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Zayd Abu Ubayd
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Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen: Is the Science of al-Jarh wal-Ta'deel Dead?
This was published on Sahab.Net and is a nice refutation of those the who are upon the manhaj of the likes of al-Ar'oor, al-Ma'ribee, al-Halabee and others.
فضيلة العلامة محمد بن صالح العثيمين : أنا أخشى أن تكون هذه كلمة حق أريد بها باطل ، الجرح والتعديل لم يَمُت ولم يدفن ولم يمرض ولله الحمد ، هو قائم ، الجرح والتعديل يكون في الشهود عند القاضي ، يمكن يجرحون الخصم ويطلب منهم البينة ، ويكون - أيضًا - في الرواية ، وقد سمعنا قراءة إمامنا قول الله تعالى : ( يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنْ جَاءَكُمْ فَاسِقٌ بِنَبَإٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوا ) .
فالجرح والتعديل لا يزال باقيًا ما دام نوع الإنسان باقيًا ، ما دام نوع الإنسان باقيًا ؛ فالجرح والتعديل باقيًا . لكن أنا أخشى أن يقول قائل : إن هذا الإنسان مجروح وليس بمجروح فيتخذ من هذه الفتوى وسيلة لنشر معايب الخلق .
ولهذا أقول : إذا كان في شخص عيب ما ، فإن اقتضت المصلحة ، أو الحاجة ، أو الضرورة إلى بيانه . فلا بأس به ، لا بأس من بيانه ، ولكن الأحسن أن يقول : بعض الناس يفعل كذا ، بعض الناس يقول كذا ، لسببين :
السبب الأول : أن يسلم من قضية التعيين .
والسبب الثاني : أن يكون هذا الْحكم شاملا له ولغيره .
إلا إذا رأينا شخصًا معينًا قد فُتِن الناس به ، وهو يدعو إلى بِدْعة أو إلى ضلالة ، فحينئذ لا بد من التعيين حتى لا يغتر الناس به
http://www.manhaj.com/manhaj/articles/gcadj-shaykh-ibn-uthaymeen-is-the-science-of-al-jarh-wal-tadeel-dead.cfm
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To read what Allaamah Ahmad an-Najmi rahimahullaah has mentioned regarding Jarh wa Ta'deel please click [url=http://www.fatwaislam.com/fis/index.cfm?scn=fd&ID=320]here[/url] and [url=http://www.fatwaislam.com/fis/index.cfm?scn=fd&ID=319]here[/url].
To read what [url=http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=19&Topic=8175]Shaykh Muhammad bin Haadi[/url] has mentioned regarding Jarh wa Ta'deel please click [url=http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=9&Topic=3762]here[/url] and see the answers to questions 8 & 9 [url=http://spubs.com/sps/sp.cfm?subsecID=MNJ01&articleID=MNJ010002&articlePages=1]here[/url].
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Some doubts that are spread regarding this topic are- Jarh wat-Ta'deel of today has no connection to the Jarh wat-Ta'deel of the past
- Al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel exists today, but it has changed its direction and is done for the wrong reasons
Here is a refutation of these claims that was praised by - [url=http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=6&Topic=5527&sortby=desc]Shaykh Rabee' ibn Haadi al-Madkhalee[/url]
- [url=http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=19&Topic=7874]Shaykh Hishaam al-Aarif[/url]
- [url=http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=19&Topic=7856]Shaykh Ahmad bin 'Umar Baazmoul[/url]
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Shaykh Muhamad ibn Abdulwahab al Bana(Rahimuhullah)
Born in year 1333H(1916)
He used to teach at the Islamic University an in the Prophet's(sallallahu alayhi ue salam) Mosque
The Shaykh(rahimullah) has said:
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The Imaam of Jarh wa Ta'diel is ower trustworthy reliable brother Rabee ibn Hadee,Wallahi.
Imaam of jarh we ta'diel of 14e century.
Allah sends at the head of every century someone that will reform this religion
And the reformer of Jarh we ta'diel with justice and trustworthiness and all safety,by Allah is Rabee ibn Hadi.
And i challenge everyone who says that he speaks without evidence.
Ma shaa Allah , may Allah preserve shaykh Rabee
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For a quote from Haafidh al-Hakamee (رحمه الله) please read pg. 7 of [url=http://sunnahpublishing.net/modules/Manhaj/tanbeehulfateen2.pdf]this[/url] pdf.
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Ash-Shaykh Abdul Muhsin aal Obeikan hafidhahullah replies to a question regarding the Science of Jarh wa ta'adeel [url=http://al-obeikan.com/show_fatwa/679.html]here[/url].
It would be good if one of the brothers/sisters can translate it. BaarakAllahu feekum.
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Click here to listen(Arabic-English) how [url=http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=19&Topic=9388]Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Saalih al-'Uthaymeen[/url] rahimahullah Clarifies that al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel Exists in Current Times -
The noble Scholar, the Faqeeh, al-'Allaamah al-'Uthaymeen is asked a question about the science of al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel (disparagement and appraisal) being dead in our times and no longer being in existence. He clarifies that al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel is not sick, nor is it buried, nor is it dead. Rather, he explains that al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel still exists in the Sharee'ah courts, in the books of hadeeth and in warning against the people of innovation and misguidance.
BENEFIT: The noble Scholar is asked about al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel in modern times and he affirms that, not only is al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel recorded in the books of hadeeth, but it also exists today in the Sharee'ah courts and it exists today in refuting and warning against the callers to innovation and misguidance. So take note, O Sunnee, and do not be fooled by the doubts of al-Halabee, 'Ar'oor, Maghraawee, Huwaynee and Hassaan and their followers who say that al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel no longer exists or has changed it's course!
Al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel will Remain until the Day of Judgement
The muhaddith of Yemen, [url=http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=19&Topic=9259]Imaam Muqbil Ibn Haadee al-Waadi'ee[/url] (d.1421H) was asked, "And the one who says that it (i.e. al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel) ended along with the time of the narrators of hadeeth?? He answered, 'Those who say that it ended ? O brothers ? they know that they are majroohoon (disparaged). For this reason, they do not want anyone to speak about al-Jarh wat-Ta?deel." Refer to the cassette, as-Seeratudh-Dhaatiyyah of Muqbil Ibn Haadee al-Waadi'ee.
And [url=http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=6&Topic=5527&srow=1&erow=20]Shaykh Rabee' al-Madkhalee[/url] said, "And the time of narrations ended in the third generation. So why did Ibn Taymiyyah raise the banner of criticism (an-naqd) and the banner of al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel?! Likewise, so did adh-Dhahabee, Ibnul-Qayyim, Ibn Katheer, Ibn Hajr and others and they will continue until the Day of Judgement! As long as there is this fight between the truth and falsehood and between the guidance and misguidance and between the people of the truth and falsehood and between the people of guidance and the misguidance, then it is inevitable that the swords of criticism and al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel be unsheathed against the people of falsehood.? Refer to As'ilah Abee Rawaahah al-Manhajiyyah (p. 26).
[url=http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=19&Topic=9323]Shaykh Muhammad Ibn 'Umar Baazmool[/url] said, "[url=http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=19&Topic=8251]Shaykh al-Albaanee[/url] is a sign from the signs in these times with regards to hadeeth. [url=http://www.sunnahpublishing.net/audio/albaaneeonrabee.wma]He described Shaykh Rabee' as the flag-bearer of al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel in these times!![/url] So if this description was inapplicable, Shaykh al-Albaanee would have been the foremost of the people in opposing it and not applying it to a man living in these times, because he (i.e. al-Albaanee) is from the specialists in this field.? Refer to the cassette, al-Ajwibatul-Manhajiyyah 'alal-As'ilatis-Salafiyyatil-Leebiyyah.
Please click [url=http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=9&Topic=7515]here[/url] for a detailed reply of [url=http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=19&Topic=2388]Shaykh Ubayd al-Jabiri[/url] hafidhahullah to a question regarding Jarh wat-Ta'deel.
Further click [url=http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=9&Topic=7804]here[/url] for more on this topic.
source: Primarily based on the email received on SunnahPublishing yahoogroup
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Allamah Zayd al-Madkhalee speaks on Jarh wa Ta'adeel in our times [url=http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/downloads/pdf/BDH050005.pdf]here[/url].
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The following is a summary translation taken from Rabee.net
http://rabee.net/show_fatwa.aspx?id=128
Does Jarh wa tadeel still exist today? By Sheikh Rabee
(Translatorýs note: jarh wa tadeel is the science of criticizing and praising)
Question: Some of the Scholars have mentioned that the science of jarh wa tadeel was specific to the time period of narrators, but now in the year 1420 there is nothing called jarh wa tadeel, so what is the correct position concerning this?
Sheikh Rabee: This, I swear by Allah is mockery, this from the things that make you laugh and make you cry, that speech such as this should be said. When the bida increases and the disbelief increases and the Secularists, the Communist, the Rafida, the Sufis and the misguided groups increase, they hinder Islam and the people are given free rein to do as the like and they can say whatever they like and there is no one to say this is wrong or this is evil nor anyone to say this one is a trouble maker and this one is a doer of good?
This is a loss and a lack of understanding in the religion of Allah the Mighty and Majestic. So the Salaf (Pious Predecessors) authored books in Aqeedah and in these books they criticized the people of innovation and misguidance and the called them by name, the individuals and the groups; so has this ended also?
And we say; verily the innovators that were present during the time of the Salaf, they were contested and criticized and their misguidance was made clear, and now itýs not permissible, itýs haram, now speaking against the people of bida is haram and speech against the secularist is haram and speech against the heretics and speech against the Rafida is haram and speech against the Sufis is haram? Masha Allah, is this a call to uniting the religions or what? We seek Allahýs forgiveness and repent to Him, this is misguidance, it is obligatory that jarh wa tadeel remain to defend the religion of Allah and the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah until the Day of Judgment. And to withdraw the swords is more than that, in order to make the statement of Allah the Blessed and Exalted the highest, and to defend against disbelief and falsehood.
And the Salaf used to say, ýverily defending the Sunnah is better than fighting with the swordý, and defending the Sunnah is done with jarh wa tadeel.
And in line with this I say to you, Verily Al Hakim (Abu Abdullah Muhammad ibn Abdullah al-Hakim al-Nishaburi) may Allah have mercy upon him, in his book ýknowing the science of hadithý said, and his speech is the truth, ýjarh wa tadeel is two sciencesý the science of jarh (criticizing) and it is an independent science and this refutes the false minhaj of mentioning the good with the bad. The science of jarh is an independent science, and for this reason many of the Imams wrote books with just jarh (criticizing) in them. They specified these books with jarh such as Bukari in his book ýthe weak narratorsý and An Nasaai in his book ýAl Matrukeený
And ibn Haban in his book ýAl Majruheený and ibn Adi in his book ýAl Kaamilý and in a like fashion Ad Dhabi and ibn Hajr and other than them, many others have authored works specifically in the field of criticizing because it is an independent science. And this breaks the back of the minhaj of mentioning the good along with the bad and it breaks the back of the people who follow this minhaj.
And other Imams authored books about reliable narrators, such as ýthe reliable narrators by Al Ajaliý and ýthe reliable narrators by ibn Habaný, have you understood this? If the Salaf believed that jarh wa tadeel was two separate sciences then how can there be mentioning the good along with the bad? One of them would author a book specifically in criticizing and there would not be in it any opening for mentioning the good along with the bad, have you understood this, may Allah bless you.
Jarh wa tadeel remains until the Day of Judgment, so when the people want to benefit from this scholar we say, this is a noble scholar upon the Sunnah, giving him recommendations; may Allah bless you.
And this scholar is a Rafida, this one is a Sufi he says that Allah is one with His creation, this one is a secularist, this one is communist hiding behind Islam, this one is like this, and this one is like that.
It is obligatory upon you to make this clear this is an obligation and it is from jihad and it will not cease and it is not specific for the narrators.
And when Tirmidhi mentioned in ýAl Ellaý the one that is at the end of his Sunan he said this knowledge, meaning that the people were condemning the Scholars who criticize hadith, he said surely so and so has been criticized and so and so has criticized Mubud Al Jahni and so and so has criticized Jaabir Al Jafy, therefore he began with the people of bida, why; because this was to criticize his bida not because he was a narrator.
Then the Salaf authored books to refute the people of bida like we have mentioned and they did not specify jarh wa tadeel for the narrators only, the innovator is never from the people of hadith. The mutazali, the jahmi, the Murji and the rest of them have no connection to the narrators, rather they are innovators so they were criticized.
So from where do they say that the door for jarh wa tadeel has been closed? This is like the call of those who are bigoted towards the madhabs. They say the door for Ijtihad has been closed since the second generation, and some of them say since the third and some say since the fourth, meaning it is finished. Allah the Mighty and Majestic paralyzed the intellects of the Muslims from that time until now, their minds are paralyzed and they are not able to understand the speech of Allah or the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah peace and blessings are upon him. This judgment is unfair and a lie against Allah the Blessed and Exalted.
And in a like fashion is the slander of the one who says, jarh wa tadeel has ended and its doors have been closed This I swear by Allah is a crime against Islam, fear Allah my brother donýt block the door of jarh wa tadeel; and the people of truth and the people of the Sunnah will not listen to you.
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