Moosaa | -- 05-01-2004 @ 4:48 AM | ||||||||
As-Salaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh. Our brother, Khaalid ath-Thufayree, may Allaah preserve him, said:
which means:
May Allaah reward him for conveying this to us. Here is the source: http://www.sahab.net/sahab/showthread.php?s=184c119d3d9aec24e555d1100bc5846a&threadid=299543 Moosaa Richardson ******************** سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
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abu.ayyub.al-bukhari | -- 05-01-2004 @ 8:58 AM | ||||||||
Assalaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullah. Are there any guidelines how to to announce deaths? Barakallaahu feekum wa'alaikum assalaam abu ayyub al bukhari This message was edited by abu.ayyub.al-bukhari on 1-5-04 @ 9:25 AM
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reza | -- 07-01-2004 @ 3:28 AM | ||||||||
Al-Hamdullillah May Allah preserve our shaikh. I remember when Shaikh Al-Albaani died a friend and I with some of shaikhs obituary/biography from the net ran to our local salafi jummah mosque(sri-lanka)and told the tullabul-Ilm who runs the masjid of the news and that he should do the next jummah on AL-ALbaani. May Allah bless the brother his answer was "follow the manhaj of Al-Albaani & I dont run a obituary notice service" Allah chooses to teach each of us in different ways Al-Hamdullillah . reza Abu-Fadhlallah Muhammad Reza as Saylanee
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abu.talhah.a | -- 11-01-2004 @ 8:49 PM | ||||||||
wa alaikum assalaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh. Jazakallaahu khair, Akhee Moosaa for the beneficial post. May Allaah bless Shaykh Rabee' for the reminder. I was the one who post the death of the brother in Sri Lanka. I seek Allaah's forgiveness for it. Also Akhee could you or anyone else please provide more details about this issue of "Announcing Deaths". Jazakumullaah khair. Aslam ibn Aftabuddin as-Saylaanee
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abd.al-kareem | -- 12-11-2004 @ 3:41 PM | ||||||||
Raised!
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abu.iyaad | -- 13-11-2004 @ 10:41 AM | ||||||||
أبو عياض أمجد بن محمد رفيق -=amjad bin muhammad=- -rafiq-
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abu.iyaad | -- 13-11-2004 @ 11:42 AM | ||||||||
أبو عياض أمجد بن محمد رفيق -=amjad bin muhammad=- -rafiq-
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amr.basheer | -- 14-11-2004 @ 3:32 PM | ||||||||
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم الحمد لله والصلاة السلام على رسول الله وعلى آله وصحبه ومن اتبع هداه أما بعد: So from what we understand is that there are two types of na?ee; 1] that which is forbidden and the proof is, -the statement of Hudaifah mentioned above. [and he ascribed it to the Prophet, sallallahu alayhi wasallam, in ?al-musannaf?.] 2] that which is allowed and the proof is, -the hadeeth of Abi Hurairah about Najjaashee mentioned above [related by al-Bukhaaree and Muslim] -the hadeeth of Anas where the deaths of Zaid, Ja?far, and Abdullaah bin Rawaahah, may Allaah be pleased with them all, were announced by the Prophet, sallallahu alayhi wasallam. [an-nasaa?ee. See Muhammad bin Aadam?s discussion in ?dhakirah al-uqbah fi sharh al-mujtaba? volume 18 page 368-370]. -the hadeeth about the lady who used to take care of the masjid and when she died he, sallallahu alayhi wasallam, said: Why did you not tell me about her. Al-Albaanee in his book ?ahkaam al-janaaiz? brings a chapter heading, ?chapter 6. what is forbidden for the relatives of the deceased? and he says on page 44, ?..to announce his death from the minarets and its likes is a form of na?ee, and it is established from hudaifah. ...na?ee in the language means announcing the death of the deceased, so by this, all types of notifications are included. However, there are authentic ahaadeeth which show the permissibility of some types of announcements and so the ulamaa have made exceptions to the general forbiddance. They say, what is meant by the na?ee is a notification which resembles what the people of jahliyyah used to do, like screaming by the doors of houses and markets as will be shown. Therefore I say, chapter 7. the na?ee which is allowed. It is permissible to announce the death if it does not involve that which resembles the na?ee of jahiliyyah. At times it becomes obligatory if someone is needed to wash the body, shroud it and then to pray over it. ?then it is recommended for the informer to request from the people to seek forgiveness for the dead as shown in the hadeeth of abi qataadah related by ahmad 5/299-301?and also the hadeeth of abi Hurairah and others in his saying when he announced about Najjaashee to the people: Seek forgiveness for your brother.[end of al-Albaanee?s words] So it is clear from al-Albaanee?s words that there is the permissible na?ee and the same thing is mentioned by the fatwa of the Lajna, Ibn Hajar, Ibn Muraabit, Ibn al-Arabee and what is mentioned by Saeed bin Mansoor from the salaf [see above]. So the forbidden types are; -Boards in mosques made to post/announce deaths, as a mosque is not for that purpose ? see the lajna fatwa. -Announcing in mosques generally and by the doors ? mentioned by al-Qadi Aboo al-Waleed bin Rushd in ?al-bayaan wa-tahseel? and he realtes this from Maalik. [at-Turtooshee in ?al-hawaadith wal-bid? brought the statement of Maalik adding that he said it is ok to walk amongst the people informing them quietly and this is the madhab of Abi Haneefah and ash-Shaafi?ee. Aboo haneefah said: it is permissible to announce about the deceased]. He then mentioned there is ijmaa. -On the minarets - as mentioned by al-Albaanee and Khair ud-Deen al-Waanilee [the alim from shaam] in ?al-masjid fi Islaam? page 401 bringing a quote from Alee Mahfoodh?s famous book on innovations ?al-ibdaa? that people recite specific verses from the Qur?aan from the minaret and places from where the adhaan is made. Also mentioned by as-Sana?anee in ?subul as-salaam?. -yelling in the streets and markets - as mentioned by al-Albaanee. -that which involves boasting and exaggeration about the deceased - as mentioned by as-Sindee in his ?notes to sunan an-nas?aaee?. -in jahliyyah a man would ride his horse and go to people in the street to tell them ? related by al-mubaarakfuree in ?tufah al-ahwadhee? 4/59. -on internet forums - as mentioned by Rabee bin Haadi. [the fatwa of Saalih al-Fawzaan mentioned in the other thread is general] al-Mubaarakfuree then added from ibraaheem [an-nakha?e one of the kibaar of the salaf from the time of the taabi?een] who said: there is no harm when a man dies that you convey that to his friends and companions? As for the issue of writing about the person after his death then this is not from na?ee. As we see the scholars compiled books whether called al-manaaqib or as-siyar and other types to do with the science of hadeeth, like writing the death dates to determine if narrators met each other or not. as mentioned by al-Albaanee exceptions have been made to the general forbiddence by the scholars. as regards the forums being from the second category then we need a ruling from a scholar but we only have Rabee bin Hadee's ruling putting it into the first category, that it resembles the na'ee of jahiliyyah. Allaah knows best. This message was edited by amr.basheer on 11-14-04 @ 3:49 PM
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