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 faruq.as-salafi
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As-Salaamu' Alaikum Jami'aan As-Salafiyoon.
The question was raised from amongst our salafi brothers here in Columbus seeking baseerah.
Is there any hadeeth for or against female circumcision?
Baarak-Allaahu Feekum - wa sal-Allaahu wa-sallam 'alaa Nabiyyinaa Muhammad,
was-Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuh.
Abu' Salafia'tayn Faruq Al-Fauzani Rabee'us-Sunnah As-Salafi 'ibn Saja Huie As-Salafiyyah
-From As-Salafiyoon in Columbus-
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| Moosaa
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قال الإمام البخاري: حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ بْنُ يُونُسَ حَدَّثَنَا إِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ سَعْدٍ حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ شِهَابٍ عَنْ سَعِيدِ بْنِ الْمُسَيَّبِ عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ سَمِعْتُ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَقُولُ:
الْفِطْرَةُ خَمْسٌ الْخِتَانُ وَالِاسْتِحْدَادُ وَقَصُّ الشَّارِبِ وَتَقْلِيمُ الْأَظْفَارِ وَنَتْفُ الْآبَاطِ
"The fitrah is five (things): circumcision, shaving (the hair of the private area), trimming the mustache, clipping the nails, and removing the underarm hair." [Al-Bukhaaree]
وقال الإمام مسلم: حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْمُثَنَّى حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عِبْدِ اللَّهِ الْأَنْصَارِيُّ حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامُ بْنُ حَسَّانَ حَدَّثَنَا حُمَيْدُ بْنُ هِلَالٍ عَنْ أَبِي بُرْدَةَ عَنْ أَبِي مُوسَى الْأَشْعَرِيِّ ح و حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْمُثَنَّى حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْأَعْلَى وَهَذَا حَدِيثُهُ حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامٌ عَنْ حُمَيْدِ بْنِ هِلَالٍ قَالَ وَلَا أَعْلَمُهُ إِلَّا عَنْ أَبِي بُرْدَةَ عَنْ أَبِي مُوسَى قَالَ اخْتَلَفَ فِي ذَلِكَ رَهْطٌ مِنَ الْمُهَاجِرِينَ وَالْأَنْصَارِ فَقَالَ الْأَنْصَارِيُّونَ لَا يَجِبُ الْغُسْلُ إِلَّا مِنَ الدَّفْقِ أَوْ مِنَ الْمَاءِ وَقَالَ الْمُهَاجِرُونَ بَلْ إِذَا خَالَطَ فَقَدْ وَجَبَ الْغُسْلُ قَالَ قَالَ أَبُو مُوسَى فَأَنَا أَشْفِيكُمْ مِنْ ذَلِكَ فَقُمْتُ فَاسْتَأْذَنْتُ عَلَى عَائِشَةَ فَأُذِنَ لِي فَقُلْتُ لَهَا يَا أُمَّاهْ أَوْ يَا أُمَّ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ إِنِّي أُرِيدُ أَنْ أَسْأَلَكِ عَنْ شَيْءٍ وَإِنِّي أَسْتَحْيِيكِ فَقَالَتْ لَا تَسْتَحْيِي أَنْ تَسْأَلَنِي عَمَّا كُنْتَ سَائِلًا عَنْهُ أُمَّكَ الَّتِي وَلَدَتْكَ فَإِنَّمَا أَنَا أُمُّكَ قُلْتُ فَمَا يُوجِبُ الْغُسْلَ قَالَتْ عَلَى الْخَبِيرِ سَقَطْتَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ:
إِذَا جَلَسَ بَيْنَ شُعَبِهَا الْأَرْبَعِ وَمَسَّ الْخِتَانُ الْخِتَانَ فَقَدْ وَجَبَ الْغُسْلُ
"When he sits between her legs and the circumcized part touches the (other) circumsized part, then a bath becomes obligatory." [Muslim]
Moosaa Richardson
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سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
This message was edited by Moosaa on 4-18-03 @ 9:19 PM
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| Moosaa
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وقال الإمام أحمد: حَدَّثَنَا سُرَيْجٌ حَدَّثَنَا عَبَّادٌ يَعْنِي ابْنَ الْعَوَّامِ عَنِ الْحَجَّاجِ عَنْ أَبِي الْمَلِيحِ بْنِ أُسَامَةَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ:
الْخِتَانُ سُنَّةٌ لِلرِّجَالِ مَكْرُمَةٌ لِلنِّسَاءِ
"Circumcision is a sunnah for the men, a noble action for the women." [Ahmad]
أخرجه برقم 20719 في مسنده ولكنه ضعيف لعنعنة الحجاج بن أرطاة فإنه مدلس، وقال ابن القيم في تحفة المودود بعد أن بين ضعفه _ ص292 من طبعة دار ابن القيم _ بأنه يصح موقوفا على ابن عباس. وله أي لابن القيم فصل في ذلك الكتاب سماه فصلا في أن حكمه يعم الذكر والأنثى، قال فيه: لا خلاف في استحبابه للأنثى واختلف في وجوبه. ص321
والله أعلم
Imaam Ahmad collected it in his Musnad (#20719), but it is dha'eef due to the 'an'anah narrating of Al-Hajjaaj ibn Artaah, as he is mudallis. Ibn Al-Qayyim said in Tuhfatul-Mawdood after clarifying its weakness (p.292 of the Ibn Al-Qayyim printing) that it is authentic as the statement of Ibn 'Abbaas. Ibn Al-Qayyim has a section in that book called "Its Ruling Includes Males and Females", in it he said, "There is no differing over the recommended status (of circumcision) for females, but there is differing over it being an obligation." (p.321}. And Allaah knows best.
Moosaa Richardson
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سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
This message was edited by Moosaa on 4-18-03 @ 9:42 PM
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| abdul.basir
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As Salaamu alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu;
I would like to know what exactly entails female circumcision, from the Sunnah. For the males, we know that it is removal of the foreskin. However, for the females what is it? In my travels, I have learned that this practice is wide spread in West Africa, where for the most part, they remove the clitoris (totally) of the female sometimes at birth and at other times when they reach puberty. If you dare to speak against their implementation of this circumcision (removal of the clitoris) you are libel to get into SERIOUS confrontation. The reason that most of them give is that contrary to the Sunnah, they say that removal of the clitoris curbs the women's sexual desires. So, if anyone has some clarity of female circumcision it would be of great benefit.
As Salaamu alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu
Abdul Basir al-Yardi
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| abu.basheer.alee
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بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
Wa alaikum assalaamu wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh.
Al-Albaani mentioned a narration in as-silsilah assaheehah #722 about how a girls circumcision should be performed:
Umm Atiyyah ? radhiyallaahu anhaa ? was a girl's circumciser in Madinah, so the Prophet ? sallalaahu alaihi wa sallam ?told her:
إذا خفضت فأشمّي و لا تنهكي فإنه أسرى للوجه و أحظى عند البعل
"When you circumcise, leave a little bit, and don't remove (the clitoris) completly, for verily, that makes the face more beautiful and is more pleasing to the husband."
I was reported by Abu Dawood and Al-Haakim and Al-Khateeb in Tareekh Baghdaad and others with various narrations, and the Sheikh declared it saheeh because of its many chains of narration.
Sheikh Al-Albaani has also mentioned in some of his tapes that all girls do not need to be circumcised, rather it depends on the size of the clitoris which varies among different races. Unfortunately, I do not remember the number of that tape.
Circumcision of girls is practiced widely in the Arab world (including Saudi)in a more moderate fashion than in Africa. Many of the woman doctors in these areas know how to perform it properly.
Wallahu A'lam.
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18-04-2003 @ 12:00 AM
18-04-2003 @ 12:00 AM