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 abu.talhah.a
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Assalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh.
I need some advice regarding a very serious matter.
There are some people how are mentioning things that I cannot answer due to my lack of knowledge. But all I know is that their speech is coming from the ideologies of the Khawaarij / Ikhwaanee. A young cousin of mine (16 yrs), also has heard also read these statements. I hate talking about politics, I also fear for him so I need to advise him regarding this. From the things they say:
- There are some people who say "Saudi Arabia is an illegitimate government. Thus it is right to revolt against them. The Saudi regime is a mere puppet of the west." Their excuse is that the British were the ones who implanted the Saudi regime. Note that they do not call the regime a disbelieving one, but rather an unrightfully chosen government.
About this point I said: I do not know how the regime was chosen (meaning I'm ignorant about its history). But coming to the present situation, the reality is that the regime IS the current party. Thus from Islaam and the Sunnah it is known that it is Haraam to speak against or revolt against them. Am I right in what I said?
- "It is OK for someone who is non-Saudi from another country to revolt, since that government is not their government."
- They say: "Saudi regime under the banner of Islam spreading literature and sponsoring schools around the world that teach Islam in a way that support themselves."
- Also "The Saudi is responsible for the west attacking Afghanistan etc. Since they did not take a strong stand."
- "Why do we need a visa to go to Saudi, since it is a Muslim country and we are muslims?!"
- They also call us naive, blinded to the reality. They think we are blindfollowers of Saudi since we do not speak against them and about its faults.
So how do we deal with this? Please advise.
Jazakumullaah khair.
Wassalaamu alaikum
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| alykhan.somani
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This message was edited by alykhan.somani on 7-13-05 @ 4:12 AM
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| AbuKhadijahKanadi
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Walaikum Salaam,
Please read and study these articles from http://www.spubs.com
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| abdulilah
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Saudi Arabia and obedience to the Rulers
First of all, even if a ruler takes a land by force and he rules that land then he is to be obeyed in that which is obedience to the Allaah and His Messenger sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam. The ahadeeth are many proving this in Saheeh Muslim kitaab al Imaara. In Imam Nawawee's sharh see v.12 p.426 dar al Ma'rifah print.
You will find a chapter heading, "The obligation of obeying the rulers/in that which is not sin and its prohibition if it leads to sin."
Allaah said "O you who believe, Obey Allaah and His Messenger and those in authority over you"[Nisaa:59]
The commentators of this verse have clearly said, "Those in authority over you" are the scholars and leaders. But their obedience is conditional that it does not lead to disobedience.{See Ibn Katheer}
Further in Saheeh Muslim Muslim you will come to the hadeeth of Hudayfah ibn al Yaman (no.4761) where the Prophet sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam clearly said to Hudayfah "Upon you is to stick to the jamaa'ah of the Muslims and their Imam" One of the scholars of Madinah, Sheikh Faalih ibn Nafi' al Harbi hafidhahu llaah says in a lecture entitled 'Tamayu' (leniency which is not in its place), he said that there is no Jama'aah except that there is hearing and obeying and there is no hearing and obeying except to the leaders.
So, if you live under a Muslim ruler like in Saudi Arabia, then there must be obedience to him in the ma'roof (good) not in the disobedience to Allaah. Going out against the Muslim ruler whether you are from that country or outside it then this is from the way of the Khawaarij.
That is why as Sheikh Muhammad Abdulwahhab al Banna says "When the Khawarij went astray the Muslim called themselves Ahlu Sunnah wal Jamaa'ah while initially they were Ahlu Sunnah and the word 'Jamaa'ah' was added since the Sahaba stuck to the Jamaa'ah while the khawaarij did not."
Rather they went out against Ali Radiallaahu 'anhu until they killed him. And they, the Khawaarij, killed Uthmaan radiallaahu 'anhu while he was reciting the Quran in his own home. What good have they brought to this Ummah, they kill the people of Islaam and leave the idol worshippers. they spill the blood of Muslims and ask about the blood of a mosquito. The companions considered their own worship deficient compared to the Khawaarij for they were extreme in their worship but they were called the dogs of the hellfire by the Messenger sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam. For they made the blood of the Muslims lawful and went out against the Muslim rulers.
The ruler in Saudi Arabia is as Sheikh Muhammad Abdul wahhab al Banna states "the best Muslim ruler in the world because he aids Islaam in its spreading across the world, in Muslim schools in allowing the callers to call to Tawheed and in establishing Islaam. And you will find that the rulers here are even better than the people. Do they want the ruler here to fall and then have the Shee'ah ruling the country!!! Walaahi, walaahi, thoma walaaahi, you either be grateful and thank Allaah what he has given you or Allaah will change your situation and the Ikhwaanil muslimeen will cause corruption in this country just as they did in Syria, Egypt and now in Algeria."
This sheikh is 90 years old and has lived in Saudi here longer than any political activist who doesn't know the affairs of the country. And he has lived through the head of the century both the hijri and the gregorian calenders while the head of Ikhwaanil muslimeen Hasan al Banna (and they are not related) did not live at the head of any of these centuries and we all know the hadeeth about the scholars reviving the deen at the head of the century.
I heard Sheikh Obayd al Jaabree and sheikh Fawzaan and other mashayakh all say that we are not saying that Saudi is complete but we say that they are ruling by Islaam.
In Sharhus Sunnah of Barbaharee, you will see that the sign of ahlu sunnah is that they supplicate for the rulers' betterment while the sign of ahlu bida'ah is that they curse the rulers.
In Usoolus Sunnah of Imam Ahmed you will see how Imam Ahmed spent special care and attention to call the people to hear and obey their rulers and not to go out against them and this is even after he was tortured for saying the Quran is the Speech of Allaah.
In Musnad of Imam Ahmed there is an authentic hadeeth, "whoever wants to advise the ruler then not to do it openly but secretly taking him by the hand"
Is going out against the rulers or even speaking in public against them following the Messenger sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam????
Sheikh 'Obayd al Jabree hafidhahullaah states that fi one says they are not able to go to the ruler and advise him face to face then we say to them as Allaah says "on no soul does Allaah place a burden more than they can bear." soorah al Baqara:286
Rather, as Sheikh Muhammad Abdulwahhab al Banna said "The ikhwaanil Muslimeen want to fool the people like a scorpian fooled the frog. The scorpian says let me climb on your back to get across the water and i won't harm you as i will also drown. So as soon as they get close to the other side it strikes its poison and kills the frog."
The Hizbutahreer and other political activist claim that the last khilaafah fell in 1927 but what kind of khilaafah was it??? was there Tawheed implemented as in Saudi?? was the Sunnah been pushed out or much innovations and shirk?? but these political activist don't value Tawheed, in Saudi, there are no graves even above the ground so they are not worshipped. Even in the masjid Nabawee, the grave of the Prophet sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam that is on the side of the masjid has no extension to the left of it so that the grave is not taken as part of the Masjid.
If you go to Uhud much da'wah is against grave worshipping by supplication to the dead for intercession or others forms.
In the government school curriculum in Saudi Arabia, all students must go through Usool Thalatha, Kashfu Shubuhaat, Kitaabu Tahheed, books which uphold Tawheed and negate Shirk.
As sheikh Muqbil rahimahullaah said in the tape mentioned earlier that he would go out at night to the Haram from his hotel due to not being able to sleep and would not fear anything, complete 'aman' security and then he recited soorah al Quraysh. And he said that one of the reasons for this security and peace in Saudi Arabia was because they uphold the laws of Allaah, the hadd punishments etc.
Look at the alternative, those political activist reside in kuffar countries for protection under a KAAFIR government. Are not those rulers there clearly kuffar? so are they going out against those kuffar governments??
There is no Might and Power except that Might and Power belonging to Allaah.
By Allaah, being with the Muslims here in Saudi Arabia, with the scholars of Tawheed and in the land of Tawheed is more dearer to us and our children than to be a political activist in the land of the kuffar where your prayer is deficient, your fasting is difficient, your Zakah is deficient.
The order from Allaah to rule by Allaah's law is addressed to all of us not just the rulers so take a look at these political activists and their own lives they lead and see how the heads of them are tawagheet for they add to the legislation of Allah that which was not there. They have twisted the meanings of verses and ahadeeth rather than go back to the Quran and Sunnah in the understanding of our pious predecessors.
Allaah knows best.
التراجع إلى الحق فضيلة
This message was edited by abdulilah on 1-21-03 @ 10:59 PM
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| ekbal.hussain
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JAZZAK ALLAHU KHAIRAN akhi Abdulilah, for your highly beneficial post.
May Allah preserve the government of Saudi Arabia, and keep the land upon Tawheed and Sunnah, and may Allah increase the ruler of that land in good. And may He (subhana wata a'la) rid the Earth of the filth and dung of the Ikhwanul Mufliseen and their half-brothers, the Qutoobiyah and Surooriyah. May the mad Khariji DOGS, from the despicable Ikhwaanul MUFLISEEN and other than them perish in their rage! AMEEN!!!
This message was edited by ekbal.hussain on 1-22-03 @ 12:46 AM
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| abu.talhah.a
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Jazakumullaah khair dear brothers for your posts, Baarakallaah feekum.
Wallaahi, to me there is NO country in this world that is pure upon Tawheed, except the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
May Allaah aid Saudi Arabia and its rulers for its adherence to al-Islaam and the Sunnah, against those who want corruption.
May Allaah forgive and bless its noble Scholars and Rulers.
May Allaah forgive and bless its noble Scholars and Rulers.
May Allaah protect this country, its rulers, and us from Ahlul-Bid'ah and Ahlul-Ahwaa, the Dogs of Hellfire; the Khawaarij, the likes of the Ikhwaanul-Mufliseen, the Jihaadees, and all those who follow them.
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| abu.iyaad
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| From the Usool of Ahl us-Sunnah is that whether a ruler takes power with the acceptance of the people or forcefully (over them) without their acceptance, he remains the legitimate ruler |
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Imaam Ahmad said, in his `Usool us-Sunnah:
"And hearing and obeying the leaders [a?immah] and the Ameer ul-Mu?mineen, whether righteous or sinful, from among those who come into power with the khilaafah and with respect to whom the people have agreed and united themselves and are pleased with him.
And also [hearing and obeying the one] who fought against the people with the sword [i.e. conquered them] until he became the khaleefah and was named the Ameer ul-Mu?mineen.
And whoever revolts against a leader from among the leaders of the Muslims - after the people had agreed upon him and united themselves behind him, after they had affirmed the khilaafah for him, in whatever way this khilaafah may have been, by their pleasure and acceptance or by [his] force and domination [over them], - then this revolter has disobeyed the Muslims, and has contradicted the narrations of the Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu `alayhi wasallam) . And if the one who revolted against the ruler died he would have died the death of ignorance."
And these are some quotations extracted from the book by Shaykh `Abdus-Salaam bin Burjis, "Mu`aamalat ul-Hukkaam Fee Daw' il-Kitaabi was-Sunnah":
Imaam Ahmad used what has been established from Ibn `Umar (radiyAllaahu anhu), that he said, "...And I pray behind everyone who took over the people (by force)" (mentioned by al-Qaadee in al-Ahkaam as-Sultaaniyyah p.33).
He also brings narrations to show that Ibn `Umar withheld from giving the bay`ah to Ibn az-Zubayr or `Abdul-Malik Ibn Marwaan bin al-Hakam, until `Abdul-Malik gained authority (by force) and he took the affair into his hands, then Ibn `Umar gave the bay`ah to him.
And then he says that what Ibn `Umar did is that upon which the Ijmaa` is established (i.e. giving the bay`ah to the one who takes power over the people by force), and then he quotes the saying of ash-Shaatibee, "It was said to Yahyaa bin Yahyaa, "Is the bay`ah disliked?" He said, "No". It was said to him, "What if they are rulers of oppression?" He said, "Ibn `Umar gave the bay`ah to `Abdul-Malik bin Marwaan, and he took authority by his sword, Maalik informed me of that, that he wrote to him and ordered him to hear and obey (`Abdul-Malik) upon the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Prophet". And Yahyaa bin Yahyaa said, "The bay`ah (to a ruler) is better then being separated (without one)". (al-I`tisaam 2/626).
And al-Bayhaqee relates in Manaaqib as-Shaafi`ee (1/448), from Harmalah who said, "I heard ash-Shaafi`ee say, "Everyone who takes the khilaafah by the sword, until he is called the Khaleefah, and the people gather around him, then he is the khaleefah"."
And Ibn Hajar (rahimahullaah) has quoted the ijmaa` upon this in al-Fath (7/13), saying, "The Fuquhaa are united by consensus upon the obligation of obeying the ruler that takes power by force, and to make jihaad along with him, and that obedience to him is better than revolting against him, due to what that contains of spilling the blood, and placation of the people".
And Shaykh ul-Islaam Muhammad bin `Abdul-Wahhaab (rahimahullaah) also quotes the ijmaa`, "The Scholars of every madhhab are united that the one who took over a city or land by force, then he has the ruling of being the [legitimate] Imaam in all the affairs..." (ad-Durar as-Sunniyah 7/239).
And ash-Shaykh, `Abdul-Lateef bin `Abdur-Rahmaan bin Hasan Aal ash-Shaykh said, "And the people of knowledge... are agreed upon the obedience, in that which is good, to the one who took over them by force. They hold that his rulings are to be implemented, and his imaamship is correct (legitimate), and no two people differ over that. And they hold the prevention of revolting against him with the sword and from splitting the Ummah, even if the rulers are sinners, so long as they do not bring clear, manifest kufr. And their texts in this regard are present, coming from the Four Imaams and those other than them who are their equals and likes". (Majmoo` ar-Rasaa'il wal-Masaa'il an-Najdiyyah 3/167).
Refer to the book of Shaykh `Abdus-Salaam bin Burjis (pp.25-29)
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