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Question from Aqeel Walker to Shaikh Ahmad Bazmool concerning students of knowledge and Daa?ees who recant from deviance or mistakes, and affirm Salafiyyah: How do we treat them?

Question of Aqeel: Oh Shaikh, I have a question concerning a man who studied with the people of innovation, maybe in some Islamic University or College with the people of innovation (Bid?ah) or sectarian partisanship (Hizbiyyah). Then after this he repented to Allaah, and he recanted from this innovation and became a man of the Sunnah and a Salafee. Then after that he began calling to the Salafee Manhaj (methodology). Then after this the matter became exposed (to the people) that years ago or a long time ago he was amongst the people of innovation and that he had studied amongst them. Then after this the people began speaking against him and saying that he has some things of Hizbiyyah (sectarian partisanship) with him and so forth, but they do not have any proof for that. And this man openly before the people he calls to the Salafee Manhaj and he teaches the people from the books of Ahlus-Sunnah. And after he had sat with the people of innovation he traveled to Saudi Arabia and sat with scholars like Saalih Al-Fawzaan, Shaikh ?Abdul-?Azeez Aal Ash-Shaikh, the head Muftee (of Saudi Arabia), ?Abdus-Salaam Burjis, and Shaikh Saalih Aal Ash-Shaikh and a number of the people of knowledge in the Kingdom. Then after all of this he returned to America calling to Salafiyyah. So should we take from him that which he is upon now or do we speak against him and warn the people against him because previously he was from the people of innovation?


Answer of Shaikh Ahmad: We say firstly, we say to these people who speak against this man because he used to be with the people of innovation and they attribute to him some things, like Hizbiyyah, for example, we say to them fine? if a disbelieving man accepts Islaam, (the Shaikh repeats) a disbelieving man accepts Islaam, and becomes good in his Islaam, and he learns and calls to Allaah, do you take knowledge from him or do you warn against him because he used to be with the disbelievers? The answer with no doubt is that if he learns (Islaam) and becomes good in his Islaam (i.e. practicing it well), and the people of knowledge testify for him that he has some knowledge, then we benefit from him. Likewise the man who used to be with the people of innovation, and he stopped sitting with them, and he ascribes himself to the Salafee Manhaj and calls to it, that man we take knowledge from him. Because many of the people of innovation, when they repented and returned to the truth, the Salaf took (knowledge) from them. Many of the people of innovation, when they repented and returned to the truth, the Salaf would take from them (he repeated it again), and they loved them, and mentioned them in their books, and they conveyed their statements and they defended them. So if a person repents from innovation and its people, then this is something that contains an abundance of good. It is obligatory that we not reject him, (he repeats) that we NOT reject him. This is the first matter.


The second matter is that this man who was with the people of innovation, then he ends up being with the Salafees, we say that his ascribing himself to the Salafee Manhaj and his calling to the Salafee Manhaj, this is to be accepted from him. And if there appears anything evident from his statements or actions that is in agreement with innovation and Hizbiyyah, then with that ? and this is if it becomes apparently clear, like maybe it is something seen or some actions that are reported from him (that he did), that he is calling to innovation or Hizbiyyah ? then with that we warn against him. However, simply due to claims without any proof and no accompanying evidences, then this is not permissible (i.e. to speak against him in this case). This is not permissible. It is obligatory upon the person (who speaks against such a man) to fear Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic. He should not speak against people unless there is some proof or some accompanying evidences that show that this man is calling to innovation or to Hizbiyyah. So if there is something that appears to be incorrect, and a person is a student of knowledge, meaning the person who recognizes these matters (i.e. deviances or mistakes) is a student of knowledge, then he is to go to a scholar and he says, "what do you think about someone who does such and such?" And the scholar will clarify for him if this is innovation or not, or if this is Hizbiyyah or not Hizbiyyah. Because some people think some things are Hizbiyyah and they are really not Hizbiyyah, and they think that something is innovation and it is really not innovation. So for this reason returning matters back to the scholars in the likes of these matters, that is the Manhaj (methodology) of the Salaf. Returning to the scholars in the likes of these affairs, that is the methodology of the Salaf. So if you say, "what is the proof for this?" We say to this that it is reported in Saheeh Muslim that two men came to Ibn ?Umar (radhiyallaahu ?anhumaa) and asked him about someone who says, or rather someone who speaks (denying) the Qadr (Allaah?s Decree). So they were uncertain about this type of man, so Ibn ?Umar (radhiyallaahu ?anhumaa) clarified for them that this is an innovation. And likewise Imaam Ahmad; the questioner used to come to him and say, "Oh Imaam, what is your view or what do you say concerning someone who says such and such, or such and such?" So sometimes he would say, "That person is a heretic", or "This person is an innovator", or sometimes he would say, "There?s no harm in that." So therefore, from the methodology of the Salaf is to refer matters to the scholars. Also, from the methodology of the Salaf is to accept the statement of the scholars in Jarh and Ta?deel (the science of disparaging and praising), (he repeats) accepting the statement of the scholars in Jarh and Ta?deel. This means that some people today or some of those lesser Salafees ? with much regret ? if a scholar speaks who is known for his knowledge and his piety, and he is known for his knowledge of Jarh and Ta?deel, and the scholars testify to that for him, if he speaks against some people, some students of knowledge will reject the statement of this scholar with no proof and no evidence. They do not accept it, due to Tahazzub (party zealotry and partisanship) so therefore they fall into Hizbiyyah. So be careful of both matters. Is it clear?


Aqeel: Yes, it?s clear.


Source: A recorded session with the Shaikh held at Masjid As-Salaf is-Saalih, Tuesday afternoon on October 15, 2002.

Translation by Aqeel Walker, recorded session available at Masjid As-Salaf is-Saalih bookstore.



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Jazaakallaahu khairan for providing this knowledge.

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Just trying out a variation of your signature alatharee, to keep up with the times!

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