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Topic: The Killing of Innocents
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 alykhan.somani
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This message was edited by alykhan.somani on 12-21-04 @ 6:39 AM
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| abusalmaan
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If I recall and I seek the aid of Allaah, last Monday's lesson by our beloved and noble brother abu Talha Dawud, then in the explanation of shaikh Uthaymeen (رحمة الله عليه) he stated certain cases where it is permissible to kill the old,women and children. If they are actualy aiding in the battle wether it be to do with the tactics or actualy taking part (that is all that comes to mind at the moment). Please refer back to the tapes as they are very good! www.salafibookstore.com
والله أعلم
أبو سلمان النمري
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| Moosaa
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I don't know how innocent a woman with an AK-47 is! Let us just say "combatants" and "non-combatants"...
Imaam Al-Albaanee said:
Let me give you another example, and I will sum up our talk with this one. I am only bringing a lot of examples here because of the importance of this point, for I have seldom found it explained clearly and properly in the books of the scholars. In the Musnad of Al-Imaam Ahmad, the Mustadrak of Al-Haakim, the Sunan of Al-Bayhaqee, and other books of the Sunnah, there is another report on the authority of Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) wherein he said, "We were out with the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) during a battle when we killed a woman from the polytheists..."
I need to make a side note here, and I hope it will be very brief: This hadeeth does not contradict the narration wherein the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) prohibited the killing of women and children. [12] That is because the prohibition has its proper place, and the killing mentioned here in the hadeeth of Jaabir has another place. The prohibition is applied to women that do not take part in the battlefield against the Muslims. This also applies to children, as they are also not part of the fighting armies...
from: http://www.bakkah.net/articles/splitting.htm
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سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
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| Moosaa
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sorry, the footnote:
[12] an authentic hadeeth collected by Al-Bukhaaree (2/251), Muslim (5/144), Aboo Daawood (#2668), Ibn Maajah (#2841), At-Tirmithee (1/297), and others on the authority of 'Abdullaah ibn Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him)
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سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
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| alykhan.somani
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This message was edited by alykhan.somani on 2-2-05 @ 9:31 PM
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| abusalmaan
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wa alaiykumus salaam
the women and children, the old and those who farm the lands as far as I know! It may be a good idea that you go through some books you may have like 'Bukhaari and Muslim' and others from the books of hadeeth. You will find you you stumble upon lots of other narrations and you will get yourself used to researching and getting aquainted with the books.
والله أعلم
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| abusalmaan
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The one i forgot was those who worship in the monistories also.
أبو سلمان النمري
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25-01-2003 @ 12:00 AM
