individuals. That he debated with him concerning Adnaan Ar'oor explaining that all the scholars have spoken against him, even Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin al-Abbaad warned from him and advised not to sit with him or listen to him and not to invite him, and that Ar'oor is the one who reviled all the scholars and even said about Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin al-Abbaad, "his words are thrown back in his own face", meaning the words Shaykh Abdul-Muhsin said in warning against Ar'oor.

And Abu Abdullaah Abdur-Rahmaan continues and says that Shaykh Muqbil also affirmed that Ar'oor is a Qutubi, as Shaykh Rabee' said so and whoever Shaykh Rabee' speaks of saying he is Hizbee or Qutubee, then the days will soon reveal tha he is indeed so, and that he also explained to Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee that Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen and Shaykh al-Fawzaan even spoke about him and refuted him. So alongside all of this Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee still wanted to reject whatever Shaykh Rabee had said about Adnaan Ar'oor. And he also says that he wonders whether Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee, if he was asked about others like Salman and Safar, would he come with the same thing (i.e. to ask for the rejection of the criticisms against them by Shaykh Rabee' as well, just as he was hoping with Ar'oor, because he was a friend of Ar'oor.)

He also said:
quote:

5. Abul-Hasan said to me, "If the Mashaayikh of Madinah issued a bayaan in which there is no support for the truth, I will certainly refute them".

And he also said:
quote:

7. And our Shaykh, Shaykh Alee bin Muhammad bin Naasir al-Faqeehee narrated to me, "I have not sat with Abul-Hasan except once. However, I saw that he was a hotheaded youth, and he never ceased to be affected by the Ikhwaaniyyah which he used to be upon".

And he also said:
quote:

8. And what also occurred with him once, was that we were in a hotel in which he stopped, and then one of the brothers came with some dates which were on a plate which had a covering over it (to cover the dates), so Abul-Hasan took this covering off the plate, and he said, "This is what I have done with the Salafees...".

I say: I don't know in which time they were suppressed (i.e. hidden), was it in the time of Shaykh Muqbil, in "the time of fear"?

And he finishes by saying:
quote:

So O you who desires the truth and hopes in deliverance, this is only a selection of that which we observed from him, so beware and know the reality of this man... this is what I heard from his man, I ask Allaah the Mighty, that he protects us and protects the Salafee Da'wah from his evil and the evil of his likes.

Written by Abu Abdullaah Abdur-Rahmaan bin Muhammad bin Abdullaah Aal Umaysaan al-Yamaanee, on the night of Thursday, 5-11-1423H


Some Important Facts
Ar'oor was the one who corrupted al-Maghraawee, and turned him Qutubee. Shaykh Rabee' gave great excuses for Maghraawee, before it became absolutely clear that he allied with Ar'oor and became affected by his manhaj and started to teach it in his lessons and books. Ar'oor was with Safar and Salman and upon their manhaj in calling to the manhaj of Sayyid Qutb, and al-Ma'ribee is intimate friends with Ar'oor and Ar'oor is the one who corrupted al-Maghrawee.  Al-Ma'ribee is married to the daughter of one of the two men executed along with Sayyid Qutb in 1966 in Egypt. Things start making sense? Al-Ma'ribee was a former Takfeeree from one of the takfeeree groups in Egypt. He fled to Yemen in the early 80s or around that time. Al-Ma'ribee taught the book of Sayyid Qutb called Milestones in his camp in Ma'rib. He defended him on the issue of Wahdatul-Wujood using the arguments of Abdullaah Azzaam, at a time when he knew that the Major Salafee scholars had refuted him on it. He taught the book of Salaah as-Saawee called Jamaa'at ul-Muslimeen, and Abdul-Qadir Abdul-Azeez's book on Jihaad, both these individuals are Qutubis. Al-Ma'ribee sat in the same house as Salman al-Awdah. Al-Ma'ribee jointly authorises funds and grants for some of the students of knowledge with some of the outspoken Qutubi figureheads of Saudi Arabia. His signuature appears on his own letterheads along with one of the major Qutubi figureheads of Saudi Arabia. This is documented and copies of this are on the Internet. Hassan al-Banna brought the principle of "ta'aawun and ma'dhirah" (co-operating and forgiving), Salman al-Awdah and others brought "al-Muwaazanah". Ar'oor brought "we correct but do not disparage", and al-Ma'ribee brought "we correct but do not destroy"? Now understand that all of this is Ikhwaaniyyah and has the same source and root? All of the above facts, are facts. They are documented, corroborated.

As Shaykh Ubayd said (in September 2002 after their attempts to correct and advise Abul-Hasan - and this is available as audio):
quote:

"...And it seems that the man, we have already advised him, and he does not benefit from advice...and that which is affirmed and established with me is that the man is a pure Ikhwani (Ikhwani of flesh), one who devises plots (maakir), one who plays around (la''aab), and one who has been sent, or planted ( madsoos) amongst the Shaykhs of Yemen, in order to split their word, and to turn them into sects and groups...And we advise cutting off from him, until he repents, from everything that he fell into of error, and then spreads this repentance, and that this repentance is recorded.."



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Speech of Shaykh Faalih on "Rifqan Ahl us-Sunnah..."


موقف الشيخ العلامة فالح بن نافع الحربي من كتاب" رفقا أهل السنة بأهل السنة"

السائل : شيخنا حفظكم الله ظهرت عندنا رسالة بعنوان :" رفقا أهل السنة بأهل السنة" ويوزعها القطبيون والتكفريون وأصحاب المأربي والعيد شريفي وفرحوا بها فرحا شديدا ويقولون هذه الرسالة كتبها العباد طعنا في الشيخ العلامة ربيع بن هادي المدخلي  والمشايخ الذين أكثروا من الرد على المخالف فما قولكم وما توجهكم بارك الله فيكم وأحسن الله إليكم ؟

الشيخ فالح حفظه الله: " الرسالة المسؤول عنها وأنتم تسألون عن كتاب وهذا الكتاب منشور وطار كل مطار وخدمه كما تقول الحزبيون وأهل الأهواء ويعلم ضرورة أن أهل الباطل لا يطيرون بالحق ولا يحتفلون بالحق ولا يفرحون به ، وإنما يفرحون بضده ، هم أهل أهواء  الشيء الذي يوافق أهواءهم ، وقطعا الحق يخالف أهواءهم فهم يحتفلون به ويهتمون به و يحتفلون به ، وإلا فأين  احتفالهم  بعلم الشيخ العباد وفقه الله وحفظه، علم الشيخ العباد لا يوجد إلا في هذا الكتيب  ؟.

علم العباد دروس العباد كتب العباد، التلمذة عليه  الاستفادة من علمه  كل هذا يعني  لم يفرحوا به ولم يعني يخفوا إلى نشره في مواقعهم وفي ما بينهم هذا دليل على أنهم أصحاب أهواء  وأيضا تعين الأشخاص  الذين عينوهم  الشيخ لم يعين يعتبر هذا من التخرص ، لكن لاشك أنهم وجدوا في الكتاب  ما يساعد هم على هذا وهم خصوم  للسنة ولأهلها، ولذلك  تجدهم  يتعلقون بالأوهام  ويفسرون الكلام كما يريدون  كما فسر من سبقهم ومن  سلف له من سنوات  خطابا أو نصيحتا لسماحة الشيخ ابن باز رحمة الله عليه ونزلوها على أهل السنة ، ورد عليهم الشيخ وزيف ما قالوه وأبطله ونص على أهل السنة و أنهم أهل السنة ، فنحن نقول صاحب السنة لا يطعن في أهل السنة ، لكن قد بعضهم يستدرك على بعض لاشك في هذا وهذا مسلم ، وقد لا يتفقون أحيانا يعني يظهر الحق لبعضهم ولا يظهر لبعضهم الأخر ويكون من لم يظهر له الحق تحت العذر إذا كان عالما مجتهدا ومن ظهر له الحق وجب عليه أن يقول به هذا منهج أهل السنة والجماعة  المستقى من كتاب الله وسنة رسوله صلى الله عليه وسلم  بل هو  الذي جاءت لأجله الرسل وأنزلت  لأجله الكتب   ، مسألة قول الحق ولا نخاف في الله لومة  لائم  ، قضية الولاء والبراء عليه  وهذا أساس وأصل .

نعود إلى ما قلناه من أنه قد يظهر لأهل السنة  لبعضهم ما لم يظهر لأخر أو يجتهد مجتهد هم  ويرى أنه أهل لأن يقول  في مسألة من المسائل وينتقد الآخرين فيها ولكنه يكون مخطأ ، نحن والحمد لله لسنا كأصحاب الأهواء لدينا ميزان ، ميزان دقيق عادل وهو الميزان بالكتاب والسنة على فهم سلف الأمة  هذا هو منهج أهل السنة والجماعة   ويوصل أيضا عندنا في بلادنا كان كبار علماءنا كسماحة الشيخ عبد العزيز بن باز والشيخ ابن عثيمين  وغيرهما يخالفوننا في الكلام في أشخاص  حزبيين  في مناهجهم لأنهم لا يعرفوا حقيقتهم  ونحن نعرف حقيقتهم ونقول ، ونقول وهم يعذروننا في ذلك ثم فيما بعد تبين لهم ما تبين لنا ، أوما كنا نقوله حينما راجعوه ونظروا فيه ووجدوه هو الحق وطلب الحجج عليه فوصلت إليهم ، فأفتوا بضلال أولاءك وانحرافهم بل بسجن أولاءك وعوقبوا أو عوقب بعضهم وعرف باطل مناهجهم بناء على فتوى أولاءك العلماء من كبار العلماء في بلادنا وهناك ظهر أنه لا خلاف بعد أن كان أولاءك العلماء تحت العذر ونحن قلنا بما نعتقده ما ظهر لنا من أولاءك ونحكم به رجعوا فحصل الإتفاق والإجماع وهكذا أهل السنة دائما إذا كان العلماء مجتهدين فإن منهم من يكون تحت العذر عندما يظهر له ما لم يظهر لأخيه و إذا ظهر له الحق أيضا اتفق مع أخيه على الحق فالرسالة شئنها هو شئن هذا

فهو أن الشيخ وفقه الله له وجهة نظر ونقول إن شاء الله ما أراد إلا الخير ولكن لاشك أن الرسالة فيها ثغرات وفيها أخطاء يجب أن تجتنب يعني من النصيحة أن نحذر من هذه الأشياء وأنها تجتنب ولا يجوز أن تروج ولا أن توزع وذلك لخطورة ما فيها وهناك أمور أصلت ليست على أصول أهل السنة فهي مخالفة للأصول أهل السنة ، لا بنسبة للفتوى ومن يرجع إليه و الإلزام بالرجوع إلى لا يلزم شرعا الرجوع إليهم دون غيرهم وإنما هم من أول من يرجع إليهم ومن المرجعية لأهل السنة والجماعة ، ولكن الله سبحانه وتعالى يقول :  ( فسألوا أهل الذكر إن كنتم لا تعلمون).

وأولئك حفظهم الله من العلماء لهم مسؤولية وفيه أمور محددة حينما ترجع إليهم يكون كلامهم فيها أو حكمهم فيها من باب القضاء وينفذ وإذا رجع إليهم قد يكون الرجوع إليهم خصوصا أنهم هيئة أعني هيئة كبار

العلماء وعلى رأسهم المفتي حفظه الله عندنا يستأنس بما يصدر عنهما   حتى ولو كانت فتوى غير ملزمة  لأن رأي الجماعة يعني أوثق أو الثقة به أكثر من رأي الأفراد رأيك مع الجماعة أحب إلي رأيك وحد ك كما هو معلوم لكن لايحجرهذا الواسع  فمن رجع إلى عالم واستفتى في الأمور التي ليست مما يعني ينحو نحو القضاء والحكم   السلطاني   بحيث يحكم فيها هذا العالم وولي الأمر ينفذ هذا يدخل في باب القضاء وقد يكون مخطئا وقد يكون مصيبا المجتهد ولكن لولم ينفذ مثل هذا  الحكم لصارت الأمور فوضى فكما جاء في قصة داوود وفي قصة الولاة  الذين يحكمون وفي قصة القضاة هذه الأمور ليست من باب أن شخصا يجتهد في مسألة فيخطأ أو يقول رأيا أو يقرر أمام تلاميذه مسألة قد يخطي بتقريره ولكن إذا كانت قضاء وكانت مما يعني ينفذه السلطان مما يتعلق بي أمور الأمة من الأمن أو الخوف أو الأحكام والعدل فيما بينهم فإنه حينئذ ينبغي الرجوع إلى ما يقرره من كلفوا بهذا وهذه ناحية قضائية أما أن يتكلم الشخص أو يفتى وهو أهل للفتوى فإن قوله قد يكون حقا وقد لا يكون كذلك ويرد عليه مع احترامه ويبين ما عنده من خطأ ، هذه الرسالة فيها خطأ ومن خطئها أو أخطاءها أن الأشخاص الذين يقال رفقا بهم لا يوافق أهل السنة على هذا الكلام على أنهم فعلا كما يراه صاحب الكتاب وكذلك ما ذكرناه من كونه يعني لابد من أن يرجع إلى جهة معينة أو الخطأ إذا بين يكفي تبينه أو يكفي بيانه وينتهي الأمر ولا يحتاج إلى أن يكون البيان مساوي لما حصل من الخطأ وكاشفا له كما قال الله سبحانه تعالى :{ وكذلك نفصل الآيات ولتستبين سبيل المجرمين }

وليهلك من هلك عن بينة ويحيي من حي عن بينة ، البينة هي ما أبان الحق فيوضح ويبين الحق حتى يعلم الناس على أن هذا حق ويعرفوا الخطأ بنسبة لما هو عندنا في هذا الكتاب المسؤول عنه أيضا فيه أصول وتقعيد ، تقعيدات أخرى وتأصيلات أخرى الناظر فيه يعرف أنها خلاف أصول أهل السنة ، فمثل في كلام أن منهج الشيخ عبد العزيز بن باز ومنهج الشيخ بن عثيمين على خلاف منهج أهل السنة الآخرين هذا خطأ لاشك يعني لا يكثرون الردود ويردون على المخالف هذا لو صح هو خلاف منهج أهل السنة والجماعة وهو طعن في الشيخين في

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Quick Summary of the Statement of Shaykh Faalih:

This is not a complete translation but only a quick summary by meaning of the Shaykhs words for those who want to know what the Shaykh said but can't read Arabic. If we have the time we will translate it in full, and if there is anyone who is willing to translate it, then please do so.

The above statement can be summarised as follows:

1. The Ahl ul-Ahwaa have used this book and spread it in every place. The people of falsehood do not rejoice with truth, they only rejoice with what agrees with their desires, they rejoice with the opposite of truth. If not, then why have they not rejoiced with the knowledge of Shaykh al-Abbaad, is the knowledge of the Shaykh only found in this small booklet? (I.e. these Hizbees never rejoiced and benefited from the knowledge that is with Shaykh al-Abbaad in general, have they ever spread that, like they spread this booklet, and have they benefited other people by the Shaykhs knowledge prior to the Shaykh writing this small booklet?). What about the knowledge of al-Abbaad, his lessons, his other books, what about studying under him an benefiting form his knowledge? All of this they never rejoiced with, and they did not take steps to spread it on their sites and between themselves. This is a proof that they are people of desires. Also specifying names that the Shaykh did not specify himself is lying upon the Shaykh.

2. There is also no doubt that they found in the book what supports them, yet they are disputants against the Sunnah and its people. This is why you see them always attached to awhaam (conjectures) and interpreting words however they desire, just like they did years earlier with the bayaan of Shaykh Ibn Baaz (rahimahullaah) which they took to refer to Ahl us-Sunnah, and then Shaykh Ibn Baaz falsified them and declared they saying as counterfeit and stated specifically those who are Ahl us-Sunnah.

3. So we say that a person of the Sunnah does not revile Ahl us-Sunnah. However sometimes some amongst them can make observations and follow up each other, without a doubt, and this is accepted. Sometimes they might not agree, the truth is apparent to some, but it has not become so to others, and the one to whom it has not become clear might be excused, when he is a scholar who is mujtahid. But as for the one who sees the truth, he must speak with it. This is the manhaj of Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah, which is taken from the Book, the Sunnah, and this is why the Messengers were sent and Books revealed, the issue of speaking the truth and not fearing the blame of anyone, the issue of walaa and baraa around this, this is the foundation.

3. Sometimes some amongst Ahl us-Sunnah might see what others do not see, or one might make an ijtihaad in which he believes he is correct, and then criticise others on account of it, but in reality he is the one who is in error. And we by the praise of Allaah are not like the people of desires, we actually have a balance/scale, a detailed and just balance/scale, which is that of the Book and the Sunnah upon the understanding of the Salaf.

4. The Shaykhs like Shaykh Ibn Baaz and Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen used to differ with us when we would speak about the Hizbees in their methodologies. This is because they did not come to know of their realities, and we knew their realities, and we say that they would excuse us in that, and then afterwards what was clear to us became clear to them. And afterwards when they looked in detailed, they issued a verdict of misguidance upon them, and their deviation and imprisonment for them and they were punished, and the falsehood of their manhaj became known. So afterwards it became clear that there is no difference between us, but they were excused because they did not know and we stated what we believed and what was apparent to us from those people and we judged by this. And thereafter, agreement and consensus was reached, and this is how Ahl us-Sunnah are always. When the scholars make ijtihaad then they are excused when eventually what is clear to others becomes clear to them, and then they will agree with their brothers. So this risaalah (of Shaykh al-Abbaad) is like this, the matter is the same.

5. So we say the Shaykh has is own angle, and he desires nothing but goodness. But there is no doubt that the risaalah does have mistakes that are to be avoided. And it is from naseehah that we warn from these matters, that they are avoided and it is not permissible to spread them due to the danger within them. There are some matters that have been laid down which are not from the usool of Ahl us-Sunnah, they oppose the usool of Ahl us-Sunnah. Such as the issue of fatwaa and to whom should it referred back to. For it is not correct to make it binding to refer to them (i.e. the Permanent Committee) as opposed to others, but they are the first of those to whom it can be referred to (as well as others) and Allaah says, "Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know".

to be continued...


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Sorry to interrupt brothers in the middle of all this but maybe this could be made:

The Fitnah of Jarh and Tajreeh Against Ahl us-Sunnah - Part 5


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Abu.Abdullah.A   08-06-2003 @ 1:48 PM      
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Saleem al-Hilaalee says that Sahab and AnaSalafi.Net are run by Ahl ul-Bidah wal-Ahwaa wad-Dalaalah who are only wearing the gown of Salafiyyah.

فإياك وإياها فإنها (مواقع للفتنة)، وبِخاصة بعض المواقع التي لَبِسَت لبُوس السلفيّة مثل: موقع (أنا السلفي)! أو موقع سحاب! أو موقع (أهل الحديث)! هذه من المواقع التي يديرها أهل الأهواء وأهل البدع وأهل الضلالات، وبعضهم معروف بانتماءاته المشبوهة.
سجل بتاريخ (1/6/1424هـ - الموافق 31/7/2003م).

Yet on sahab.net the following people of knowledge have accounts and post on there

الشيخ ربيع بن هادي المدخلي

الشيخ أحمد النجمي

الشيخ زيد المدخلي

الشيخ عبيد الجابري

الشيخ فالح الحربي

الشيخ سلطان العيد

See this link

http://www.sahab.net/sahab/showthread.php?s=4298773a36b09ae92a547618e468a20b&threadid=295959


What happened to the rifq?
What happened about the fitnah of tabdee' and tajreeh?
What happened to "tathabbut"?
What happened to "husnu dhann"?
etc. etc. etc.

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Need a lift.

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Reminder.

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One important point that perhaps has not been given due recognition - Shaykh 'Abbaad stated:
quote:
فهذا الكتاب الذي هو رفقاً أهل السنة بأهل السنة لا يعني الإخوان المسلمين

So this book, which is "Rifqan Ahl is-Sunnah bi-Ahl is-Sunnah," does not mean (i.e. refer to) Ikhwaan ul-Muslimeen.
This is a clear indication that the Shaykh does not consider Ikhwaan to be amongst Ahl us-Sunnah (and thus amongst the 72 sects of the fire). This in itself is a blow to al-Ma'ribee and his followers.

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أبو عبد العزيز المصري

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Shaikh Ahmad an-Najmee's advice on Shaikh Abdul-Muhsin about his book.

(مرة أخرى منسقًا للنشر) نصيحة العلامة أحمد النجمي للشيخ العباد حول كتابه (رفقا أهل السنة بأهل السنة)

http://www.sahab.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384616

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