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16-01-2003 @ 12:00 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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Sheikhul-Islaam Ibn Taimiyyah(rahimahullah)said:  "When a Muslim is living in a non-Muslim land (whether or not it is hostile to Islaam), he is NOT expected to differ from them (the kuffaar) in his OUTWARD appearance, because of the harm that may result (from dressing as a Muslim).  It is preferable, even obligatory, for a man to look like them SOMETIMES, if that will achieve some religious purpose such as calling them to Islaam, finding out their secrets in order to tell the Muslims about them, repelling their harm from the Muslims, and other worthwhile aims.  But in Muslim lands where Allaah has caused His religion to prevail, and where the kuffaar are in an inferior position and are paying the jizyah, it is obligatory for Muslims to look different from the kuffaar.  

(Iqtidaa' al-Siraat al-Mustaqeem)
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as salaamu alaikum,

Could one of the Students of knowledge please comment on the above post.  I have heard this statement used as an excuse by the ikhwan al mufliseen to explain why they were tight suits (past thier ankles)& ties & shave thier faces while ironically they are married to sisters who wear the hijab. The sisters married to those ikhwanees are not in greater danger than the brothers?

wa salaam
aboo ibraheem

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Assalamu Alaikum

What is the benefit of putting up such a statement especially as it needs to be explained as we can cause confusion by speaking about matters of which we have no understanding.  Allaah mastaan.  Brothers should take more care and even though we all desire good, very few of us achieve it. Allaahul Musta'aan .  The need for knowledge is important and not to narrate everything we hear or read especially if we dont have detailed knowledge of the 'hukm' of our statements and it is easy for us to cause  confusion.  We arent scholars so we need to take care.  Allaahul Musta'aan

If we want to give an understanding then we should give refernce from from we got this understanding or the principles by which this understanding is gained as we are not 'Shaikh Ul-Islaam' who was able to do this while we arent!!! We must stick to the scholars and be careful with what we say or narrate as these are times in which we must take extreme care!! Allaahul Musta'aan

Wasalamu Alaikum

Abu Muawiyah As-Salafee

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Assalamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh

From a book called "The Etiquette of Seeking Knowledge" by Shaykh Bakr Aboo Zayd translated by Abu 'Abdillah Murad ibn Hilmi Ash-Shuweikh.
published by Al-Hidaayah publications.
page 31-32 under title Forsaking luxury.
Shaykh Bakr Aboo Zayd says:

..." The outside appearance (dress) is also indication of person's affiliation, rather it defines him or her, and after all, is dress not one of many ways of expressing oneself?! So be careful in what u wear, because it expresses to others:your standing in (what you) are affiliated to, your upbringing, and your taste,and it was due to this that it was said:"the outside appearance leads to (one's) inner inclination."Also people categorise you according to your dress;rather, the way in which you wera your clothes indicates to the onlooker as to how to catogorise you terms of digtiny and sensibility, or shows you to be a shaykh, a person of worship, a childish person, or a person who loves to be noticed.

So take from your dress that which adorns you and does not appear unattractive, and do not give anyone an excuse to talk about you, or to criticise you. And if what you wear and how you wear it meets with the nobility of what you carry (in terms) of religious knowledge, then it is more likely that you will be exalted (i.e. in the eyes of the people), and that your knowledge will be benefited from;rather,(in addition) to this, it will become a means of drawing nearer (to Allaah), indeed it is a means of guiding people to the truth.It was narrated that the Commander of the Believers, 'Umar ibn AL Khattaab said :"It is more beloved to me to see the learned person in white garment,"(Al-Ihkaam by Al-Qaraafee,p.g.271) i.e. in order that he will be glorified in the hearts of the people, and in turn they will glorify that which he carries of the truth. People are as Shaykh Al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullah) described them " the flocks of birds naturally disposed to imitating one another,"(Majmoo'al-Fataawa,(28/150))so beware:beware from dressing in a juvenile fashion.

As for European dress, then the ruling of such does not escape you.*

However,this does not mean that you dress in an unattractive manner. You should shroud (your outside appearance) with pious conduct and good manners, and the proofs for this can be found in Jaami' by Al-Khateeb."

*Note by the translator.The general principle concerning this issue is clear, but the Shaykh - May Allaah preserve him - is talking in the context of his country, and likewise Muslim countries in general, and it is not a general ruling for everybody, especially for people like ourselves who live in these countries where it could be a threat to one's wellbeing to dress in the full Islamic costume. For this reason many scholars, old and new, held the opinion that it was permissible to agree - to a certain extent - with the non-Muslims' outward appearance, especially if they are clothes commonly worn by both Muslims and non-Muslims.Shaykh Al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah expressed this opinion in his book "Iqtidaa' as -Siraat Al-Mustaqeem as do, amongst the present day scholars, their eminences Shaykh ibn 'Uthaymeen, and Shaykh Al-Albaanee - May Allaah have mercy on them.However this is not an excuse for those who step outside boundaries and become carried away in a sense that their Islamic identity is completely lost, and it becomes difficult to distinguish between them and they kuffaar, for there are matters for which there are no excuses for a person - especially a seeker of knowledge - to become neglectful of, such as growing beard and wearing clothes that are tight and define the private regions of the body, or that the trousers etc. are below the ankle.

and Allaah knows best

wa'alaykum salam

Abu Abbas

24-11-2004 @ 11:03 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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AS Salaamu alaikum wa Rahmatullah
I would like to be clear on the issue of wearing clothing that resembles the kuffar. Under what circustances is it permissible?

For example: 1. Is it permissible in Islaam to wear the suit(jacket and pants)? Does the fataawa on trousers apply to the suit since the suit coat is long covering the behind? Is there any difference of opinion? Can one who calls himself Salafi wear it to work if he has control of what he wears?

2. Other fiqh question different subject:
Is using a hair brush made from boar hair haraam?

Jazaakullah khairan
Umm Ridwan F. bint Abdul-Malik

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