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Topic: The Fitnah Network Of Luton, Hamd Hs & Co
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Al-hamdulillaah was-salaatu was-salaamu 'alaa Rasoolillaaah
Asslaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu,
Dear Brothers & Sisters, especially those who live in the UK, I would like to inform you about one of the latest fitnahs which has just recently surfaced, within the 'UK' under the title of :
THE SALAFI NETWORK
It promises its followers of laying down the true and clear 'Salafi Manhaj' within the 'UK' but with an 'added' ingredient of 'Co-operation'...but with who?
This new network which is about to surface has its roots imported from Abul Hasan al-Mubtadi' along with his friends from Jordan and else where.
Amongst their aims:
To poison and corrupt the minds and hearts of the 'Salafis' with innovated principles not part of this blessed Manhaj Salafi.
To sow the seeds of hatred amongst the salafis and their callers within the UK such as our brothers from 'Salafi Publications' our brothers from 'Al-Athariyyah' and our brothers from 'Darul-Hadith', in order to lay down a false red carpet in the UK for their callers to misguidance to tread upon.
And there final goal being non-other than to sow the ultimate seeds - which is to fill the hearts and minds of the Salafis with hatered and anger against the scholars of our time such as Sheikh Rabie' ibn Haadi al-Madhkalee, Sheikh Ubayd al-Jabiree, Sheikh Saleh al-Fouzan, Sheikh Faalih al-Haribi, Sheikh Fawzee al-Athariyy and other than them, May Allaah Preserve all of them (and all of whom have great ties and links with the true callers to Salafiyyah in the UK.)
So my brothers and sisters be warned that the roots to this fitna are present in Birmingham, Manchester, Bradford, Huddersfield, Cardiff, Bristol and not surprisingly Brixton - with Luton being their main control centre.
Those brothers who are part of this or are contemplating to serve as trouble makers for this new 'Fitnah Network' against the Salafees who are with the true Scholars, be warned that your exposition is near and your crooked manhaj is already as clear as the night and day and it will by the will of Allaah be exposed in the coming weeks and months.
I tell those brothers and sisters who are still bent in destroying the dawah in Birmingham and have already signed up to being official foot soldiers for this 'FITNAH NETWORK' Fear Allaah, and those who are still contemplating and have been approached in secret meetings in Birmingham, to 'FEAR ALLAH'. You are not hidden.
And know and know for sure that all of the 'Salafi brothers in the UK' are behind our brothers from Salafi Publications, and we will co-operate and help in fighting and exposing you and your network in the UK and else where, this network that originates from Abul-Hasan and whose only goal is to devour the Salafees and tear them apart and take them to hizbiyyah. Take heed of the advice of Sheikh Rabee' given in April 2003, which you have consistenly opposed, and if you have a problem or a dispute refer back to the Ulama' ar-Rabaaniyoon.
So let all the Brothers and sisters be aware, that just as changing the name of alcohol to other than it, does not change its reality, then like wise participating and calling to the new "Salafi Network" will not change your reality but it will be a sure sign that you are against the established callers and centres of Salafiyyah and it will be clear also that all you are attempting is to knock them down. Whether it is 'Salafi Publications, or al-Athariyyah or Darul-Hadith, and any other brothers and sisters who associate with them' (May Allaah preserve them all) Ameen....
Abu Halimah
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al-Hamdu-Lillaahi Rabbil-'Aalameen was-Salaatu was-Salaamu 'alaa Ashrafil-Anbiyaa'e wal-Mursaleen, wa ba'd:
Assalam-o-Alayqum wa Rahmatullaahi wa Barakatahu
The spot light has been turned on, daleel is beginning to roll in. Their dawah is being made apparent and their fitnah is being exposed.
Their association with the people of hizbeeyah is becoming clearer as night follows day.
Their claims that brothers (who have not sat in any of their meetings) are united in their call to splitting and destroying the salafee organisations, when all these brothers really want is to advise and if necessary correct each other for the sake of Allaah.
Their statements that so-and-so is a "hizbee" and such-and-such an organisation is "hizbee" are being refuted from the kalaam of the likes of Shaykh Rabee? and others (to follow soon insha?Allaah). When challenged then they have no isnaad for this claim from any of the people of knowledge.
When the brothers resolve their differences this information is held back from the likes of Shaykh Rabee? for whatever their intention maybe (and that is between them and Allaah).
When questioning a brother's manhaj they make statements such as ?we don?t know what baggage he is still carrying.? But the brother concerned has walked through the green channel of salafeeyah and has labelled them as having lied upon him once again and clearly stated to clear salafees : ?I have nothing to declare (because I have nothing to hide)!"
Clarifications have been made and misunderstanding have been and are being cleared up. The salafees are closing rank and uniting for the sake of the haqq whilst these people continue to plot and scheme.
Whereever they are we give them this reminder that time is short and the net is closing in. We wish for you what we wish for ourselves but only time will tell the path that you take.
With regards to Manchester and Daar-ul-Hadeeth then ask the brothers such as Abu Khadeejah, Abu Hakeem and these brothers they will tell you the situation. The brothers at Daar-ul-Hadeeth in Manchester are our salafee brothers and we advise each other mutually.
And remember this, as salafees are the true people of the Sunnah, we insha?Allaah do not hesitate in taking back mistakes that we may have made and openly declaring ourselves free of them (if necessary).
The people of hizbeeyah will sit with the salafees in an attempt to expose the shortcomings of others and have often ended up being exposed for their own hizbeeyah.
When challenged upon this, their response often being ?I never came hear to discuss this issue.? Sneaking out of it like a snake sneaks through the grass. Many people will they gather and attempt to humiliate brothers but their manhaj becomes apparent as they are exposed often by those whom they bought to support them in their case.
Yet you will still see them travelling to Luton, Brixton and to conferences organised by their ?Jam?iat? which invites those who the likes of Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee, Shaykh Faaleh al-Harbee and Shaykh Ubayd al-Jaabiree as well as others have warned about.
Clarification Ya Ikwaan is coming and time is running out for these people. So watch this space as the information comes in thick and fast,
Subhaanak Allahumma wa bi Hamdika, Ash Shahadu an Laa ilaaha ilaa anta, Astaghfiruka wa atooboo ilayka
Wassalam-o-Alayqum wa Rahmatullaahi wa Barakatahu
Aboo Bilal
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Assalaamu alaikum warahmatullaahi wabarakaatuhu
I pray that Allah keep our feet firm and increase our love for the haqq.
indeed, the past two years has been one of great depression due to the fact that a few hidden enemies of the salafis carried tales between manchester and birmingham leading to a bitter dispute.
Walhamdulil-lah, the salafis of manchester and Birmingham have come to unite against the common enemy. As our brother abu halimah made it clear-''The fitnah network-i.e. the maribi network disguised as dawah salafiyyah'' is to be exposed in detail insha-Allah.
I must assure everyone that the salafis of manchester at darul hadith are one with salafipublications, maktaba athariyyah, and troid. Darul hadith in manchester is free from hamd house, luton, Brixton, and the fattaanoon whom spubs refuted in 80 pages.
We shall return with a detailed post making very clear our relationship with salafipublications, troid, and maktaba athariyyah.
This post is from a masjid committee member at darul hadith. And this should be enough proof that darul hadith is with SP, Troid, and M. Athariyyah. Our next post will clarify more.
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Al-hamdulillaah was-salaatu was-salaamu 'alaa Rasoolillaaah
Asslaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu,
Brother abu Sagheer.imr
Sorry for not replying earlier, I needed to get hold of some important documents in order to carry on with this discussion.
The 'Fitnah Network' and the 'Islamic Network' are in actuality 2 different 'Networks' at the moment but it wouldn?t surprise us, if they came together in the near future.
The 'Fitnah Network' has its main control centre based in Luton, with the likes of Abdul Qadir and Co. being its main coordinators in the UK, who in turn are receiving orders and advice from Jordan on how to progress this movement, under the guise of Salafiyah.
They are actively seeking out all those brothers and sisters who don?t agree with the Manhaj of 'Salafipublications', 'Darul Hadith', 'al-Athariyyah', 'Troid' and those along with them, especially in the matters and manners of refutation and clarity in issues of manhaj and dawah, as they have drowned themselves in 'Tamyee' without realising. At the same time they are also looking to recruit those brothers and sisters who have had some misunderstandings, or personal differences between brothers and sisters upon the clear manhaj exaggerating upon these differences so much that Shaytaan has disguised a personal matter of the dunya, or a difference in matters of Fiqh to become a matter of 'Wala and Bara'a'. And yet you will find these same individuals shouting 'Rifqan Ahlus Sunnah be Ahlus Sunnah' yet they are the ones who are furtherst from rifq when it comes to there own personal divisions and disruptions. So in summary this new 'Fitnah Network' is looking to recruit those individuals who have realised they have differences with Ahlus Sunnah / Salafis in Birmingham, London and Manchester, and at the same time don?t want to get involved with JIMAS or the Suroorees, or Takfeerees, or there likes.
Their main recruiting centre in Birmingham, unfortunately is 'Israar' from Hamd House, an individual who openly confesses that he is a 'Jahil' in matters of Manhaj.
Salafipublications in the past have shown that this mans treachery and oppression upon brothers is often hidden. And in fact, Israar is openly known to have admitted for secretly plotting against the brothers, and he has made tawbah twice regarding his evil, this is public knowledge in Birmingham. And yet after all this, he was at it again. And let this be a warning to those from Alum Rock who gather around this individual be aware, that you too are not free from joining in this man's treachery and distrust. All of you are united by the same goals. And like one of these individuals (from Alum Rock) said to our Brother Mourad a few years ago
'You perceive them to be together but yet their hearts are divided. !!! (in reference to our Salafi brother's relationship to Mourad). And As they say: 'What goes around, comes around'.
When the brothers from Darul hadith became aware of Israar's treachery and his unity with Ahulul Bida' from Luton and his private meetings and plotting even after the advise of Sheikh Rabee', in April 2003, Darul Hadith had no other option than to free themselves from this individual.
It is very strange and amazing that this individual ran to Sheikh Fawzee al-Athari in Bahrain when he felt he was being oppressed from 'Salafipublications' and the Sheik advised him to go back to the brothers and sit with them, and to be with them. Afterwards the Sheikh knew full well the games and plots of this gang, he even refused to give them any of his time when they all came, Alum Rock included, to the East London conference earlier this year. They never came for the conference, but just to sit with Sheikh Fawzee and play their games. The Sheikh realised that they were intent on creating fitnah and tafreeq between Salafees. Yet when Sheikh Fawzee al-Athari (may Allaah preserve him) was being attacked openly by al-Qoosee, in 'Hartop Road Masjid' in Autumn 2003 where all these people were present including Israar and Alum Rock, these people were organising and planning networks of bida', Where was this man's shyness and his firmness to defend the Haqq, over all else. And if this man is true to himself and the Ulamaa then let him defend Sheikh Fawzi against these evil individuals. But rather you see other than that.
And inshallah if Allaah wills, shortly we will publish our final correspondence with this individual.
To be continued?.
Asslaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu
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Al-hamdulillaah was-salaatu was-salaamu 'alaa Rasoolillaaah
Asslaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu,
Just for the record, please see a copy of the letter (attached) which was sent to Israar.
This letter along with Israars CD was returned to him, within a matter of few days of being received. After the brothers from Darul Hadith had returned from meeting Sheikh Falaah Ismaeel over that particular weekened.
And just to set the record straight,as we know the individuals from Alum Rock and Co, are very good, in playing with words, We would just like to clarify that at the lectures at Hortop Road this Autumn whilst al-Qoosee and Co. where delivering there speeches against the Salafis, Israar and Kamraan were present.
So when we mentioned above:
"Yet when Sheikh Fawzee al-Athari (may Allaah preserve him) was being attacked openly by al-Qoosee, in 'Hartop Road Masjid' in Autumn 2003 where all these people were present including Israar and Alum Rock,"
the word 'Alum Rock' should be read as Kamaraan,in particular even though he is not seperate from the rest of the individuals (i.e when we say Alum Rock), but he was present for sure!! For they may try to twist and one may say (from amongst them) that this is a lie!! i was not there!!, but for sure Kamaran was.
To be continued?.
Asslaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu
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Assalaamu alaykum warahmatullaahi wabarakaatuhu
To all the Salafis in the west and abroad.
Some of you must have come accross an appeal for funds for the manchester Salafi school (cheethamhill) (UK).
Manchester salafi makes it entirely clear that it asked no one to appeal for funds on its behalf on the net in past nor at present. Therefore, Darul Hadith Masjid (Manchester) and Manchester Salafi School have no representative collecting funds on its behalf on the net. We advice all the brothers and sisters not to give any funds to anyone on our behalf.
On behalf of Manchester salafi School
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Assalaamu alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakaatuhu
Recent posts by Imran Yusuf an accomplice of Kamran shows denial of Alum Rock's association with the fitnah network and denial of Kamran being present in Hortop Road with Israr and Abdul Qadir.
Just have sabr Ikhwaan, several posts will follow Insha-Allah. In the final stages of this exposition, the liars will either repent or offer Mubahala.
Wassalaamu alaykum warahmatullah.
Dar ul-Hadith Manchester
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I remember receiving lots of emails of events that were organised jointly by hamd house alum rock and salafitapes during all last year until about september.
i gave them advice a few times but they did not listen to any advice or care about working with a clear hizbee israr khan to split the dawah.
the emails below are just some which I received from salafitapes and alum rock group. they organised a conference with israr khan in july co operating with brixton as well. now i have read for myself their own words that they all running away from each other and freeing from each other!
alum rock and hamd house (israr khan) also planned a conference on the same days as shk. falaah ismaeels lectures at salafi masjid when he went through sittu usool in september. many people inside and outside salafi masjid including myself saw alum rock with israr of hamd house all the time together in september when shk. falaah was here. i remember seeing them driving together in isrars car as well.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lectures
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 6:59 PM
Subject: Flag of Islam Conference
The Flag Of Islaam
Birmingham Dawrah 2003
Rough dates:
SUNDAY 5th JULY 2003 - WEDNESDAY 8th JULY 2003
Venue:
HAMD HOUSE SCHOOL
St. Oswalds Road, Small Heath
Birmingham, UK
ALL INVITED!
FACILITIES FOR MEN AND WOMEN!
----- Original Message -----
From: Muhammad Aqib Hussain
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 9:26 PM
Subject: Birmingham Conference 2003
InshaAllaah coming VERY soon
THE FLAG OF ISLAM
BIRMINGHAM CONFERENCE 2003
Rough dates:
SUNDAY 5th JULY 2003 - WEDNESDAY 8th JULY 2003
Venue:
HAMD HOUSE SCHOOL
St. Oswalds Road, Small Heath
Birmingham, UK
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one more thing, only a few minutes ago I found out from someone in Luton that Imran Masoom (Abu Khuzaimah) of "alum rock" or Imran Yousaf of "alum rock" been writing on hizbee site ahya against salafis.
This message was edited by abu.altaf on 12-30-03 @ 9:06 PM
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The Fitnah Network is Real!!
For those who have been waiting for the evidence and for those who have claimed that the "Fitnah Network" alert is made up then read below. The following are some notes made from a conversation that one of the brothers had with Farasat (one of the followers of the manhaj of Abul-Hasan al-Maribi in Luton, and he is second in charge after Abdul-Qadir). This conversation took place at the beginning of September 2003
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| You know Israar his, we had a meeting with him in Birmigham when we had the conferenece, and he met with Abu Usamah al-Khaleefah as well... |
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| Sheikh Saleem was there at the meeting... And basically what Sheikh Saleem advised us was to setup a national Salafi network |
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| ...eh, you what we will do when we set up this salafinetwerk...You know this National salafi network, when we have our next meeting, im actually thinking we should have the meeting in Birmigham because so that people from Manchester, middlesborough and other place can come down... |
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| Ive still go to type up the minuetes, but what shall I tell you, Sheikh Saleem, Sheikh Ali, Sheikh Musa Nasr, Sheikh Usamah Qoosee wanting a meet of the Salafi network our first meeting, with the Luton Shura, Israar, Borthers from Bristol, Brixton couldn?t come up, a lot of brothers couldn?t turn up due to short notice, basically. Because we only gave less than 24hours notice... |
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| Theres a brother called AbduRahmaan Sharkasi...Hes a Russian brother, some of the Somali brothers fom Birmingham turnes up as well... |
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This is proof that the "Fitnah of Tamyi Network" is real and it is the new attempt of certain people to continue where Abul-Hasan al-Misri's work was stopped by the Ulemaa. Luton, Brixton and Hamd House, all those connected to them or cooperated with them in the past are involved in this fitna to continue attacking Salafiyyah and confusing the people about the Salafi manhaj. They are trying to gather everybody together who is opposed to the manhaj of Sheikh Rabee, Sheikh Ubaid, Sheikh Falih, Sheikh al-Fawzaan, and other sheikhs. They are trying to rally support against the salafis in the West to try and finish them off and replace them entirely with their own network.
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Bismil-laahir Rahmaanir Raheem
Advice To All Our Salafi Brothers.
Upon us ikhwaan, is advise to one another upon Bir and Taqwah, and maintain the correct walaa and baraa. Firstly, whenever we differ, we should not in any way seek the aid of the people of hizbiyyah. The hidden elements (Alum Rock and Israr) showed their true reality when Qoosee (al Mubtadi) visited Birmingham. Now they are trapped and their affair will soon come to an end Insha-Allah.
Secondly, whenever personal disagreements arise, we should not seek to drag such disagreements in the dawah. Indeed, this dawah is far removed from our deficiencies and shortcomings. It is not from Bir that any brother is prevented from benefiting the dawah because we disapprove of him in some personal matter that has no connection with issues of aqeedah, and manhaj. One who allows him/herself to fall to such weakness may increase in his oppression of others. We have witnessed the fate of anti-ghullat, s4lafi and others (alum rock). They could not bring forward any proof for being upon the haqq, instead they allowed shaytan to intice them in evil, filth and slander.
Upon us is to free this dawah of our personal disagreements and disputes. We should be aiding one another upon the truth, and not allow our personal objections to the character of such and such a brother prevent us from that. When personal disputes arise, upon us is to control our tongues. We seek refuge in Allah, because shaytan our enemy lays the traps of exaggeration and unnecessary speech in the affairs of the believers. The tongues become lose and evil suspicion finds its way into the minds and hearts.
??Whoever believes in Allah and the last day should speak good or remain silent??
One should do his utmost to bring about understanding between the disputing parties. However, one should also be mindful of Allah in speaking and witnessing to the truth. We cannot allow ourselves to discriminate when it comes to giving advice or whilst enjoining good and forbidding evil amongst ourselves. It may be that you admire some noble characteristics of a particular brother, and end up taking his side unjustifiably. It may also be that you dislike certain characteristics in another brother leading you to deprive him of his rights.
Also, one should neither establish ties of friendship nor make enemies solely on the grounds of being defended or opposed in a personal dispute. Rather, in any dispute of a personal nature, one should be fair towards his opponents, and should reject any baseless advice from those who agree with him, which may lead to oppression. We do not divide into groups of friends solely on the grounds of personality clashes. Our women folk are also not excluded in this regard. Then upon you Ya Ibaadullah is to be truthful in your witness in any personal disputes.
??O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even though it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, be he rich or poor, Allah is a better protector to both (than you). So follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you avoid justice; and if you distort your witness or refuse to give it, verily, Allah is Ever Well-Acquainted with what you do.??(4:35)
Another bad quality to be avoided is useless argumentation and exaggeration. Sometimes people either argue uselessly or exaggerate to such an extent that those who listen to them become affected by their speech. Exaggeration and unnecessary argumentation usually leads to distortion in the meanings of words and sentences, which further portrays a situation against its true reality. The prophet (sallal-laahu alayhi wasallam) has warned against such blameworthy eloquence.
Imam Bukhari said Chapter: The advice of the Imam to the litigans.(the Book of Al Ahkam Vol 9)
Narrated Umm Salama(radiyallaahu anha): Allah?s Messenger(sallal-laahu alayhi wasallam) said, ??I am only a human being, and you people (opponents) come to me with your cases; it may be that one of you can present his case eloquently in a more convincing way than the other, and I give my verdict according to what I hear. So, if ever I judge (by error) and give the right of a brother to his other (brother) then he (the latter) should not take it, for I am giving him only a piece of (Hell) Fire. (Also see Vol 3, hadith No.2458)
We have spoken from experience. We remind ourselves and all the salafis to take particular care about such blameworthy actions in any personal dispute. We should not waste time picking on what we may regard as bad qualities in people. Rather we influence people by our actions. We also do not pursue personal disputes to the extent that the dawah gets affected.
We are all well aware of the fact that besides the Messenger (sallal-laahu ?alayhi-wasallam), the opinion of any individual can be accepted or rejected, as long as one understands that he does so with daleel, and not through eloquent speech, useless argumentation or majority vote. Then we advise all the salafis to always put forward the maslaha of dawah salafiyyah, and not what they feel benefits them individually.
Indeed, we are more in need of safeguarding ourselves from such blameworthy actions, and perhaps those we give this advise are more virtuous than us.
We ask Allah to guide all to those actions that gives success in this life and the next.
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Alum Rock (Kamran Malik, Imran Yousaf, Imran Masoom, Aijaz Malik, Aqib Hussain) And Their True Goals and Intentions
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| At the moment the only brother I can really recommend and Abdul Qadr would recommend the same brother is Israar from Hamd House. He doesn?t I mean this again between he doesn?t agree with some of the things Alum Rock are doing... I don?t know what game they are playing, but there main agenda is to bring down Abu Khadeejah, and they are trying to use the Sheikhs that Abu Khadeejah goes to, to do that. And I think that?s a foolish strategy |
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| ...That?s good alhamdulliah, because were setting up this network now, and hopefully you know how well do you know Kamaran Ejaaz and his brothers? |
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| Right I mean what I say about them... but I believe that theyre playing too much politics, you know, you don?t side with a sheikh because you know if you side with that sheikh he will bring that person down. You know the principle that some people use, the end justifies the means, that?s the wrong principle |
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| but erm Israar was one who always made contact with us and he told Abdul Qadir he doesn?t agree with what Alum Rock brothers are doing, this is very very recent you are talking 2 weeks ago. |
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Brixton are leaders in the fitnah network along with Luton
If anyone thinks that Brixton freed themselves from Luton when they claimed to no longer support Abul-Hasan, then they should think again. And if anyone thinks they are not together with Luton in attempting to oppose the Salafees, think again. From the post above it is clear that Brixton are participating in this new Fitnah Network.
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Ok, you see we had the seminar in Luton (2003) ... and Brixton contributed to the air, to the tickets of the sheikhs as well, so you know we are working together, they just sent us the money for the air tickets, they come up to Luton for the talks, we went down to Brixton, and this is the Shura?, and I?ll give you another example were we are working closely together, December (2002) the Sheikhs came, Luton Shura wanted to have a private meeting with the 4 sheikhs, all about issues in Luton...
And the Brixton Shura wanted a private meeting with the Sheikhs about the issues in Brixton, small issues nothing major but after (word unclear) there was a Brixton Shura and Luton Shura, well so why don?t we hold a joint meeting so that shows the level of trust between us and them, coz we would not be talking about issue which are private to Luton in front of a shura who is against us, and like wise Brixton wouldn?t talk about issues which are private to them ...in front of us, but what we did was, we said lets hold our Shura jointly, em so I believe there is a high level of trust. Abdul haqq baker hes in Jeddah now... but hes phoned me even from Jeddah on a number of occasions, hes phoned Abdul Qadir, he phoned Abu Zur?a, you know as far as I am concerned the relationship between us is very very good.
About something else and I quickly asked about Abdul haqq and he goes its very very unlikely I mean Abdul Qadir and Abdul Haqq go back about 1990 so ehm and he knows him very well on this issue of the fitna of Abul Hasan al-Maribe what happened was he changed his position from being silent on it to critcizing Abul Hasan and then he came back to saying im not taking a position... |
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بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الحمد لله والصلاة السلام على رسول الله
أما بعد
ا لسلأ م عليكم و ر حمة ا لله و بر كا ته
Ya Ikhwaan, I would like to start with the saying of Allah, the Exalted,
في قلوبهم مر ض فزاد هم أ لله مر ض
In their hearts is a disease and Allah has increased their disease?. Soorah al-Baqarah (2):10
The people are of three categories: the upright scholar, the one seeking knowledge upon the path of salvation, and the hooligan type rabble who follows anyone who cries out, turning whichever way the wind blows. This last category has not been illuminated by the light of knowledge and they have not fallen back upon the support that offers safety, strength and security?. Taken from the book, Words of advice from the salaf. ?The Advice of Alee Ibn Taalib to Kumayl Ibn Ziyaad?. Page 7
and the hooligan type rabble who follows anyone who cries out, turning whichever way the wind blows. This last category has not been illuminated by the light of knowledge and they have not fallen back upon the support that offers safety, strength and security?
This is a very befitting description of those who are from this tribe from Alum Rock as they most definitely are hooligan rabble. These people from Alum Rock are Subhan?Allah playing a game that is most surely reaching its final and decisive ending that will and has already exposed them for the real firebrands and obtuse individuals that they are.
I have known these destroyers of the Sunnah since I started practicing in 2000 when I was salafi by name only.. These individuals are very dangerous as they totally misled me and whispered to me things that pushed away from the Salafi brothers in the Maktaba.
There are many occasions that I can recall that I am now going to enlighten all the salafees on so that they can be really and truly seen for what they are.
I remember in 2000, them approaching me and telling me to come for a drive as they had to drop off a computer. I said Alhumdolillah, no problem as I was not aware of their devious schemes. As we started driving I realized that we were heading towards London. As we approached LUTON they told me that they were going to see Abdul Qadir and they told me not to tell anyone. They also said that people had said that he was devious and off but THEY HAD NOT SEEN IT FOR THEMSELVES SO THEY DID NOT HOLD HIM TO BE LIKE THAT.
Subhan?Allah, The false and batil principle of Al ? Ma?ribi back then!!
These individuals have taken the ideology of not BLIND FOLLOWING to the next level. They always told me never blind follow anyone, always go for the daleel. So what they actually do is only take from their own opinions and interpretations.
They are just a crowd of nationalistic unwise individuals. They always use to cry, "Oh the makatba never talk about Skh Badee Ud Deen As Sindi", ( rahimahu ?Llah). Subhan?Allah I myself have been present at talks where our Salafee brother Abu Khadeeja has spoken of him (in praise). All they ever used to do was use bad words in the Punjabi and Urdu language to get their pathetic message across. Even to the extent that they brought Meraj Rabbani, who is here in Saudi, to the UK and they took him around to give talks. I, when I was misguided I attended one of his talks. Not one mention of Tauhid but the same baseless and vulgar talk was used, just like them.
These people love to debate and argue with the Deobandis and Braewalis. This seems to occupy most of their lives. I remember one of them telling me that Kamran stays up until 4.00am reading about them. They once said to me that we are going to someone?s house for dinner come along. As we went there they said that they had to stop to talk to someone by the name of Saqib. When we entered the place there were people there and they started debating. Then the next minute people with knives and hammers turned up to fight them!!!
Debating, arguing and disputing are innovations, which throw doubt into the heart, even if the person reaches the truth and the sunnah. ( Al-Barbahaaree Creed point 12, page 31)
One day Ejaz, Imran and Kamran came to my house and these statements were made. This was at the time of the Afghanistan invasion by USA. I am sure that you will all be disgusted by it and see that they are fighting the sunnah.
1.You salafees have left jihad.
2.See, the hadith is coming true where the knowledge will be taken by the death of the scholars and the ignorant ones will be left.
3.Why are the salafee scholars not calling this a jihad?
Oh my salafee brothers, beware of these people , their main aim is to bring down Abu Khadeeja as we have seen from the previous posts. But Alhumdolillah, all they are achieving is their own destruction and downfall.
All they ever do is backbite everyone, even the ones who are with them!!!
I say that if anyone out there has any other information on these individuals put it up as we have to defend this sunnah and rid it of the evil destructive ones.
May Allah protect the Muslims from the plots of the Evil ones.Ameen
May Allah protect all the Salafees wherever they are.Ameen
May Allah make us from amongst the righteous Ameen
و عليكم ا لسلأ م و ر حمة ا لله و بر كا ت
ابو دأود حمزة ملك ا لسلفي
?Woe to the slaves of Allah! Are there no rightly guided people, nor those who seek reform, through which the plots of this backbiter can be hindered, and through which he can be restrained from attacking the honour of his Muslim brother?! (Taken from the advice of Abbaad ibn Abbad Al -Khawwaas to Ahlus Sunnah Wal-Jamaa?ah, from the book Words of advice from the salaf. Pg 33)
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بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
الحمد لله والصلاة السلام على رسول الله
أما بعد
ا لسلأ م عليكم و ر حمة ا لله و بر كا ته
I remembered another occasion that I forgot to mention about these Alum Rock individuals. I think after reading this, Inshallah their devious and wicked nature will apparent.
One night the two brothers Kamran and Ejaz visited me and began to tell me about a personal family tragedy they were facing. As the night progressed, so did the topic of conversation.
They started speaking badly of Abu Khadeejah and making stupid and ignorant comments about him. I told them straight away that they should stop with their comments and that they were out of order. By this time I was somewhat aware of their nature but what happened that night just proved to me their evilness and wickedness .
As they were speaking, Kamran received a text message from Abu Khadeejah saying:
? I have heard what has happened. Lets just forget everything now and is there anything that I can do to help in your time of need?
Then minutes later, Ejaz received the same message
SUBHAAN'ALLAAH look at the forbearance of Abu Khadeejah. Alhumdulillah, even though Abu Khadeejah knew that these people were lying on him, creating immense fitnah for him around the UK and wanted him finished, as soon as Abu Kahdeejah found out about their tragic family dilemma, his initial reaction was to help them
Is there any reward for good other than good?(Soorah Ar ?Rahman Ayah 60.)
It is apparent that these individuals from Alum Rock who claim Ilm and to be on the right path have not understood or applied this ayah.
Everyone claims to have contact with Laylaa but Laylaa does not affirm that for them.
Skhykh ul-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah said
?When confronting the people of sin, one must not exceed the limits of the Shari?ah in hating, censuring, forbidding, abandoning, or punishing them. If one does, then he should be told, Worry about yourself: no harm will come to you from those who are misled if you are truly guided, As Allaah says;
And do not let the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be Just: That is nearer to Taqwa ( soorah Al-Ma?idah 5:8)
Once again it is clear to see who has the correct understanding and has applied this ayah.
Instead they took Abu Khadeejah?s compassion and good nature as a weakness and continued to spread their iniquity around the UK. They knew how decent Abu Khadeejah was and that he is a man of his word, what he says Inshallaah he does. But as for them:
Three things are the sign of a hypocrite: when he speaks he lies, when he promises he breaks it and when he is trusted he proves to be dishonest. (Reported by al ?Bukhaaree, 1/31 no 32 and muslim 1/40 no112)
After the text message came I told them that I would take them to Abu Kahdeejah that night to sort things out but they would not listen. I found out through my father later that their personal family tragedy was not they way that they had portrayed it to be, rather it was completely opposite to what they had portrayed to the people.
These people are on their way to total destruction and annihilation all by their own two hands. Any harm that is reaching them is from their own dim-witted actions.
Whatever of good reaches you, is from Allaah, but whatever of evil befalls you, is from yourself? soorah an-Nisa (4):79
I have two advices that I would like to express.
Firstly, to the tribe from Alum Rock.
The example of a believer with regard to eemaan is like the example of a horse with regards to its tethering stake; it roams around and then returns to its tethering stake; and the believer is negligent and then returns to eemaan. So feed the pious with your food and treat the believers well.
Reported by Ibnul ? Mubaarak in Az Zuhd no73., Ahmed (3/38,55) Hadith is Hasan.
And to my believing Salafee brothers;
The believer is a mirror for the believer, and the believer is the brother of the believer. He safeguards his property for him and defends him from behind
Al-Bukhaaree in al- Adabul Mufrad (no239)
So in conclusion to all of the above and my last post, I hope and pray to Allaah that Allaah makes the evil plotters plots return back upon them Ameen
I pray that Allah grants the Salafees the ability to take correct positions in accordance to the Quran and Sunnah and understanding of the Salaf-us-Salih in matters of Al-Walaa? wal-Baraa? Ameen.
I pray that Allaah preserves our noble Scholars and keeps them as signposts for us to follow in goodness, Ameen.
May Allaah keep every Salafee wherever he or she maybe upon the correct Aqeedah and Tawheed and enter us All into Jannah'tul Firdous. AMEEN.
و عليكم ا لسلأ م و ر حمة ا لله و بر كا ت
ابو دأود حمزة ملك ا لسلفي
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Bismillaahir Rahmaanir Raheem
THE MANHAJ OF LIES OF ALUM ROCK AND THEIR LIKES IN MANCHESTER
?O you who believe! Be afraid of Allah, and be with those who are true (in words and deeds)? 9:119
Narrated Abdullah (radiyallaahu anhu) the prophet (sallal-laahu alayhi wasallam) said, ?Truthfulness leads to righteousness and righteousness leads to paradise. And a man keeps on telling the truth until he becomes a truthful person. Falsehood leads to wickedness and wickedness leads to the hell fire. And a man keeps on telling lies until he is written as a liar before Allah.? (Bukhari No:6095)
Narrated Samurah bin Jundub (radiyallaahu anhu): The prophet (sallal-laahu alayhi wasallam) said, ?I saw (in a dream), two men came to me??. Then the prophet narrated the story (saying): They said: The person, the one whose cheek you saw being torn away (from the mouth to the ear) was a liar and used to tell lies and the people would report those lies on his authority till they spread all over the world. So he will be punished like that till the Day of Resurrection (Bukhari No: 6096)
The Liars of Alum Rock
A year ago, Sheikh Ubaid al Jaabiri (hafidhahullah) gave a short reminder to a gathering in the city of Birmingham. The Sheikh also spoke about the manner in which to deal with the salafi who makes a mistake on the mimbar. The sheikh said that the mistake of the salafi (i.e. a man of sunnah) should not be ?carried?; rather one should give naseehah until clear deviation is manifested.
However Ikhwaan, those who organized that lecture benefited very little from this golden advice of the sheikh. The organizers were none but the tale carriers of Alum Rock (kamran, Imran, Ejaz) and those with them. This lecture was amongst the series of lectures organised by these indviduals and those with them to create splits amongst the Salafees and to take people away from the Masjid Salafi. They organised these lectures two streets away from the Masjid. Ejaz Malik relates that a khatib at Maktabah Salafiyyah said on the mimbar as follows: ??O Muslims the Americans are not your enemies?? Ejaz neither gave the name of that khatib nor did he give the explanation of this statement by the khatib. Ejaz added, ??how can this khatib make such a statement during such a time when the Muslims are being attacked??.
By Allah Ikhwaan, who would believe that the people of Tawheed would make such a statement without explanation? Wallaahi, we never believed what Ejaz related especially when he failed to mention the name of the khatib at Maktabah Salafiyyah who made such a statement. We could never believe that a khatib in any of the maraakiz of ?clear salafiyyah? would make such a statement without explanation. And even if this was a slip of the tongue, the tale carriers of Alum Rock should have applied the advise of Sheikh Ubaid regarding the manner in which the mistake of the salafi is to be corrected. Rather they carried this story to Manchester thinking that we are bunch of brain dead zombies who would not understand the reason behind this statement if it was made in the first place.
Such is the state of the people of evil suspicion and understanding, those who seek to derive the worst meaning from the statements of the people. Ejaz gave the impression that that khatib at the maktabah understood little about walaa and baraa. This type of twisting is a well-known trait of Alum Rock, as it was their tale carrying that led to the differences between darul hadith and maktaba salafiyyah two years ago. They carried tales between two groups of salafi and caused aversion in the hearts. And this is what they were doing in Birmingham, carrying tales and speaking against the salafi in their city, with similaar type of lies and twisting of realities. They tried to make people averse to maktabah salafiyyah.
The Liars of Manchester
Also in Manchester are evil shameless liars in the midst of the salafis. They are no more than seven Arabs in number. Amongst their lies are:
@ khatib said, ??do not always go to the ulema??
@ A brother in the darul hadith shora threatened to punch a Malaysian called Abu Hurairah.
@ khatib said, ?I will beat you Arabs as sheikh Muqbil used to beat you in dammaaj??
@ Khatib said, they are qutubiyyeen,
@ khatib made takfeer of them.
Although these diseased individuals claim to have the khutbah recorded, they have not to this day presented any evidence whatsoever. And when the khatib at Darul Hadith asked them to stay behind after Jumaa-ah salah to listen to the tapes or face mubaahala, they left the masjid as fast as they could. Many people stayed behind to listen to the tapes. Walhamdulil-lah, the shameless liars who have a famous history of kadhib were exposed once again. They have fought and lied against the salafi for nearly five years, and have made false accusations of haddaadiyah against them in the past and at present. However, these false accusers have always being the ones who defended the people of bidah such as maghraawi and kahlan. And even after the jarh of sheikh Muqbil against kahlan (the ameer of hizbiyyah in Manchester), these liars did not abandon him. And recently a Pakistani brother who used to live in Manchester, and now lives in Birmingham informed us, that they told him that "sheikh Rabee spoke good of kahlan", in order to further defend him.
The repentance of these fattanoon took place six months ago after years of false accusations and slander against the salafis. The main reason behind their falsehood was to discredit the salafis and defend the manhaj of hizbiyah and tamyi of kahlan. However, after six months into their period of repentance, they return to their manhaj of kadhib again. This is similar to those in Birmingham who claimed repentance from al-maribi and who claimed attachment to the Salafi Sheikhs after the advices of Sheikh Rabi and Sheikh Ubaid, but they continued in their manhaj of kadhib and fighting against the salafi in secret.
When they arrived in Darul Hadith Masjid (Manchester), they showed remorse and the salafis welcomed them with open arms. The khutbah was changed from English to (Arabic and English), they were put forward as Imams and Mu-addhins to prove to them that the salafis do not prevent anyone from what is due to them. Darul Hadith even attacked the non-Arabs on the mimbar saying: ??leave darul hadith if you do not like the Arabs??
However, these ingrates whom we accommodated and assisted decided to gather once more as they have done in several places to plot and plan. Before they came to darul hadith, the masjid committee had already established certain issues of fiqh regarding the use of the microphone, from the fiqh of sheikh Al Albaanee. (i.e. that we do not use the microphone because the masjid is very small and that Al Banee restricted the use of the mike to the adhan based on some ahadith. However, if the masjid is big as is the case at maktabah salafiyyah, the microphone can be used)
But the fattaanoon due to pride and stubbornness, wanted to see a change in order to be heard. When refuted with the fiqh of sheikh Albaanee, some resort to foolishness saying: ??the brothers are weak and the microphone would increase khushoo??. When ask to consult a talib al ilm from amongst them, they said: ??we do not take anything from him??.
But when we mentioned on the mimbar that Darul Hadith Masjid committee will use maktabah salafiyyah and Murad to go to the ulema, the fattaanoon went into a rage and demanded an apology. Some quickly contacted that talib al ilm amongst them (i.e. the very one they initially rejected), to represent them. And we must advise the salafi that none can deal with these people except people outside their tribe.
That is because they are people of jealousy who think that the non-Arab should refer to them only and they should be in charge of the affairs. And when these fattaanoon enquired about who was going to contact the ulema for darul hadith, SP was mentioned. One of them said with hatred, ??maktabah salafiyyah themselves need someone to translate for them?? Such is the jealousy and injustice of this tribe of liars, they treat those besides them as ignorant a'aajim.
They tried every possible way to impose themselves on the masjid committee. They forgot that darul hadith was established by those known for their salafiyyah after years of striving and exposing people like these fattaanoon. And when we asked sheikh Ahmad An Najmi about the running of the masjid, he said, those who founded it will run it, and those who came later and are seeking to impose themselves on the masjid committee may be hiding something worse than what they are showing at present.
Allaahu Akbar, Indeed, the sheikh spoke the truth and may Allah increase us and him in baseerah. That is because these liars started with the fabrication of small foolish lies until they accuse us of making takfeer of them, and yet, they neither stayed for mubaahala nor present the so-called recorded khutbah.
The likes of these people have caused great harm to dawah salafiyyah since they entered this land. They started their fitnah in Luton and converted it into a centre of hizbiyyah (upon the manhaj of maribi?the main upholders of the fitnah network). It was the likes of these people who established the hizbi masjid in Leister. It was the likes of these people who cause fitnah in Birmingham. And strangely enough they all seem to be connected and have ties with each other. It was the likes of these people who established masjid As Sunnah in Manchester (now a masjid upon the manhaj of maribi).
And following their repentance and after only six months with Darul Hadith Manchester, they return to tale carrying and lies. Ikhwaan, these fattaanoon will not rest as history has shown. Amongst their evil qualities is that a very few of them enjoin good and forbid evil amongst themselves. They also confuse vulnerable non-Arabs who look up to them. At Luton, the non-Arabs are drowned in the shubuhaat of Abul Fitan. During the fitnah of kahlan, they kept the unsuspecting non-Arab away from the salafis.
Had these non-Arabs known the reality of these people, they would flee from them. We?ve known them for nearly six years during which period they have caused much grief and fitnah in different places. Therefore, we advise the salafis worldwide to watch out for such fitnah makers. Most of the time, their first move is to find fault with the recitation of fatihah of the non-Arab salafi Imam, and this is what happened in Luton and has been repeated in Manchester, and it is repeated in other places. This is the manhaj they follow in trying to take control over the masaajid.
We are not directing attacks against Arabs, indeed, the majority of the ulema of ahlus Sunnah in our time are Arabs, but they are not from the country of these fattanoon. And we the salafis of Darul Hadith have been greatly benefited by an Arab from Algeria. This was the only Arab in Manchester who stood by the non-Arabs in clarifying and contacting the ulema in the various fitan. Therefore, we are not directing attacks at Arabs; rather the nationwide fitnah makers have to be described just as others are described. This is because they carry their fitnah from city to city repeating their same manhaj and causing harm in the land.
Therefore, the tulaabul ilm and the sensible ones amongst them who are aware of the fitnah of their countrymen, should fear Allah and speak the haqq. They should neither fear blame nor abandonment because the salafi is not threatened this way. This is not the time to keep quiet-indeed it is a blameworthy silence.
On the authority of Abu Sa-eed (radiyallaahu anhu) the prophet (sallal-laahu alayhi wasallam) said: ??let not anyone of you belittle himself. They said: O Messenger of Allah, how can anyone of us belittle himself? He said: He finds a matter concerning Allah about which he should say something, and he does not say it. So Allah says to him on the Day of Resurrection: What prevented you from saying something about such and such, and such and such? He says, it was out of fear of people. Then He (Azza Jal) says: Rather it is I whom you should more rightly fear?? (Ibn Maajah)
Therefore, those amongst them new in Manchester should not listen to their countrymen alone, as this is blatant hizbiyyah and injustice. Rather, they should also listen to the other side of the story and reprimand their tribesmen for attempting to split the ranks of the salafis. It is upon the salafis to make known the fitnah of these people to all the ulema, and prepare for their fitnah wherever they go. We advise all the Salafi Imams and the khatibs in the various ?marakiz of clear salafiyyah? to take particular care because these vultures would utilize every word for an evil purpose.
As for those non-Arabs who rush to everyone who calls, we are aware of their plots and their seeking leadership by the fitnah of such people. These masaakeen non-Arabs use these Arab fattaanoon as a shield to wage war against the maraakiz of salafiyyah in order to preach their manhaj of tamyi. One of these masaakeen non-Arabs said, ??I only stayed in salafiyyah because I was with an Arab.?? Ikhwaan, we leave this statement to the sensible people to judge the foolishness of this speech.
?O lost non-Arab! These people will not teach you your religion because they cannot give what they do not possess. We have lived with them in Manchester for nearly six years, and they have not taught us a single issue of aqeedah or manhaj. Rather, they have proven to be great obstacles in our little striving to learn the basics of our religion in this land of the kuffaar. Then we make a promise to all these ajami saying:
Unless you have stopped plotting, your turn will come very soon Insha-Allah. You run to SP for help when caught by darul hadith, trying to take advantage of them for your own goal, but behind SP?s back, you use the Arab Fattaanoon of Manchester (i.e.those who hate the maktabah) to fight the salafis of Darul Hadith. And the Arab Fattaanoon were asked, ??How is that a non-Arab uses you to fight darul hadith, but also claims he is with SP, and you yourselves want no co-operation with S, yet you are willing to work with this non-Arab against us?? This question could not be answered. Walhamdulil-lah, the people of fitnah can never escape.?? Indeed, this is the same game played by Alum Rock, but as soon as the salafis are united, their frustration manifests. They run between groups of Salafis, trying to use each of them for their own filthy goals. Their wala and bara is corrupt, and Allah knows best what their games are and what they believe they can achieve.
That is why you hear the ??barbar ajami??amongst them saying: ??to refer to the books and not go to the ulema is from the manhaj of the khawaarij??. They intend by this to prevent khayr and to keep people stunted at their level. We say to them ??Yes, the khawaarij do not refer to the tafseel of the ulema, but the salafis do refer to the tafseel of the ulema in their books and tapes and when necessary contact them by phone. However, those you accused of this manhaj stayed firm during the various fitan walhamduli-lah, but you defended the innovators.?? Therefore, it was you who kept away from the advise of the ulema, and it is hard upon you to accept this fact.
The Fattaanoon have abandoned Darul hadith because they can neither get involved in the running of the masjid nor can they face us to defend their lies. The salafis are not in need of them walhamdulil-lah. The salafis in the West should not take lightly the fitnah of these people. Let everyone say what he knows about them in order to safeguard from their evil by the Will of Allah.
Conclusion
The manhaj of lies of these people is no different from that of Alum Rock?s. Actually one of them from Briton complained to us about Abu Khadeejah and that he committed dhulm against Alum Rock. Our reply was, "indeed the 80 pages against them by SP was well deserved?? That is because they created much rancour in the hearts and divided the people of sunnah. Another one from Briton also slandered SP on sahab with false accusations and mighty slanders of theft, and making tabdi of people. The liars have moved one step higher with darul hadith, that is their false evil filthy slander, ??The khatib at darul hadith made takfeer of us??. This is the nature of these people, they create the fitnah with their lies and slanders, then they flee.
If we have lied about these liars, they can face us with the haqq. We have always invited them, but they always flee after causing much fitnah. The one who wrote this article will face them. They have once again failed the IMTIHAAN and Allah is the ABSOLUTE PROTECTOR of this dawah.
Let them ponder upon the ayaat and ahaadith at the beginning of this article. Indeed, it is sufficient to remind them of the severity of their habitual transgression of telling lies. We ask Allah to guide us and them, and we seek refuge in Allah from the heart that is not inclined towards tawbah.
To be continued
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Al-Hamdu-Lillaahi Rabbil-'Aalameen was-Salaatu was-Salaamu 'alaa Ashrafil-Anbiyaa'e wal-Mursaleen, wa ba'd:
The games that the Alum Rock individuals have been playing for some time now are slowly but surely becoming apparent and all Praises are to Allah. And even though the previous posts are sufficient and decisive blows in exposing the reality of Kamran, Ejaz, Imran and the others who align with them, we still felt it would be beneficial if we add to some of the experiences the brothers in Leeds and Bradford have also had with these individuals in order to solidify that which has already been mentioned in previous posts. Its strange how all those who were once connected to them are freeing themselves from them one by one and from their little childish group of destruction.
We ourselves have seen that every where in every location, from Manchester, Coventry, Birmingham, even the followers of desires in Luton, are all identifying these individuals as people who have personal goals, or as the evildoers who want to harm the dawah that is already established. We have also had some experiences with these individuals as they used to travel to Bradford and Leeds and we had some connection to them at the time when their reality was not clear to us.
Only a week or two after the beautiful lecture by the noble Sheikh Al-Alaamah Rabee ibn Haadee al-Madkhalee was given last year (April 2003) at the Salafi Masjid, Birmingham some of the ikhwaan from Bradford and Leeds went to visit the brothers at Salafi Publications. During this short period one of the brothers from Bradford came in contact with Kamran, Ejaz, and Imran near the Masjid as-Salafi Birmingham. Now for all those who listened to the lecture then Sheikh Rabee gave some important advice to the Salafis in the UK. From amongst the main issues that he advised was for the brothers in the UK to turn a new page in the book and to stop the enmity and discord between the brothers and to stop spreading aversion between one another and to cooperate with another upon righteousness.
Anyway, during this short conversation the brother reminded Kamran, Ejaz, and Imran regarding the strong advice by Sheikh Rabee and encouraged them to come to the masjid and benefit from the lectures of Abu Talha, Abu Khadeejah, Abu Hakeem and to come together as brothers. But this sincere advice given for their benefit was arrogantly and stubbornly rejected as one of them (Kamraan) replied: ?Akhee, We only take our knowledge and advice from the ulama and not from the juhala?, and by this they meant none other than our beloved brothers Abu Talha, Abu Hakeem and Abu Khadeejah (hafidhakumullah). Now this evil statement requires some analysis.
The first thing is that the reality as we can see is that Kamraan thinks that he (and those ignorant ones with him) are way above and beyond everybody else, to the extent that Kamraan even boasted that he debated with Abu Talhah Dawud Burbank and refuted him on the issue of taqleed.
The second thing is that the lessons that are given by those Salafi brothers we mentioned are none other than the teachings of the Scholars themselves, from the explanations of the Salafi scholars of our times. We in Leeds and Bradford know that our Salafi brothers are connecting us to the knowledge of the Salafi Sheikhs, because they do not teach from themselves but from books, they present us with the knowledge of these Sheikhs in aqeedah, manhaj and fiqh. So when this individual Kamraan arrogantly said that he only takes from the ulama and not the juhala, this statement is itself from jahl and we detected some arrogance from this individual. So when Dawud Burbank reads from Sheikh Ibn Uthaimins explanation of Kitab Tawhid or Sheikh Fawzaans explanation of Aqidah Wasitiyyah, Kamran does not want to attend because he only takes knowledge from ulama not juhala.
The reality as we brothers have experienced from them is that individuals like Kamran see our noble brothers like Abu Talhah and Abu Hakeem and Abu Khadeejah, and see the goodness of the dawah and they see people have turned towards these brothers and love them for the sake of Allaah inshaa'allah. They see all this and really inside they are jealous and they crave for the position of these brothers. This is why they then show arrogance, and never benefit because they believe they are too great and too high to sit in any lesson.
And the third thing that we must ask Kamran is that what scholars has he actually taken knowledge from apart from "Sheikh" Abdul-Hadi, the Ikhwani. He told us he rings up one Sheikh, and even then he speaks to him in English, and he claims this is taking knowledge from Ulama. We know Kamran to have never taken knowledge from any of the ulama of Salafiyyah, and we only see that his dawah is extended from that of Markaz Ahle Hadis where he came from and always revolves around the same issues!
This is one of the matters we experienced, very shortly after Sheikh Rabee gave his advice and we did not feel comfortable with these remarks of arrogance.
The next thing is that about 2 years ago Kamran, Ejaz, and Imran came to visit one of the brothers in Bradford. And this was at a time when for those Salafis outside of Birmingham nothing was really known about these individuals except that they were with the rest of the Salafis and were believed to know the Salafee manhaj. But as the following will show this was very far from the truth.
The actual reason why they had travelled all the way to Bradford was for the main purpose of wanting a debate with a Deobandi Ashari figurehead known as Maulaanaa Ahmad Ali at his masjid. When this was declined and not possible they then actually enquired from the brothers whether there were any other well known deobandi ?sheikhs? who they could have a sitting and debate with. So we ask, is it from the manhaj of the salaf to travel and to seek to argue and debate with the people of innovation and desires and to go to their gatherings for this purpose ? and then to argue with them on issues of fiqh? This was not the only person they wanted to debate with. They also asked about another person who is a known Breilwi figurehead in the community, and so they were even trying to seek him out to debate with him.
This practice of them traveling and going up and down the country to enquire about, seek, find and debate with the barelwis and deobandis is well known by everyone who knew of them. We don?t know where they have taken this manhaj or which students or sheikhs they have got this from? However as the brother Hamza Mullick jazakallah khair, pointed out above, this is what they do in Birmingham as well, they actually go and find people to debate with: | quote: |
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This is a manhaj they are upon and it is an evil manhaj. Ahmad Ali is an individual who has a number of schools, he does tapes, lectures, and he calls to his bidah. He is not a normal person from the common people that you can sit and advise and try to correct. He is an open caller to bidah. So Kamran and the cronies with him, they are known to us in Leeds and Bradford to be like this, wanting to find open callers to bidah, who are figureheads amongst the people, and to debate with them, we have seen it first hand.
On another occasion the brothers from Bradford had a sitting with Kamran and Ejaz in Birmingham and this was before the fitnah of Alum rock became known to the people. At this time never did the brothers from maktabah Salafiyyah raise doubts about Kamran to us and rather only good was spoken about them, and we never heard anything from the brothers at the maktabah saying anything about these individuals. Rather the first time that a problem was felt was when Kamran and Ejaz complained continuously that Salafi Publications were discouraging them from releasing a book in refutation of a book by a Deobandi on the issue of the way of performing the prayer.
What we later learned is that the brothers from the maktabah were advising them that it is not befitting that you refute an Ashari Sufi Mutasawwif on issues of fiqh, and that you should begin with Tawhid and Aqidah and this is where your dawah and publications should begin and that the Salaf refuted Innovators for their innovations, not issues in fiqh in which even the Salaf themselves differed in. And that if you refute Innovators in issues of fiqh, of what benefit will this be to those who are following that Innovator in his innovations of ta'weel, ta'teel, and tasawwuf and so on. Nothing will have changed except from the fact that they might change a fiqh opinion or two, if that, but they will remain following that innovator in his evil innovations in tawhid and aqidah. This is what we learned later that this was personal advice they were being given by their Salafi brothers which as we have now learned is correct and good advice. However, the goal of Kamraan and Ejaz was to actually complain and turn the brothers in Bradford away from our Salafi brothers from the Maktabah in Birmingham, and to make it look as if they are being restricted and not allowed to do dawah and many other things. When the brothers departed one of them returned to Bradford with slight doubts and confusion against the brothers at Salafi Publications and this was because of the nature and method that Kamran and Ejaz were narrating, more specifically about Abu Khadeejah. It was clear that their aim was to put something in our hearts against our Salafi brothers.
This is what we can remember right now and we wanted to share this information so that everybody knows that these people oppose the salafi way in their dawah and their manhaj and they hate some of the Salafis who call to Salafiyyah and also in secret or in private conversations they attempt to belittle them.
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| Indeed, this is the same game played by Alum Rock, but as soon as the salafis are united, their frustration manifests. They run between groups of Salafis, trying to use each of them for their own filthy goals. Their wala and bara is corrupt, and Allah knows best what their games are and what they believe they can achieve. |
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This evil group tried the same with us, trying to instill hatred in our hearts towards our Salafi brothers and to make us be far from them, and indeed our brother from Manchester has spoken the truth, because these brothers run between groups of Salafis, they travel to different parts of the country, or they go around in their city, and they instill hatred and separation in the hearts.
We believe this is what they tried with us. We ask Allaah to guide these individuals to make tawbah, get rid of their arrogance and to humble themselves, and if they dont we ask Allaah to protect us from their evils.
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Assalaamu alaykum warahmatullaahi wabarakaatuhu
For those of you who do not know me I am a quiet committee member of Dar ul
Hadith Masjid in Manchester. I would like to confirm from my own
observations and discussions with the seven arab Libyan fitnah makers that
the post by Abdullah Gambi is the haq.
I have seen the faces some of these fitnah makers express when given simple
advice on such subjects as the sutrah, isbal and delaying the sahoor during
Ramadan. Not to mention that these issues were simple and could have been
solved without any problems. But these historical fitnah makers pursued
these issues and added mighty lies. They have been invited twice after the
jumaa-ah khutbah to sit and rectify themselves, but they arrogantly flee
whilst mumbling insults of haddaadiyah. They are a proud people who find it
very hard to accept that non-Arabs were giving them naseehah.
All this fitnah started since they started asking for keys to the Masjid for
so and so, and for them to be members of the committee, so that the Libyans
can have a say in running the Masjid. If we the salafis of darul hadith
were calling to a hibz, we would not have asked one of them to be a member
of the trustees, despite the fact that the likes of these people have a well
known fitnah making track record in Luton and elsewhere.
They desired to see darul hadith in chaos, everyone doing what he likes,
turning it into a democratic parliament. People who have attended the salah
for 10 months before their arrival have not complained once, but these
fitnah makers think that they deserve special treatment. Then let them give
us one hadith concerning their virtues that we have to treat them different
from other muslims.
I suppose we should make a Malaysian a committee member so that he can speak
for the Malaysians, and a Senegalese brother for the people from Senegal and
a Pakistani Brother for the Pakistanis, and a Jamaican brother for the
Jamaicans.... where do we stop. Is this the way our beloved prophet
Muhammad (sallal-laahu alayhi wasallam) taught us to run the Masjid.
This is the second time we have helped these people, purely and sincerely
for the sake of Allah, yet they have not shown any gratefulness. We even
invited them back when Sheikh Rabbi (Hafidhahullah) advised them to leave
the Hizbiyah of Masjid As Sunnah in Manchester, and this was without them
having to repent openly for their sins.
The likes of these people have caused much trouble for the salafis since
they entered this land. Their fitnah has to be addressed and the ulema
informed. Let the brothers arabs and non arabs take particular care about
the fitnah of these people and their seeking leadership to the detriment of
dawah salafiyyah.
We ask Allah to guide these individuals to make tawbah, and also to guide
the evil non arab who plots along with them to gain status and position. If
they don't, we ask Allah to protect us from their evils. Ameen.
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Alum Rock, Hamd House took the Hizbiyyeen, Deviants to see Shaykh Falaah Ismaa'eel
We can confirm that the owner of Hamd House 'Israar' (THE HIZBEE) took the following two people to see Shaykh Falaah Ismaa'eel during his stay in Birmingham in the first weekend of September in 2003:
1) Abdul-Haade Umree - the Ikhwaanee deviant who is from those at the head of the Ikhwaanee Markaz Ahl ul-Hadith organisation.
2) Muhammad Abd-Dhaahir from Cardiff, who is the deviant who is with Abul-Hasan Maribee, and Usaamah al-Qoosee and he chaired the talks involving Usaamah al-Qoosee in Birmingham in Hartop Road when attacks were made upon the Salafees - this was the same venue where Kamran Malik was present.
And this was at the same time that Alum Rock, (Kamran, Aqib Hussain) were all together with Israr Khan and were stirring and plotting against the Salafiyyeen.
Important Note
As far as the Noble Sheikh, Falaah Ismaa'eel was concerned, 'Alum Rock', 'Israar', individuals from 'Ashton' and from 'Loughborough' were all one body (at that time in Birmingham).
As 'Alum Rock' may proclaim that they are free from 'Israar' (just as they did when they got caught defending Abul-Hasan Maribee) sometime ago, we ask them, "Why did you not inform Sheikh Faalah about the Deviation of these individuals such as Abdul-Haadee and Abd-Dhaahir before or after Israar had decided to introduce these individuals to Sheikh Falaah". (As always Kamran proclaimed to have plenty of evidences against Jami'aat Ahlul Hadeeth (al-Jami'a Hizbiyah) ? why did he not inform Sheikh Falaah of this) for it certainly does not seem that Sheikh Falaah Ismaa'eel was told.!! When Mourad al-Jaziree explained the Position of Abdul-Hadee to the Sheikh he was very amazed to hear the deviation of this individual.
Even though this does not surprise us in the very least, as we know that these individuals have always betrayed the trust as was seen during the Hortop Road Conference where Qoosee the Innovator (as confirmed by our Ulamaa; Alamaah Sheikh Ahmed bin Yahyah an-Najmi and Sheikh Alamaah Faalih ibnu Nafi al-Haribi and others)and the Muta'mayyi'oon of Jordan were present.
Farasat from Luton again affirmed that "Eejaz and Kamran had a meeting with Abdul-Qadir following the Conference in Hortop Road" (And this meeting was after they claimed they were not with Maribee and his hizbi followers and after the advice of Sheikh Rabee).
So we ask again where is their Wala wal Bara !!!
And this is further evidence that these individuals are involved in stirring fitnah against the Salafees, and allying with and supporting the Hizbees, and opening doors for them against the Salafees.
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THE MARIBIYYOON IN MANCHESTER AND THE JAMIA AHLE HADEES CONNECTION
Here we will demonstrate that Jamia Ahle Hadis, the Maribiyyoon and their Masjid and the Ikhwani masjid are all connected and they affiliate with each other and ally with each other, and that they are all opposed to the Salafi.
It is commonly known that the masaajid of Jamia Ahle Hadis (Ahlus Siyaasah) are all connected to one another. This organization has many disturbing deviations in manhaj. One regards them closest to the Sunnah as regards issues of Tawheed, and you will find that the Salafis always prefer to pray behind them if they themselves have not established a masjid of Ahlus Sunnah, or face difficulty reaching one. So because by and large they do not manifest clear deviations in Tawheed, you find that Salafis pray behind them.
GreenLane,Masjid,Birmingham
At the time there was no Salafi Masjid, the Salafis of Birmingham prayed behind Jamia Ahle Hadith for many years despite this organizations?s deviation in many affairs of manhaj as they had no choice and their bidah did not reach kufr. One should refer to the exposition of SP concerning the disastrous manhaj of the devious Ikhwani Mulla Abdul Haadi at Green Lane Masjid (Jamia Ahle Hadith)
http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=14&Topic=553
Makki Masjid, Beresford Street, Longsight, Manchester
Imam Mulla Hamood Ar Rahmaan openly affirms the ikhwaani false principle of co-operation. The Mulla went on Radio Ramadhan (Manchester) with his close friend kahlan together with the Brelvis. When Mulla Hamood was asked by Mahmood Husain why co-operate with the brelvis concerning praying eed the same day, the Mulla replied, ??they are our brothers-they say laa-ilaaha ilal-lah. You (i.e. salafis) cause division?? Ask the Mullah why the ulema prohibit praying behind the brelvis.
Regarding this masjid there are a few disasters:
Disaster 1: In this masjid, donations are collected after the first part of the khutbah. After collection, the Imam completes the khutbah. And this is in opposition to the Sunnah.
Disaster 2: One Jumaa-ah, a policewoman with a short skirt stood in front the people to address issues of racism.
Disaster 3: Mulla gives Taskiyah: After Tarawi prayers few years ago, the Mullah said, ??There are only three Salafi Masaajid in Manchester, our Masjid (Makki Masjid), Didsbury Masjid (Ikhwaan Mufliseen) and As Sunnah Masjid (Marabiyyoon). Guess who sometimes gives the khutbah at Makki Masjid? KAHLAAAN (the ameer of hizbiyyah in Manchester). So we see that Jamia Ahle Hadees and Ikhwan give taskiyah to each other, and its not surprising because all three are upon Ikhwani manhaj.
Disaster 3: Mulla allows jamaatut tabligh in his masjid
Disaster 4: Mulla has tafseer of mawduudi in his mosque
Disater 5: Mulla said to mumtaz from ashton, ''there are two groups of scholars in saudi, those who work for the government and those who go to prison. Those who get imprisoned are the sincere ones'' This spells out mulla's manjah more clearly walhamdulil-lah.
Didsbury Masjid (Manchester)
The foundations of this masjid are built upon Ikhwaanism. Promotion of (Qaradawi). Previous Imam Muhammad Sa-eed, an upholder of the beliefs of Abdur Raheem Tahhaan, declares Bin Baz, Uthaimeen, Al Albaanee as Humuqaa (idiots). The present Imam, Salim Shaikhi (i.e. Dzalim Shaikhi). A so-called graduate of Madina University, but Allah has humiliated him. What is this humiliation Ya Ikhwaan? A soofee from Yemen visited Ar Rahmah Masjid (Somalian Soofee Masjid-Manchester). This so-called graduate accompanied this soofee who openly declares that the awliyah can create. A Somalian Salafi stood up to refute this friend of Iblees, but this so-called graduate of Madina University sat next to the soofee tight lipped. Guess who gives the khutbah at Shaikhi?s mosque, KAHLAAAAN. (The ameer of hizbiyyah in Manchester).
So we can see this network and how the mukhaalifeen to the Salafis are all connected.
To be continued
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