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Topic: salafnotkhalaf contract with all members
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 abu.abdul.barr
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Assalaamu Alaykum
I accept that the brother is trying hard to rectify things, may Allah assist him, but I am also trying hard to understand the point of the above post. When you allow anyone to join your board, are not able to admin it properly, then the blame cannot be shifted entirely upon the members of the board. You have to accept responsibility yourself.
A tableeghee can swear by Allah for all those things and believe that he is correct in all of them. Likewise a takfeeree, and also an ash'aree. So making people swear to all of that is pointless. The issue comes back to the burden that is upon those who gave the people such a platform to begin with. If you say, "Here everybody, join this board, it is open for every Muslim , all the hizbees can join, and all of ahl ul-bida' (because we do not have a screening policy), we are not going to check whoever you are", which in essence is what a person is doing by opening a board without having the ability to moderate it properly, without screening the members, and without fulfilling the responsibility that comes with all of this.
I don't understand the last sentence, "Also we will inshaa Allah have same Raad رد
with Adaalah عدالة". Does this mean you will refute me/us/or those who gave you advice but with "justice", because you have been wronged, and that the advice given to you repeatedly by many people was "dhulm"? I don't know what is meant by this statement.
1. There was a link to a hardcore takfeeree/ikhwaanee website on your first page, you were notified and advised about that by a few people, in private and in open. Then after you received this advice, you were still asking for daleel, and asking those who advised you to fear Allah.
2. You allowed some people of fitnah to start creating and spreading shubuhaat about internet wars and also opposing advice of Shaykh Rabee and you allowed this to continue.
3. Now you made one of those people who started the fitnah a moderator on your site with your full knowledge of what he did.
4. There are so many people allowed to speak without knowledge on that board. The admin does not realise, and when it all builds up, the admin has to close the site completely and then go through the site to remove the posts.
Please take all of this as notification of errors you are falling into and naseehah as well. It is in public because your board is in the public eye. You chose to give people (any old people) a public platform, so others have the right to point out errors and give naseehah in public aswell so that people are not misled by the errors that are made. This is something that all Salafees should be happy to accept. Salafees can correct, and advise and refute mistakes of each other, as long as it is correct, is done with sincerity and for desiring only good. Imagine if everybody kept quiet and the board just continued in the direction it is going. This would mean that all the Salafees have been treacherous to you, by not wishing good for you and not advising and correcting you. This is how the issues raised by many brothers here about SNK should be taken. Many have expressed the view that if a person is not able and qualified for a particular task, they should not burden themselves with it, and just busy themselves with what they are competent in. This is a sound Islamic principle, and is sound advice. I really hope that all issues raised can be rectified and the naseehah that has been given by different people can be accepted.
This message was edited by abu.abdul.barr on 6-14-03 @ 2:48 PM
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| Northern.Salafi
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1. I will not oppose anything from the Quran, the authentic Sunnah, as understood by as-Salafus Saalih.
2. I will not speak against, criticize, nor belittle the Kabar Ulema both past & past.
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I think you should have asked one of the 'ulemah before putting these matters into a contract. It seems this type of contract is not from the way of the Salaf.
The two shahaadas themselves are a testimony to this, so why put it into a new contract?
I read a narration in the book 'The Call to Allaah' and the reference was Siyaar A'laamin-Nubalaa 4/192 in which there was a beautiful narration that someone had compiled a document in which said, 'Indeed Allaah is our Lord, and Muhammad is our Prophet, and the Qur'aan is our Imaam, and whoever is with us, then we are..and..and he who opposes us then our hand is against him..and..' So the one who compiled it showed it to a gathering of the scholars saying, 'Do you agree O so and so?' And they agreed until they came to one of them and they said, 'Do you agree to it, O young man?' and he said 'No!'. And when he was asked, he said, 'Indeed Allaah has taken a covenent from me in His Book, so I will not INNOVATE a further covenant beyond the one he took from me.' So all of the people reversed their view until no one agreed to it, and they were about thirty in number.'
Allaah's covenant in His Book is totally and comprehensively sufficient, such that there is no need for a further covenant besides it. Look at these scholars they were so humble that they accepted the truth immediately even though the one correcting them was younger. SNK should not hesitate in accepting good that conforms with the sharee'ah. All of this is nasheehah and not dislike for the brother from Sweet Sunnah personally. It is of concern that the one called abu Sara who started attacking some well known salafee websites who have been amongst the forefront of Salafee da'wah in the Western world are being attacked on your site, then you gave this person admin status on your site. So how can you expect salafees to be convinced that you are defending them when you reward the attackers of Salafees by giving them promotion on your site? And you allowed all of this in opposition to the advice of Shaikh Rabee'? How can salafees in the UK and US and Canada have confidence in your site.
Again I saw another person again unknown putting doubts against Therighteouspath and Spubs on your site. Even mocking and posting lol's! What is this except mocking the Salafees? Please think hard about what you are doing and seek advice from Abul-Hasan Maalik, Daarul-Hadeeth, Waseelatus-Salafiyyah, TRP, Troid, Hasan Somalee if he is still in America and act upon their advice.
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| abu.abdul.barr
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Assalaamu alaykum
Alhamdulillah for the very beneficial advice from the Scholars. We should all not concern ourselves with matters that have no benefit, and which are just rumours. But this matter actually is of benefit, it is naseehah, which only benefits the Believers, and involves no rumours. You have shown that you have acted by the naseehah which shows that this is not qeel and qaal. Those statements from those Scholars are very beneficial no doubt and the truth, I don't see what point you are trying to make by them.
"1-i did removed that link
2-the site is still close
3-iam doing general clean up wa al hamdu li Allah
4-same moderators are been removed "
This shows that you have chosen to act by the advice and have benefited from it, alhamdulillah. Yet those Shaykhs are speaking about that which has no benefit attached to it. So why at the same time are you trying to portray all of this as qeel and qaal? It does not make sense. You should be wholeheartedly thankful for the advice given and concerns raised by your salafee brothers. I hope that this naseehah is not being met with grudges and ill-feelings. Anyway the naseehah and correcting errors is proven to be justified and it is being acted upon. This discussion should not continue anymore. We should thank Allah for this excellent tool of naseehah. It only benefits the Believers.
Only one more thing, I hope someone can answer this separate matter, isn't there a difference between laying down rules and conditions in operating and using forums (like what anasalafi.net have done, and other salafee boards) which is permissible, and between asking others to swear to a contract? Allah knows best, but that does not sound right to me. You can ask people to adhere to the conditions and rules you put down, but you can't make people to sign and swear to contracts? I hope someone more knowledgeable than me can explain this.
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| Northern.Salafi
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Akhi abu.ibraaheem.SS (Sweet Sunnah) may Allaah give you jazaa of khair for the corrections you made so far. I ask that you go with the advice of of abu.abdul.barr and not put words of the scholars that have no relevance here. You website was spreading bad doubts about salafis and opposing the advice of the Imaam of jarh wa ta'deel and it had links to takfeerees, so it is not good to now use these statements of the scholars to imply that all this speech is non-beneficial and tale carrying.
As for what anasalafi,net put on their forum, may Allaah preserve them, then it very different to yours. AnaSalaf.net, correctly say,
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فهذه هي شروط التسجيل والاشتراك في شبكة( أنا السلفي) فنرجو من جميع الأعضاء
: والمشتركين مراعاتها في مشاركاتهم وكتاباته
These are the conditions for posting and participating in this website (Ana As-salafi) and we hope the all the participants observe them (conditions) in all of their participations and writings:
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But salafnotkhalaf states,
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SNK contract with all members
I swear by the name of ALLAHU SUBHANNAHU WA TA' ALAA, that by registering on this website:
1. I will not oppose anything from the Quran, the authentic Sunnah, as understood by as-Salafus Saalih.. |
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The difference seems clear. SNK contains an agreement, pledge and an oath whereas as anasalafi.net has straightforward rules and regulations that they request adherance to. Anyway, we have the statement of the salaf as I quoted above which gives clarity to this matter and it is better to stick to that way.
Previously I recall that you stated that sahab.net had a link to that takfeeree site you were linking to and when i went to sahab.net to look for that link i did not find it. Point is that you were trying to incorrectly use sahab.net and now anasalafi.net as a proof for your actions.
All said and done, I am happy to see SNK fixing its problems step by step, but the corrections are still far from complete.
This message was edited by Northern.Salafi on 6-15-03 @ 10:49 AM
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