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Moosaa
11-21-2008 @ 11:50 AM    Notify Admin about this post
Abul-'Abbaas Moosaa ibn John Richardson (Jeddah, Saudi Arabia)
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in the Beautiful Name of Allaah...

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The first word is (Surah 3:55) mutawaffeeka, the Qadianis say this means 'to die'.  The next word is Khalat (3:144) they say this means passed away - their argument is that Jesus passed away.


wa 'alaykumus-salaamu wa rahmatullaah

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with regards to "mutawaffeek" (we are) "taking your soul" and Allaah's use of this word in describing what happened to 'Eesaa ibn Maryan ('alayhe as-Salaam), as found in Aali 'Imraan verse 55...

then this is based on the verb "tawaffaa yatawaffee tawaffiyan" which has a number of meanings, the most commonly used one means to "cause to die".  It may also mean "to take one's soul during sleep" or even to "take someone/something firmly by force"

the people differ with regards to the meaning of the word in the verse in relation to 'eesaa ibn maryam:

1- that it means Allaah took his soul, causing him to die. (christians and some astray claimants to islaam)

2- that it means Allaah will take his soul, as there is the use of the conjuction "waaw" in the verse: "verily I am going to cause you to die and take you up to Me"  the "and" here does not necessitate order, meaning: the verse means that Allaah has raised him up and He will cause him to die later, after sending him back in the end of time.  the waaw in the arabic language does not necessitate order, like the faa' USUALLY does, and the thumma ALWAYS does.  This is something learned in one's first few lessons in Arabic.  To summarize this idea:

waaw - may or may not indicate succession

faa' - usually indicates succession

thumma - always indicates succession

A clear example of the Qur'aanic usage of the "waaw" in a way that is not in the intended order would be "They have said: It is merely our worldly life, we die, and (waaw) we are brought to life" (45:24)  This is the position of the kuffaar who denied the resurrection!  So they meant: "We are brought to life (we live) and then after that we die", they did not intend to affirm a resurrection after death!  So the linguistic order of the two things is not intended, and there is no conjuction used that obliges succession.

3- that it means that Allaah made him go into a deep sleep when He raised him up, as Allaah has referred to himself and the one who takes the souls (using the same root: yatawaffaa) when they sleep.  Refer to Zumar:42, An'aam:60

4- that it means that Allaah seized him sternly and raised him up without killing him or causing him to sleep (possible linguistically)

Allaah has clarified the issue in a way that no Muslim may deny.  "They (the Jews) DID NOT KILL HIM, nor did they crucify him... they had not killed him with certainty, INSTEAD ALLAAH RAISED HIM UP" (nisaa':157-158)

so in light of this second verse, one of the last three positions must be correct, and the first one is absolutely falsehood, and it is the way of ahlul-bid'ah to single out a text and focus on the linguistic meaning of a word to produce a meaning that contradicts another verse.  Ahlus-Sunnah understand all of the Qur'aan and Sunnah as a single body of revelation that has no contradiction in it at all.

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As for the second verse you mentioned (3:144), then the word khalaa or khalat means to pass.  It does not necessitate death, refer to 2:14, 2:76, 15:13, 3:137, 40:85, 48:23, 69:24.  All these verse use the same verb "khalaa" and death is not at all intended.  In fact if someone were to explain the word "khalat" in some of the verses as "died" they would be outside of Islaam, like in 40:85 and 48:23 the reference to Allaah's sunnah with the people "khalat" has passed/preceded, can we say that Allaah's sunnah in dealing with the people has DIED?!

If we were to give in to the idea that the intended meaning of khalat with regards to the messengers is that they have died, then clearly this is general and there is no specific mention of 'Eesaa, not any reason to believe that there can be no exception from the generality of the phrase.

And again putting the verse in light of the other verses we could not accept anyone's understanding that 'Eesaa has died, since Allaah himself has negated this.

And Allaah knows best.

I hope you have found some benefit in these words, and all praise is for Allaah, may He send His complete salaat and salaam upon the final Messenger.

Moosaa ibn John Richardson

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Hamdi
01-15-2009 @ 9:24 PM    Notify Admin about this post
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Asalamu alykum akhee

Im sorry im really slow..i got kind of confused...I allways thought that Allah took Esa (alyhi salaam) to jannah? I didnt understand that part about the deep sleep.I know however, Esa alyhi salaam is not dead..sorry akhee could you just clarify it clearly with me. I think i just got confused with the Arabic lexis.

wa alykum salaam

Umm yahya bint muhammed

Moosaa
01-16-2009 @ 8:36 PM    Notify Admin about this post
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wa 'alaykumus-salaam wa rahmatullaah

Sorry about that.

Allaah has clarified the issue in His Book (4:157-158): "They (the Jews) DID NOT KILL HIM, nor did they crucify him... they had not killed him with certainty, INSTEAD ALLAAH RAISED HIM UP"

Moosaa ibn John Richardson

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dksadiq
01-17-2009 @ 8:23 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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wa 'alaikumus-salaam warahmatullahi wabarakaatuh,

For extra benefit: in the hadeeth of the al-Mi'raaj ("the Ascent of Prophet Muhammad sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam to the heavens with his body and soul") from Sahih al-Bukhari which is quoted as a footnote to verse 12 of Surat-ul-Najm (53) in "the Interpretations of the Meanings of the Noble Qur'aan in the English Language", it is mentioned:
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Then we (the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم and Jibreel عليه السلام) ascended to the second heaven. ... Then I (the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم) met 'Eesa ...
So, from this we can understand that 'Eesaa 'alaihis-salaam is not in Jannah (Paradise) but in the 2nd of the 7 heavens. Insha'Allah brother Moosaa can please confirm this and also if the 7 heavens are below the Paradise.

JazaakumAllahu khayraa,
Sadiq.

yasin3683
01-19-2009 @ 12:34 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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The Evil Accusation the Jews Uttered Against Maryam and Their Claim that They Killed 'Isa (Jesus)

Allaah said: And because of their (Jews') disbelief and uttering against Maryam a grave false charge. 'Ali bin Abi Talhah said that Ibn `Abbas stated that the Jews accused Maryam of fornication. This is also the saying of As-Suddi, Juwaybir, Muhammad bin Ishaq and several others. This meaning is also apparent in the Ayah, as the Jews accused Maryam and her son of grave accusations: They accused her of fornication and claimed that 'Isa was an illegitimate son. Some of them even claimed that she was menstruating while fornicating. May Allaah's continued curse be upon them [Jews] until the Day of Resurrection.

The Jews also said, "We killed Al-Masih, 'Isa, son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah" meaning, we killed the person who claimed to be the Messenger of Allaah.

The Jews only uttered these words in jest and mockery, just as the polytheists said, (O you to whom the Dhikr (the Qur'an) has been sent down! Verily, you are a mad man!

When Allaah sent 'Isa with proofs and guidance, the Jews, may Allaah's curses, anger, torment and punishment be upon them, envied him because of his prophethood and obvious miracles; curing the blind and leprous and bringing the dead back to life, by Allaah's leave. He also used to make the shape of a bird from clay and blow in it, and it became a bird by Allaah's leave and flew. 'Isa performed other miracles that Allaah honored him with, yet the Jews defied and bellied him and tried their best to harm him. Allaah's Prophet 'Isa could not live in any one city for long and he had to travel often with his mother, peace be upon them. Even so, the Jews were not satisfied, and they went to the king of Damascus at that time, a Greek polytheist who worshipped the stars. They told him that there was a man in Bayt Al-Maqdis misguiding and dividing the people in Jerusalem and stirring unrest among the king's subjects. The king became angry and wrote to his deputy in Jerusalem to arrest the rebel leader, stop him from causing unrest, crucify him and make him wear a crown of thorns. When the king's deputy in Jerusalem received these orders, he went with some Jews to the house that 'Isa was residing in, and he was then with twelve, thirteen or seventeen of his companions. That day was a Friday, in the evening. They surrounded 'Isa in the house, and when he felt that they would soon enter the house or that he would sooner or later have to leave it, he said to his companions, "Who volunteers to be made to look like me, for which he will be my companion in Paradise?" A young man volunteered, but 'Isa thought that he was too young. He asked the question a second and third time, each time the young man volunteering, prompting 'Isa to say, "Well then, you will be that man." Allaah made the young man look exactly like 'Isa, while a hole opened in the roof of the house, and 'Isa was made to SLEEP and ascended to heaven while asleep.

Allaah said: And (remember) when Allah said: "O 'Isa! I will take you and raise you to Myself." When 'Isa ascended, those who were in the house came out. When those surrounding the house saw the man who looked like 'Isa, they thought that he was 'Isa. So they took him at night, crucified him and placed a crown of thorns on his head. The Jews then boasted that they killed `Isa and some Christians accepted their false claim, due to their ignorance and lack of reason. As for those who were in the house with `Isa, they witnessed his ascension to heaven, while the rest thought that the Jews killed `Isa by crucifixion. They even said that Maryam sat under the corpse of the crucified man and cried, and they say that the dead man spoke to her. All this was a test from Allaah for His servants out of His wisdom. Allaah explained this matter in the Glorious Qur'an which He sent to His honorable Messenger, whom He supported with miracles and clear, unequivocal evidence. Allah is the Most Truthful, and He is the Lord of the worlds Who knows the secrets, what the hearts conceal, the hidden matters in heaven and earth, what has occurred, what will occur, and what would occur if it was decreed.

He [Allaah] said, but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared as that to them, referring to the person whom the Jews thought was `Isa. This is why Allaah said afterwards: and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. referring to the Jews who claimed to kill 'Isa and the ignorant Christians who believed them. Indeed they are all in confusion, misguidance and bewilderment.

This is why Allaah said (For surely; they killed him not. meaning they are not sure that 'Isa was the one whom they killed. Rather, they are in doubt and confusion over this matter.

But Allah raised him up unto Himself. And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, meaning, He is the Almighty, and He is never weak, nor will those who seek refuge in Him ever be subjected to disgrace.

All-Wise. in all that He decides and ordains for His creatures. Indeed, Allaah's is the clearest wisdom, unequivocal proof and the most glorious authority. Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ibn `Abbas said, "Just before Allah raised 'Isa to the heavens, 'Isa went to his companions, who were twelve inside the house. When he arrived, his hair was dripping water and he said, 'There are those among you who will disbelieve in me twelve times after he had believed in me.' He then asked, 'Who volunteers that his image appear as mine, and be killed in my place. He will be with me (in Paradise)' One of the youngest ones among them volunteered and 'Isa asked him to sit down. 'Isa again asked for a volunteer, and the young man kept volunteering and 'Isa asking him to sit down. Then the young man volunteered again and 'Isa said, 'You will be that man,' and the resemblance of 'Isa was cast over that man while 'Isa ascended to heaven from a hole in the house. When the Jews came looking for 'Isa, they found that young man and crucified him. Some of 'Isa's followers disbelieved in him twelve times after they had believed in him. They then divided into three groups.

One group, Al-Ya`qubiyyah (Jacobites), said, 'Allaah remained with us as long as He willed and then ascended to heaven.'  

Another group, An-Nasturiyyah (Nestorians), said, 'The son of Allaah was with us as long as he willed and Allah took him to heaven.'

Another group (Muslims), said, 'The servant and Messenger of Allaah remained with us as long as Allaah willed, and Allaah then took him to Him.'

The two disbelieving groups cooperated against the Muslim group and they killed them. Ever since that happened, Islam was then veiled until Allaah sent Muhammad."

This statement has an authentic chain of narration leading to Ibn 'Abbas, and An-Nasa'i narrated it through Abu Kurayb who reported it from Abu Mu`awiyah. Many among the Salaf stated that 'Isa asked if someone would volunteer for his appearance to be cast over him, and that he will be killed instead of `Isa, for which he would be his companion in Paradise.


From Ibn Kathir











Subhanak Allaahuma wa bihamdika ash-hadu anlaa illaaha illa anta astaghfiruka wa atubu ilayk  

If I said anything correct, then it is from Allaah (subhanahu wa taa'ala), and if I erred, then that is from me and shaytan.  

Abu'Isaa
01-21-2009 @ 5:33 PM    Notify Admin about this post
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Assalaamu 'Alaykum.

Regarding 'Isaa (Jesus),
He did not die, as it clearly says in the Quran:

157: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-  
158: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- (Nisaa 157-158)  

Allah's word is above anything else you find saying that Isaa (Jesus) did die.

Abu Isaa

Abu 'Isaa Muhammad bin Ismaa'iil

Moosaa
01-25-2009 @ 2:36 PM    Notify Admin about this post
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Again, as mentioned in a recent post, if we are quoting from Daar as-Salaam's English translation of "al-Misbaah al-Muneer" by Shaykh Safee ar-Rahmaan al-Mubaarakfooree, which is a tah-theeb (summarization/re-writing) of Ibn Katheer's Tafseer, then we quote it by saying: al-Mubaarakfooree said, or As found in al-Misbaah al-Muneer, or the likes.

The importance of this is exdplained in the following thread:
http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=10&Topic=7675

Moosaa ibn John Richardson

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Hamdi
02-08-2009 @ 5:07 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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Jazakallah khair for the clarification!

Umm yahya bint muhammed






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