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Moosaa
01-05-2004 @ 4:48 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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As-Salaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh.

Our brother, Khaalid ath-Thufayree, may Allaah preserve him, said:

quote:
سألت شيخنا العلامة الشيخ ربيع رعاه الله عن حكم إعلان الوفاة في المنتديات وهل هو داخل في النعي المنهي عنه .

فقال : نعم هو من النعي .

فقلت له : إذن الأولى تركه .

فقال : بل الواجب تركه .


which means:

quote:
I asked our shaykh, the 'Allaamah Shaykh Rabee', may Allaah protect him, about the ruling on announcing deaths on (internet) forums, and is this considered from the prohibited forms of announcing deaths?

He said, "Yes, it is a kind of announcing deaths."

I said, "So therefore it is more appropriate to abandon it?"

He said, "Rather it is obligatory to abandon it."


May Allaah reward him for conveying this to us.  Here is the source:
http://www.sahab.net/sahab/showthread.php?s=184c119d3d9aec24e555d1100bc5846a&threadid=299543

Moosaa Richardson

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01-05-2004 @ 8:58 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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Assalaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullah.

Are there any guidelines how to to announce deaths?

Barakallaahu feekum

wa'alaikum assalaam

abu ayyub al bukhari

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reza
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Al-Hamdullillah May Allah preserve our shaikh.

I remember when Shaikh Al-Albaani died a friend and I with some of shaikhs obituary/biography from the net ran to our local salafi jummah mosque(sri-lanka)and told the tullabul-Ilm who runs the masjid of the news and that he should do the next jummah on AL-ALbaani. May Allah bless the brother his answer was "follow the manhaj of Al-Albaani & I dont run a obituary notice service"
Allah chooses to teach each of us in different ways Al-Hamdullillah .

reza

Abu-Fadhlallah Muhammad Reza as Saylanee

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wa alaikum assalaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh.

Jazakallaahu khair, Akhee Moosaa for the beneficial post. May Allaah bless Shaykh Rabee' for the reminder.

I was the one who post the death of the brother in Sri Lanka. I seek Allaah's forgiveness for it.

Also Akhee could you or anyone else please provide more details about this issue of "Announcing Deaths".
Jazakumullaah khair.



Aslam ibn Aftabuddin as-Saylaanee

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The Permanent Committee on Announcing Deaths


الإعلان عن وفاة الميت

السؤال الثاني من الفتوى رقم ‏(‏4276‏)‏

س2‏:‏ هل يجوز الإعلان بوفاة من يموت في القرية على سبورة موضوعة في المسجد، خصيصًا لهذا‏؟‏ مع العلم أنه يوجد من يقوم بغسل الميت وتكفينه، أما الصلاة عليه فإنه يصلى عندنا بعد الظهر أو العصر في المسجد على الجنازة‏.‏

ج2‏:‏ أولًا‏:‏ الإعلان عن وفاة الميت بشكل يشبه النعي المنهي عنه لا يجوز، وأما الإخبار عنه في أوساط أقاربه ومعارفه من أجل الحضور للصلاة عليه، وحضور دفنه فذلك جائز، وليس من النعي المنهي عنه؛ لأن النبي ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ لما مات النجاشي بالحبشة أخبر المسلمين بموته وصلى عليه‏.‏

ثانيًا‏:‏ لا ينبغي اتخاذ لوحة في المسجد للإعلان فيها عن الوفيات وأشباهها، ذلك لأن المساجد لم تبن لهذا‏.‏

وبالله التوفيق وصلى الله على نبينا محمد وآله وصحبه وسلم ‏.‏

اللجنة الدائمة للبحوث العلمية والإفتاء

عضو/ عبد الله بن غديان

نائب الرئيس/ عبد الرازق عفيفي

رئيس اللجنة/ عبد العزيز بن عبد الله بن باز


Announcing the Death of the Deceased

Second Answer from Fatwa no. 4276

Question. Is it permissible to announce the death of the deceased in a town on a board that has been placed in the  mosque specifically for this purpose? Alongside the knowledge that the one who will perform the washing (of the body) and shrouding is found. As for the prayer over him then we pray the janaazah after dhuhr or asr in the masjid.

Answer: Firstly, Announcing the death of the deceased in a form that resembles the Na`ee (death announcement) that has been forbidden is not permissible. As for informing about it in the midst of his (the dead person's) relatives and acquaintances, for the purpose of attending to pray over him, and attending his burial, then that is permissible, and is not considered from the Na`ee that has been forbidden - because the Prophet (sallAllaahu `alayhi wasallam), when an-Najjaashee died in Abysinnia - he informed the Muslims of his death and prayed over him.

Secondly: It is not desirable to have a board in the mosque in order to announce deaths and what is similar to them. This is because the mosque has not been built for this purpose.

And with Allaah lies succcess, may the prayers and salutations be upon our Prophet Muhammad, his family and his companions.

The Permanent Committee for Research and Verdicts.

Member / `Abdullaah al-Ghudayaan
Deputy Head /`Abdur-Razzaa1 al-`Afeefee
Head / `Abdul-`Azeez bin Baaz


http://www.sahab.net/sahab/showthread.php?threadid=299543&pagenumber=2


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abu.iyaad
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Ibn Hajar on an-Na`ee - from Fath ul-Baaree

And Ibn Hajar said, commenting on the hadeeth of the Prophet's announcement of the death of an-Najjaashee, mentioned in the fourth chapter in the Book of Funerals.

"...He said: And the benefit of this tarjamah (i.e. wording in the hadeeth) is an indication that an-Na`ee (death announcement) is not completely forbidden, but that which the people of Jaahiliyyah used to do is forbidden. They used to send one who would announce the news of the death of the deceased at the doors of (people's) houses and (in) the markets. And Ibn al-Muraabit said, "His intent is that the Na`ee which is informing the people about the death of their near-relative is permissible, even if it comprises entering hardship and calamities upon his (the deceased's) family. However in this mafsadah (this announcement which brings hardship and calamity) there are ample benefits (masaalih), due to what arises out of knowing that (i.e. the death of the deceased), such as hastening to attend his janaazah, arranging his affair, prayer over him, supplicating for him, seeking forgiveness for him, and fulfilling his will, and whatever rulings arise from that.

As for the Na`ee of Jaahiliyyah, then Sa`eed bin Mansoor said, "Ibn `Aliyyah informed us from Ibn `Awn who said: I said to Ibraaheem: Did they used to dislike an-Na`ee? He said: Yes. Ibn `Awn said: When a man died a person would ride on a beast and then shout amongst the people, "I announce the death of so and so". And also from to Ibn `Awn that he said, "Ibn Seereen said: I do not know of any harm in a man announcing to his friend or close companion".

The sum of this is that mere announcment (of the death) is not disliked, but if something is added on top of that (announcement), then no. And some of the Salaf used to be severe in this matter until Hudhayfah, when a person of his would die he would say: "Do not notify anyone, for I fear that it might be na`ee (the prohibited form of announcing death), for I heard the Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu `alayhi wa sallam) with these two ears of mine prohibiting from an-Na`ee". Reported by at-Tirmidhee and Ibn Maajah with a hasan isnaad.

Ibn al-`Arabee said, "There are three situations taken from all of the ahaadeeth together: The first: Notifying the family, companions and the people of rectitude. This is sunnah. The second: Inviting to a gathering for boasting, this is disliked. The third: Another form of notification, such as Niyaahah (lamenting, wailing) and the likes, this is prohibited..."

Fath ul-Baaree (3/150-151)


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amr.basheer
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بسم الله  الرحمن الرحيم
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أما بعد:


So from what we understand is that there are two types of na?ee;

1] that which is forbidden and the proof is,

-the statement of Hudaifah mentioned above. [and he ascribed it to the Prophet, sallallahu alayhi wasallam, in ?al-musannaf?.]

2] that which is allowed and the proof is,

-the hadeeth of Abi Hurairah about Najjaashee mentioned above [related by al-Bukhaaree and Muslim]

-the hadeeth of Anas where the deaths of Zaid, Ja?far, and Abdullaah bin Rawaahah, may Allaah be pleased with them all, were announced by the Prophet, sallallahu alayhi wasallam. [an-nasaa?ee. See Muhammad bin Aadam?s discussion in ?dhakirah al-uqbah fi sharh al-mujtaba? volume 18 page 368-370].

-the hadeeth about the lady who used to take care of the masjid and when she died he, sallallahu alayhi wasallam, said: Why did you not tell me about her.


Al-Albaanee in his book ?ahkaam al-janaaiz? brings a chapter heading,

?chapter 6. what is forbidden for the relatives of the deceased?

and he says on page 44,

?..to announce his death from the minarets and its likes is a form of na?ee, and it is established from hudaifah. ...na?ee in the language means announcing the death of the deceased, so by this, all types of notifications are included.

However, there are authentic ahaadeeth which show the permissibility of some types of announcements and so the ulamaa have made exceptions to the general forbiddance. They say, what is meant by the na?ee is a notification which resembles what the people of jahliyyah used to do, like screaming by the doors of houses and markets as will be shown. Therefore I say,

chapter 7. the na?ee which is allowed.

It is permissible to announce the death if it does not involve that which resembles the na?ee of jahiliyyah. At times it becomes obligatory if someone is needed to wash the body, shroud it and then to pray over it.

?then it is recommended for the informer to request from the people to seek forgiveness for the dead as shown in the hadeeth of abi qataadah related by ahmad 5/299-301?and also the hadeeth of abi Hurairah and others in his saying when he announced about Najjaashee to the people: Seek forgiveness for your brother.[end of al-Albaanee?s words]

So it is clear from al-Albaanee?s words that there is the permissible na?ee and the same thing is mentioned by the fatwa of the Lajna, Ibn Hajar, Ibn Muraabit, Ibn al-Arabee and what is mentioned by Saeed bin Mansoor from the salaf [see above].

So the forbidden types are;

-Boards in mosques made to post/announce deaths, as a mosque is not for that purpose ? see the lajna fatwa.

-Announcing in mosques generally and by the doors ? mentioned by al-Qadi Aboo al-Waleed bin Rushd in ?al-bayaan wa-tahseel? and he realtes this from Maalik. [at-Turtooshee in ?al-hawaadith wal-bid? brought the statement of Maalik adding that he said it is ok to walk amongst the people informing them quietly and this is the madhab of Abi Haneefah and ash-Shaafi?ee. Aboo haneefah said: it is permissible to announce about the deceased]. He then mentioned there is ijmaa.

-On the minarets - as mentioned by al-Albaanee and Khair ud-Deen al-Waanilee [the alim from shaam] in ?al-masjid fi Islaam? page 401 bringing a quote from Alee Mahfoodh?s famous book on innovations ?al-ibdaa? that people recite specific verses from the Qur?aan from the minaret and places from where the adhaan is made. Also mentioned by as-Sana?anee in ?subul as-salaam?.

-yelling in the streets and markets - as mentioned by al-Albaanee.

-that which involves boasting and exaggeration about the deceased - as mentioned by as-Sindee in his ?notes to sunan an-nas?aaee?.

-in jahliyyah a man would ride his horse and go to people in the street to tell them ? related by al-mubaarakfuree in ?tufah al-ahwadhee? 4/59.

-on internet forums - as mentioned by Rabee bin Haadi. [the fatwa of Saalih al-Fawzaan mentioned in the other thread is general]

al-Mubaarakfuree then added from ibraaheem [an-nakha?e one of the kibaar of the salaf from the time of the taabi?een] who said: there is no harm when a man dies that you convey that to his friends and companions?


As for the issue of writing about the person after his death then this is not from na?ee. As we see the scholars compiled books whether called al-manaaqib or as-siyar and other types to do with the science of hadeeth, like writing the death dates to determine if narrators met each other or not.

as mentioned by al-Albaanee exceptions have been made to the general forbiddence by the scholars. as regards the forums being from the second category then we need a ruling from a scholar but we only have Rabee bin Hadee's ruling putting it into the first category, that it resembles the na'ee of jahiliyyah. Allaah knows best.

This message was edited by amr.basheer on 11-14-04 @ 3:49 PM






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