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 Daud.Chest
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Asalaamu Ailaykum,
Unfortunately, because of work, I make salaatul Jumu'ah at a masjid of the hizbiyyoon. The khateeb tried to make a point about how Islaam is tolerant of everyone, using these ayat:
2:62..Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and sabians, whoever believes in Allāh and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve .
5:69..Surely, those who believe (in the Oneness of Allāh, in His Messenger Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) and all that was revealed to him from Allāh), those who are the Jews and the Sabians and the Christians, - whosoever believed in Allāh and the Last Day, and worked righteousness, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
He became angry after I reminded him that those ayat were abrogated, thus destroying the wack point he was trying to make, when Allaah revealed:
3:85..And whoever seeks a religion other than Islām, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.
The footnotes of the Noble Qur'an says there is a hadith narrated on the authority of ibn Abbas (RadiyAllaahu Anhu) explaining this. Can anyone get me the hadith so that I can get back with this deviate and give him the proofs.
Note: I had some one look in the arabic text of Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol. 1 page 323 but it was not there.
Any other deleel about abrogation by any of the Imams of Ahul Sunnah wal Jamaa'ah will be greatly appreciated.
JazakAllaahu Khair
Daud Abdullaah As-Salafi
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| hasan336
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Alhamdulillaah, was salaatu was salaamu 'ala Rasoolillaah,
Wa 'alaykum salaam wa Rahmatullaah,
Inshaa'Allaah the following will help you akhee. It alludes to the saying of Ibn Abbaas, although it doesn't give it word for word:
From Adwaa al-Bayaan of Shaykh Muhammad Al-Ameen Ash-Shanqeetee:
62) "Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and the Sabians, whosoever believes in Allaah and the Last Day and does righteous deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve. 63) And (remember) when We took your covenant and We raised above you the Mount (saying): "Hold fast to that which We have given you, and remember that which there is therein so that you may become pious." (al-Baqarah)
[The saying of the Exalted, "verily! Those who believe and the Jews and the Christians, and the Sabians, whosoever believes in Allaah and the Last Day and does righteous deeds shall have their reward with their Lord": as-Suddi said, ?the verse was revealed with regards to companions of Salmaan al-Faarisee about whom he informed the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhi was sallam) that ?they prayed, fasted, believed in you and bore witness that you had been sent as a Prophet.? So when Salmaan had finished extolling them the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhi was sallam) said, "O Salmaan they are from the People of the Fire." This weighed down heavily on Salmaan and then Allaah revealed this verse. So the Imaan of the Jews referred to those Jews who held fast to the Tawrah and the sunnah of Moses until Jesus was sent. When Jesus ('alayhis salaam) came then whosoever held fast to the Tawrah and the sunnah of Moses (and did not follow Jesus) was destroyed. The Imaan of the Christians referred to those who held fast to the Injeel and the laws of Jesus - these people were the believers who accepted him. This held true until Muhammad (sallallaahu 'alayhi was sallam) came, so whosoever did not follow Muhammad (sallallaahu 'alayhi was sallam) and did not leave what he had been following was destroyed.?
This does not negate what 'Alee bin Abee Talha reports from ibn Abbaas that after this verse was revealed Allaah revealed the verse, "whosoever desires a religion other than Islaam then it shall not be accepted from him and in the Hereafter he shall be of the losers." (3: 85) Here ibn Abbaas is informing that the only thing accepted from someone will be that which is in conformity to the Sharee`ah of Muhammad (sallallaahu 'alayhi was sallam) after he had been sent. As for those who came before him, then whosoever followed the Messenger of his time then he was upon guidance and the victorious way. So the Jews referred to are the followers of Moses who used to judge by the Tawrah in their time.] (refer to ?Tafseer ibn Katheer? (1/182))
In addition to the above, perhaps you can use the following to supoort you. From Tafseer ibn Kathir:
(And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him,) whoever seeks other than what Allah has legislated, it will not be accepted from him,
(and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.)
As the Prophet said in an authentic Hadith (and then he mentions the hadeeth),"Whoever does an action which we have not commanded will have it rejected." [Muslim]
And here are some more supporting ahadeeth:
"Whoever does an action in a way different from ours will have it rejected." [Abu Daawood]
And:
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) observed: By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me, but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief), he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire. [Muslim 284]
And also this fatwa from Shaykh ibn 'Uthaymeen:
Confirmation that Judaism and Christianity are Forms of Disbelief
[Answer By Shaikh Ibn 'Uthaymeen]
QUESTION: One of the preachers in one of the mosques in Europe claimed that it is not allowed to consider Jews and Christians disbelievers. You know - may Allah preserve you - that most of the people who attend the mosques in Europe have very little knowledge. We fear that statements like this one will become widespread. Therefore, we request from you a complete and clear answer to this question.
ANSWER: I say: The statement that came from that man is misguidance. In fact, it can be blasphemy. This is because Allah has declared that Jews and Christians are disbelievers in His Book. Allah has said, "And the Jews say, 'Ezra is the son of Allah,' and the Christians say, 'The Messiah is the son of Allah.' This is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allah's curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth. They took their rabbis and their monks as lords besides Allah and [they also took as Lord] the Messiah, son of Mary. But they were commanded only to worship none but One God. Praise and Glory be to Him, [far above is He] from having the partners they associate with Him." [at-Taubah 9:30-31]
That shows that they are polytheists who associate partners with Allah. In other verses, Allah has made it clear that they are disbelievers:
"Surely in disbelief are they who say that Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary." [al-Maidah 5:17 and 72]
"Surely, disbelievers are those who said, 'Allah is the third of the three [in a Trinity]." [al-Maidah 5:73]
"Those among the Children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by the tongue of David and Jesus, son of Mary." [al-Maidah 5:87]
"Those who disbelieve among the People of the Book and the idolaters will abide in the Fire of Hell." [al-Bayyinah 98:6]
Many verses and hadith express the same meaning. The one who rejects the idea that the Jews and the Christians who do not believe in Muhammad [peace be upon him] and deny him are disbelievers is, in fact, denying what Allah has said. Denying what Allah has said is blasphemy. If anyone has any doubt concerning them being disbelievers, then he himself is also a disbeliever.
Glory be to Allah!
How could that man be pleased to say that it is not allowed to say that they are disbelievers when they themselves say that Allah is one of a Trinity? Their Creator Himself has declared that they are disbelievers.
How could this man not be pleased to call them disbelievers when they actually say, "Jesus is the son of God" or "the hand of Allah is tied," and "Allah is poor and we are rich"?
How could this man not be pleased to call them disbelievers and apply the word of disbelief to them in general when they describe their Lord in such ways that are nothing but cursing and abusing Allah?
I call upon that man to repent to Allah and to read Allah's words, "They wish that you should compromise (in religion out of courtesy) with them, so that they (too) would compromise with you." [al-Qalam (68):9] He should make it clear to everyone that they are disbelievers and that they are the inhabitants of the Hell-fire. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "By the One in whose hand my soul is, no Jew or Christian of this community hears about me - that is from the community of people from the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him) until the Day of Judgement - and then does not follow me - or he said does not believe in what I brought - except that he is from the inhabitants of the Hell-fire." [Saheeh Muslim]
The one who made such a statement must repent to his Lord because of this great falsehood he has stated. He must make a clear announcement that they are disbelievers and that they are inhabitants of the Hell-fire. He must also announce that it is obligatory upon them to follow the unlettered Prophet Muhamad (peace be upon him). he is the one that the Jews and the Christians know and they know him like they know their own sons. Allah has stated, "Those who follow the Messenger, the illiterate Prophet whom they find written about with them in the Torah and the Gospel, he commands what is right and forbids what is evil. He allows them the good things and forbids for them disdainful things. He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the fetters that were upon them. So those who believe in him, honor him, help him, and follow the light which has been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful." [al-Araf 7:157]
He is the one of whom Jesus, son of Mary (peace be upon him) gave glad tidings. Jesus said, as His Lord states in the Quran, "O Israel, I am the Messenger of Allah for you confirming the Torah (which came) before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad [one of the names of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him]. But when he came to them with clear proofs, they said, 'This is clear magic.'" [as-Saff 61:6]
When the one, Ahmad, who was promised came to them with clear signs, they said that it was nothing but magic. By this, we can refute those Christians who say that the one Jesus promised was named Ahmad and not Muhammad. We say to that that Allah said, "When he came with clear proofs," and none has come to you after Jesus except Muhammad (peace be upon him). Muhammad is Ahmad and Allah inspired Jesus to call Muhammad Ahmad. This ii because Ahmad is a name from the root meaning, "to praise," and the name itself means, "One who praises Allah more than others." Therefore, [Muhammad (peace be upon him)] is the most praiseworthy of Allah among all peoples...
I further say: If anyone claims that there is a religion on earth other than Islam that is acceptable to Allah, then the person who made that claim is a disbeliever and there is no doubt about his disbelief. This is because Allah has said in His Book, "Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted from him and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers. [ali-Imran 3:85]. Allah has also said, "Truly, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam" [ali-Imran 3:19]. Another verse states, "This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion" [al-Maida 5:3]
Based on that - and I repeat it for a third time - the person who made that statement [mentioned in the question] must repent to Allah, Most High. And he must also make it clear to all the people that those Jews and Christians are disbelievers. This is so because the proof has been established against them, they have received the message but they have refused to believe.
The Jews have been described as those who have earned Allah's wrath. That is because they knew the truth and chose to go against it. The Christians have been described as those who have gone astray.. This is because they sought the truth but were misled from it. Now, all of them have knowledge of the truth and recognize it. However, they go against it. Therefore, they all deserve to have the wrath of Allah upon them. I call all those Jews and Christians to believe in Allah and all of His Messengers. I call upon them to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). This is what they have been ordered to do in their own books. Allah states in the Quran, "My Mercy embraces all things. That (Mercy) I shall ordain for those who are God-fearing and give zakat, and those who believe in Our revelations. Those who follow the Messenger, the illiterate Prophet whom they find written about with them in the Torah and the Gospel, he commands what is right and forbids what is evil. He allows them the good things and forbids for them disdainful things. He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the fetters that were upon them. So those who believe in him, honor him, help him, and follow the light which ahs been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful. Say (O Muhammad): O Mankind! Verily, I am sent to all of you as the Messenger of Allah, to whom belongs the heavens and the earth. There is no true God but He. It is He who gives life and causes death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered, who believes in Allah and His Words. And follow him so that you may be guided." [al-Araf 7:156-158].
[By having such faith, those converts from Judaism and Christianity] shall receive their reward twice. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said, "There are three people who will receive their rewards twice: A person from the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] who believed in his prophet and believed in Muhammad..." [al-Bukhari and Muslim].
I have also found in the law book al-Iqna`, in the section on apostasy, where the author has stated, "One who does not consider as a disbeliever one who follows a religion other than Islam, such as the Christians, or who has doubt about their disbelief or who approves of their way himself is a disbeliever." And he quotes Ibn Taimiya as saying, "[The following is] a disbeliever: Whoever believes that churches are the houses of Allah in which he He is worshipped or who thinks that what the Jews and Christians do are valid acts of worship of Allah and obedience to Him and His Messenger, or loves or approves of what they do, or aids them in having such places and establishing their religion, and he does so thinking that is a way of getting closer to Allah or worshipping Allah." He also stated, "If someone believes that visiting the Jews and the Christians in their places of worship is an act that brings him closer to Allah, then he is an apostate."
These statements support what was stated in the text of the answer. This is a matter concerning which there is no room for doubt. And help is sought only with Allah.
[This question was responded by Ibn Uthaimin, Fatawa Islamiya, vol. 1, p. 87]
Was salaam 'alaykum,
Abu Muhammad Hasan Grooms
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| ifthikar.saifudeen
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Assalaamualaikum Abu Muhammad,
Does Shaykh Muhammad Al-Ameen Ash-Shanqeetee give the reference to the hadith stated by Imam as-Suddi (i.e ?the verse was revealed with regards to companions of Salmaan al-Faarisee...`) in Adwaa al-Bayaan?
Barakallah feek,
Ifthikar
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