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Luton have indeed confused the whole affair saying Abul Hasan has repented from his statement on the companions being affected by ghotha'iyah (i.e. scum).

Inshaallaah one will see the deception played by Abul Hasan and his followers in Luton in how they call those who take from the Ulama (who refuted him) as being Muqalids (blind followers). Yet knowing that we alhamdolillaah have taken from our scholars with detailed proof that we have found with them.

ıııı ııııı ıııı ıııııı ıııııııı ıııı ıııı : "ııııııı ıı ıııııı ııııııı ıı : "ıııı ııı ııııı ıı ııı ııııı ııııı ". [ ııııı ıııı ııııı ıııı 314 ]
So taqleed as Sheikh Muhammad Ameen Shanqeeti rahimahullaah says is to "accept a saying from someone without knowing the proof". [ıMudakira Usool al Fiqhı p. 314]

So how can it be said that those who followed the detailed proofs with the scholars are muqalids??? As Abdulqaadir of Luton and his companions continue to put out on the internet. Indeed they have said everything what Abul Hasan says against even issues that have been cleared if they only followed the scholars and took the affairs to the elders. And in this affair Sheikh al Banna, Sheikh Ahmed Yahyah Najmi and Sheikh Rabee' are the eldest with the proofs. The detailed proofs. For example, Abdulqaadir of Luton says that Sheikh Abdulmuhsin has said that Abul Hasan has taken his error back regarding using the term ghotha'iya (scum) for the companions. However Abul Hasan has not been clear in his retraction as he has persistently defended that ghotha'iya is not a revilement of the companions. Therefore, he has shown that he has not taken it back.

Sheikh Rabee' showed 6 stages of Abul Hasanıs position regarding his statement about the companions. The last stage was when he said in Jeddah, that ghotha'iya  is not to be considered a revilement of the companions. So where is the Tawbah and taking back of the errors OPENLY and without going back on it afterwards:

The following are Abul Hasanıs stages regarding his statement ghotha'iya on the companions taken from Sheikh Rabeeıs Maraahil Abil Hasan wa Taqalubatuhu Howl Wasfihi liSahabati bil Ghotha'iya

Stage 1
Abul Hasan considers many of the righteous and truthful companions as not being free from falling into ghotha'iya (scum). [tape called: Fahm Saheeh Libaıd Usool as-Salafiyyah]

Stage 2
Abul Hasan defends his statement ghotha'iya regarding the companions when questioned in a tape called [Jalsa fi Maırib no.5 side 1]. He says he has other speech where he defends the companions. However this innovated principle of Mujmal and Mufassal where he tries to defend a clear error by saying elsewhere he has spoken good of companions. Sheikh Rabeeı says this is worse than the innovated principle of Muwaazanaat where a person mentions the good as well as the mistakes of the innovators but in Mujmal and Muffassal you cannot even mention the mistakes since a person will say ıI have other speech elsewhere where I am correct.ı

Abul Hasan in this tape further critises the companions as being exposed except a few. He says some of the companions followed the hypocrites and said statements of the hypoctrites. Then he says look at the story of the slander of Aisha radiallaahu ıanha.. After Abul Hasan is pressed by questioners, he says ıbut if this word is an incorrect slip then I retract from the incorrect slip. But did they (the companions) fall into following the hypocrites?ı Then he says, ıI retract from what I said.ı Sheikh Rabeeı says donıt trust this retraction after this long persistent defence especially since he continues to play until now.

Stage 3
Four months later after the sitting in Maırib he was asked about his statement ghotha'iya (scum) to the companions so he says ıThese ones donıt know the meaning of reviling the companions, they donıt know the meaning of reviling the companions and certain news will reach you, donıt be hasty, go forward, and have glad tidingsıı

Stage 4
In summary, Abul Hasan  complains about why people are spreading statements about him saying this word when he has taken it back. But it is interesting when he says ıI retract from this statement since the pious predecessors have not use it. So after that, why is it said that he reviles the companions? Why did they not spread that I had taken it back?ı [tape 1 side 2 regarding his defence and speech against Sheikh Rabeeı] Sheikh Rabeeı replies by saying, ılook at the reason for his retraction, it is amazingıand are you (Abul Hasan) waiting for statements from the salaf with revilement and curses upon the companions of the Messenger sallallaahu ıalaihi wa sallam?ı

Stage 5
In Madeenah, he now is sat by some of the scholars of Madeenah and says ıMy statement on the companions (ghotha'iya) is a mistake. It is not allowed and I repent to Allaahıı Sheikh Rabeeı says ıUntil now he doesnıt admit that the statement ghotha'iya in the right of the blessed companions is a revilement but only a mistake so therefore he is a mujtahid (one able to give verdicts) and is rewarded by one reward.ı
Other statements that were mentioned by Sheikh Muhammad al Madkhali from Osaama al Amri that while Abul Hasan was in Madeenah he said to Osaamah al Amri that his heart is inclined to splitting.
Other statements he made showed he has been concentrating on Sheikh Rabeeı and either the Madeenah mashayakh will be with him against Sheikh Rabeeı or with Sheikh Rabeeı against him. This was quoted by Sheikh Muhammad al Madkhali in Jeddah that he eard this from Osaamah al Amri who was told by Abul Hasan.

Also when Abul Hasan left Madeenah he went to Riyaadh where he sat with the refuted Adnan Urur. These are just background points which Abdulqaadir and Luton wonıt mention to you in their defence of Abul Hasan. Sheikh al Banna said that Abul Hasan wants to bring down the heads of salafiyyah now meaning Sheikh Rabeeı to allow the daıwah of Ikhwaan in. Sheikh al Banna also warned brothers not to cooperate with those that support Abul Hasan such as Luton even if they have a conference and said tell them I Muhammad al Banna said so.

Sheikh Rabeeı says
The reality became known about his retraction when it was said to him ıSheikh Obayd or the shuyookh of Madeenah say that you have retracted from 20 points.ı He said this is not true rather I have taken back two points. And I took them back from before meaning in Yemen in the seven tapes in particular tape no.1ı

Stage 6
The last visit Abul Hasan made after his retraction in Madeenah he was asked in Jeddah about about the word ghotha'iya which he said earlier about the companions and he said ıThis is not to be called revilement, this is not to be called revilement but it is more correct to use better words for the right of the companions and the right of the Prophets this is what is required. But if this is called revilement then sheikh Rabeeı has much speechıı

Then Abul Hasan says that he will not consider Sheikh Rabeeıs speech on the companions as revilement so why should his statement be considered so.

Sheikh Rabeeı says: ıSo this is the reality of Abul Hasanıs repentance and this is the reality of his retraction, so whoever seeks to meet his Lord and is true to his salafiyyah and he should having nothing to do with him and consider his seriousness and warn from the deception of Abul Hasan and his likes.ı

So now when Abdulqaadir of Luton quotes Sheikh AbdulMuhsin who says that Abul Hasan has repented from this statement ghotha'iya  then you can see Abdulqaadirıs deception and/or lack of knowledge in not mentioning the whole picture from sheikh Rabee regarding ghotha'iya. So Abdulqaadir should fear Allaah for either speaking about the affair without knowledge or hiding the whole picture from the people.

And Oncemore:

Where is Abul Hasan's retraction when he said that Abu Sa'eed al Khudri should have had good opinion on the Jewish dajjal Ibn Sayyad???

Where is Abu Hasan's retraction that the companions are also not free from bad upbringing (sooı tarbiyyah)? Which is also a revilement of the Messenger sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam.

Indeed the matter is clear for those who have stuck to the detailed refutation of the 21 scholars. Indeed it is a blessing from Allaah that when any innovation appears that He Allaah the Most High brings forth those who completely destroy it with the Hujjah of Allaah.

ııııı ııı ıııııı ıııı ıııı : " ııııııı ııı ıııı ııı ııı ıııı ıııı ııııı ıı ıııı ııı ıııııı ııııııı ııııı ıııı ıı ıııı ııııı ııı ıııı ııııı ıııııı " ııı ııı ııııı ııııı ıııı ıı ııııııı  " ııı ııııııı ıııııııı (1/ 34) .  
Sheikh Ibn Uthaimeen rahimahullaah said ıNo one innovates an innovation except that Allaah out of his grace and blessing sends one who clarifies this innovation and suffices it with truth and this is the exact meaning of Allaahıs saying: We have sent down the remembrance and We will protect it. ı [Al Waasitiyyah: 1/34]

Abul Hasan and his followers oppress others if they donıt agree with them by saying they are blind followers but Allaah says,

( ııııııı ııı ııııı ıı ıııı ıı ıııııı )
Ask those who know if you do not know

( ıııı ııııı ııı ıı ııııı ıı ııııı ıııııı ıı ııı ıııı ııı ıııııı ıııı ıııı ııııı ıııı ııııı ııııı ııııııııı ıııı
If they took it back to Messenger and those in Authority over them then they (Messenger and those in authority- i.e. the scholars) would have derived the benefits from it.

The taqleed that is allowed as mentioned by sheikh al Islaam ibn Taymiyyah
ııı ııı ııııııı ııı ııııı ıııı ıııı : " ııııı ıııı ıııııı ııııı ıı ıııııııı ıııı ıı ıııııı ıııııııı ıııı ıı ıııııı ıı ıııııı ıııııııı ııı ıı ııı ııııııı ııııııı ııı ıııııı ııııııı ııı ıı ııı ııııııı ıııııııı ııı ıııııııı ıııı ıııııı ııı ıııııııı ıııııııı ıııı ıııııı ıı ıııııııı " ııııı ııııııı [ 20 / 203 ı 204]
Sheikh al Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah said ıAnd what the majority of the Ummah hold that Ijtihaad is allowed in general and Taqleed is allowed in general. They do not impose ijtihaad on everyone and make taqleed prohibited nor do they impose taqleed upon everyone and make ijtihaad prohibited. And that ijtihaad is allowed for the one able to make ijtihaad and taqleed is allowed  for the one not able to do ijtihaad.ı [V20/203/204]

ııııııı ıııııııı ı ıııı ıııı -  ııı ııı : "ıı ııııı ıı ıııı ııııııı ıııııı ııı ııı ııııııı " [ııııııı 315]"No one differed in the allowance of taqleed for the lay man except the Qadariyah."


Ibnul Qayyim continues:
ıııı ııı ııııı - ıııı ıııı - :" ıııı ııııı ıı ııı ıııı ıı ııııı ıı ıııı ıııı ıııı ıııı ıııı ıııı ıı ıı ıııı ııı ıııı ııııı ııı ııııı ıııııı ııı ııııı " ııııı ıııııııı [2/130] .

Imam Ahmed says:
ıı ıııı ıı ııı ııı ıııı ıııııı ıııııı ıııı ıı ıııı ııı ııı : " ııı ııı ııı ııııı ııııııı ııı ıııı ıııı ıııı ııı ııı ıııı ııı ıııı ıııııı ııı ıııı ıııı ıııı ıııı ıııı ıııı ııııı ııııı ıııııı ııııı ıııııı ııııııı ıııııı ııııııı ııııııı ııııııı " ııııı ıııııııı (1/31)

So the taqleed that is not allowed is when proof comes to you and you still prefer the saying of your Imam to the saying of Allaah and His Messenger sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam. Where is the truth of this type of taqleed that Abul Hasan and his followers have accused the salafees of doing. When the detailed proof has been with the 21 scholars who refuted Abul Hasan for his false principles.

Indeed sheikh Muqbil was right when he said:
ııııı: ııııı ııııııı ıııı ıı ıııı ııı ıııı - ıııı ıııı ı ııı " ıııı ıı ıııı ıııııı "
"I fear he(Abul Hasan) will split our call"


The following are all the refutation of Sheikh Rabee' on Abul Hasanıs innovated principles and innovations: May Allaah reward our Sheikh for his Jihaad.
ıııı ııı ıı ıııı ııııı / ıııı  ıı ıııı ııııııı ıııı ıııı :
1.     ııııı ııı ııııı ııı ııııı ııııı ıı ıııı
2.     ııııı ııı ııııı ııı ııııı ııııı ıı ıııı
3.     ııııı ııı ııııı ııı ıııııı ııııııı
4.     ıııı ııı ııııı ıı ııııı ıııııı ıııııı ıııııı ıııııııı
5.     ııııı ııııı ııı ııııı ııı ıııııı ııııııı
6.     ıııııı ıııııııı
7.     ııııı ıııı ııı ııııı ııııııı
8.     ıı ııııı ıııııııı ııııı ıı ıııııııı
9.     ııııı ııı ııııı ııı ıııı ııııı ıı ıııııı
10.     ıııııı ıı ııııııı ııııııııı ııııı ııı ııııı ııı
11.     ııııı ıııııı ıııııı ııı ııı ııııı
12.     ıııı ııı ııııııı ıııııı ıııııı ıııııı ıııııııı
13.     ıııı ııı ııııı ııı ııı ıııı ıııııı ıııııııı ıı ııı ıııı ıııı ııı ııııı ıı ııııı ııııı ııı ıııı ıııı ıııı ıııı ııııııı
14.     ııııı ııı ııııı ııııııı ııııı ıııııııı ıııııı ııııı
15.     ıııııı ııııııı ııııııı ııı ııııı ııııııı ııııııı
16.ııııı ııı ııııı ıııııııı ııı ıııı ııııııı ııııııııı
17. ıııııı ıııı ıııııı ııı ıııı ıııııı ıııııı .
18. ıııı ııııııı ıııııı ıı ıııııııı .
19. ııııı ıııııı ııı ıııııı ıııııı
20. ııı ııııı ııııııı ııı ııııı ııı ııııı
21. ııı ııııııı ııı ııııı ııı ıı ııııı ıııııı ıııı ııııı
22. ııııı" ıııı ııııııı" ııı ııı ııııı
23. ııııı ııı ııııı ıııııııı ııı ıııı ııııııı ııııııııı
24. ıııı ııı ııııı ıı ıııı ııııı ıııııı
25. ııı ııııı ııııı ıı ııı ııııııı
26. ııııı ııııııı ııı ıı ıııı ııı ııııı ıı ıııııııı
27. ııııııı ııı ıı ıııı ııı ııııı ıı ıııııııı ( ıııııı ıııııı ıııııııı ).

The following are refutations on Abul Hasan by other scholars and students of knowledge:
1. ııııı ııııı ııı ııııı ııııııı ııııı ıııı ıııııı
2.ıı ııııııı ıııııı ııı ıı ııı ıı ııııı  ıııı   ııııı ıııı ıııııı
3. ıı ııııııı ııııı ııı ııııı ıııı  ııııı ıııı ııııııı
4.ııııı ıııı ıııııı ııı ıııııı ıııı ııııı ıııııı  ııııı ıııı ıı ııı ıııııı ııııı
5.ııııı ıı ııı ııııı ıııı ıııııı  ııııı ıııı ııııı
6.ııııı ııııııı ııı ıı ııı ııı ııııı ıı ıııııı ıı ıııı ıııııı ııııı ıııı ıı ıııı ııııııı
7.ııı ııııı ııı ııııı ııııı ıııı ııııııı
8.ıııı ııı ııı ıııı ııı ııııııı
9.ıı ıııı ıııııııı ıı ıııı ııı ııııı ııııı ıııııı ııııııı
10.ııııı ıııııı ııııııı ıı ııı ııııı ııııı ııııııı
11.ıııı ııı ıııı ıı ıııııı ııı ııııı ııııı ııııı ııı ıı ııı
12.ııı ıııı ıı ıııı ıı ıııııııı " ııııı ııııııı " ııııı ııı ıı ııı
13.ııııı ııııı ıı ııı ııı ııııı  ııııı / ıııı ıı ııı ıııııı ııııııı ııııııı
14.ııııı ıııııı ıı ııı ııı ııııı ııııı ııııııı
15.ııııı ıııııı ıı ııı ııı ııııı ıııııı ııııı ııııııı
16.ııı ıııı ııııııııı ııı ııı ııııı .ıııı / ııı ıııı ııı ıı ıııı ıııııı
17.ııı ıııı ııııı . ııııı ıııı ıı ııı ııııııı
18.ııııııı ıııı ıııııı ııı ııııı ııııııı . ıııı ııı ıııı ııııııı
19.ııııııı ıııııı ııı ııııı ııı ııııı ıııııı . ıııı ııı ıııı ııııııı
20.ıııı ııııııı ııı ııı ııııı ııııııııı .ıııı ııı ıııııı ııı ıı ıııı ıııııı ıııııı
21.ıııı ıııııı ııı ııı ııııı ııııııııı ııııııı ıı ıı ıııı ııııı ııı ıııııı ııı .        
22.ıııı ııııııı ııı ııı ııııı ııııııııı.ıııı ıııı ııııııı.(12)ııı
23.ıııı ııııı ııı ııııı . ıııı ıııı ıı ıııı
24.ııııı ııııı ıııııı ıııı ıııı ıı ıııı
25. ıııı ıı ııııı ıııııııı ııııı ııı ıııııı ıııııı
26. ıııı ııııııı ıı ııııııı ıııı ııı ııııı ııııııı ııııı ııııı ıııııı ııııı ııııı ııııııı ıııı ıııııı ııı ııııı ıııııı

(ııııı ııı ıııı ııı ıııııı)
So what is after truth except misguidance!!

As for those who defend Abul Hasan like those in Luton then it is said to them
remember the verse:

ııı ııııı{ıııııı ıııı ıııııı ııı ııı ıııı ıı ıııı ıı ııı ıı ıııı ııı ıı ıııııı}
"And remember a day when you will return to ALLAAH then every soul will be given what they brought forth and they will not be oppressed."

You have indeed oppressed your salafi brothers and oppressed the trust of guiding the people to the truth. You have insulted your Muslim salafi brothers and confused the masses by speaking about the affair without knowledge. Indeed you must return to your Lord with humility and research the issue before you speak. And it is better that you don't speak for there are those who are capable of bringing the speech of the scholars directly to the people without confusion and deception aiding the truth and people of truth.

All the Arabic quotes are taken from the above mentioned book Rad al Qaadhi ıala Abil Hasan as-Sulaimaani
By Abu AbdiSallaam Hasn ibn Qaasim ar-Raimi
May Allaah reward him much for his great benefit from this book.

Abdulilah Lahmami


ııı ııııı:{ııı ııı ııııı ııııı ıııı ıı ııııııı}
ııı ııııı ıııııı - ıııı ıııı - ıı ıııııı (3/31): " ııı ıııı ıııı ıııı ıı ıııııı( ıııııı ) ııı ıııı  ıııı ıı ıı ıııı ıııı ıııııı ıııı ıı ıııı ıııı ıııı ııııı ııı ııııı ıııııııı".






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