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Bismillahirrahmaanirraheem!


Assalaamuaalaikum wa rahmathullahi wa barakaathuhu!

All Praises and thanks be to Allah, the Rabb of Aalameen,may peace and prayers be upon  the Prophet (sallallahu alaihiwa sallam), his family, his companions and all those who follow him till the Day of Ressurrection.

'Alee ibn Abee Khaalid said: I said to Ahmad, "This old man, referring to an old man who was present with us and was a neighbour of mine - I have warned him against a person, but he would like to hear your saying about him, al-Harith al-Qaseer (meaning Haarith al-Muhaasibee) and you saw me with him  many years ago and you said to me, 'Do not sit with him  and do not speak to him'. I have not spoken to him from then until now, but this old man sits with him. What do you say about him(i.e. the innovator)?" I saw that Ahmad became red, his veins and his eyes swelled. I have never seen him like that before.Then he shuddered and said, "That is one to whom Allah has done such and such.No one knows that except one who is fully acquainted with him.Alas! Alas! Alas! He is the one not known, except to one fully acquainted with him. He was the one whom al-Maghaazilee sat with and Ya'qoob and so and so. He  lead them to having the views of Jahm.They were destroyed through him." So, the old man said, "O Abu `Abdullah! He narrates hadeeth, displays dignity and fearfulness. He is such and such." Aboo `Abdullah became angry and said,
"Do not be fooled by his fearfullness, nor his gentleness.This will not be
known except by one well acquainted with him. Do not sit with him, for there is no honour for him. Will you sit with everyone who narrated the ahadeeth of Messenger of Allah (Sallallahu `Alaihi wa Sallam ) and is an innovator?!"

{Related by al-Laalikaa'ee (no. 263) and Ibn Battah (no. 439).}

refer to the link below http://www.troid.org/articles/manhaj/innovation/whatisinnovation/refutationandcriticism.pdf.


The second Shaikh of Al Islam, relates from introduction of Imam Ahmad's book, who said,
"All praise be to Allaah who placed in every era, after the period of the messengers, remnants from the people of knowledge, who call those who deviated to guidance and who have patience with their harm. And with the Book of Allaah, they revive the dead and with the light of Allaah, they cause the blind to see. So how many people, whom the Devil has killed, have they revived?
And how many people, who were lost and astray have they guided? So what a great effect do they have upon the people! And what an ugly effect do the people have on them! They (i.e. the scholars) take away from the Book of Allaah, the distortions of the extremists, the false claims of the liars and the wrong interpretations of the ignorant - those who hold high the banners of innovation and unleash the outbreaks of mischief (fitnah). So they are in disagreement with the Qur'aan, they are in opposition to the Qur'aan and they unanimously agree with one another to withdraw themselves from the Qur'aan. They say things about Allaah and about the Book of Allaah without knowledge. They talk about the ambiguous matters in speech and they deceive the ignorant people on matters that are obscure to them. We seek refuge in Allaah from the fitan (trials) of the misguided ones."

[See `Ilaam al Muwaqqi'een of Ibn Al Quayyim Al Jawziyyah (rahimahullah) ,
chapter 'Virtues of Muhadditheen' Volume no. 1, Urdu Translation by Muhammad Junagadi (rahimahullah);
See the Introduction to Imam Ahmad's book "Ar-Radd 'Alaal-Jahmiyyah waz-Zanaadiqah"].

Last year in December a speech was organized which was exclusively against the salafees (those who have turned to the way of the salaf) of Bangalore in which the speaker Zafar ul Hasan from U.A.E spoke on number of issues which you can read below Insha Allah.

Before this I wanted to clarify that none of the salafees in Bangalore have denied the works and services of the Ulemaa like Nawab Siddeeque Hasan Khan al Kannoujee (rahimahullah), [who authored more than 300 books], the Muhaddith Abdur Rahman al Mubarakfooree (rahimahullah), [the author of Tohfa], the Muhaddith Ubaydullah al Mubarakfooree (rahimahullah). The fact is that it is the Salafees who were pestering to get their works to the reach of common people which have been hidden Allahu Alim for what reason and it is we who were introducing these ulemaa of the past to the common people.

To deny the favours of these ulemaa isn't the zeena of those who have turned to the way of the salaf. Since it is the trait of those  who follow the way of people of narrations, who love the ulemaa as permitted by the Sharee'ah. Wallahu Mustha'aan.It is a balsphamey and an outright lie .


We ask Zafar ul Hasan to produce his Isnad as to where he has heard it from?

Secondly, there are three things this man has spoken about:

1.Those who are with Shaikh Rabee (hafidhahullah) are jaahils.
2.That Shaikh Ibn Baaz (rahimahullah) has given such a Tausiyyah to him (Zafar ul Hasan),
  the like of which he (rahimahullah) has not given to any Arab Alim(Scholar).
3.That he has researched what's going on between Abul Fitan al Maaribee and Ash-Shaikh Rabee (hafidhahullah), and his conclusion is that Shaikh Rabee (hafidhahullah) is the one who is in error.

The salafees were mocked as to why they are talking about issues connecting to Abul Fitan al Mub'tadee, Munajjid , Salman and Safar which have no relevance here. I say , we were forced to speak due to the presence of Arab community here in Bangalore who are patronizers of these deviant individuals. We did not speak from ourselves but we presented what the ulemaa have said. And now you know why it is important to be knowledgeable about evil...Now its clear what is this man?s manhaj which I could understand from his speech with regards to Abul Fitan even though he didn?t come out directly defending Abul fitan. And if you are patient the reality will be known and all Praise is due to Allah.


Narrated Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman:

The people used to ask Allah's Apostle about the good but I used to ask him about the evil lest I should be overtaken by them. So I said, "O Allah's Apostle! We were living in ignorance and in an (extremely) worst atmosphere, then Allah brought to us this good (i.e., Islam); will there be any evil after this good?" He said, "Yes." I said, 'Will there be any good after that evil?" He replied, "Yes, but it will be tainted (not pure.)'' I asked, "What will be its taint?" He replied, "(There will be) some people who will guide others not according to my tradition? You will approve of some of their deeds and disapprove of some others." I asked, "Will there be any evil after that good?" He replied, "Yes, (there will be) some people calling at the gates of the (Hell) Fire, and whoever will respond to their call, will be thrown by them into the (Hell) Fire." I said, "O Allah s Apostle! Will you describe them to us?" He said, "They will be from our own people and will speak our language." I said, "What do you order me to do if such a state should take place in my life?" He said, "Stick to the group of Muslims and their Imam (ruler)." I said, "If there is neither a group of Muslims nor an Imam (ruler)?" He said, "Then turn away from all those sects even if you were to bite (eat) the roots of a tree till death overtakes you while you are in that state."


{From the Saheeh of Imam Bukharee (rahimahullah), Volume 9, Afflictions at the end of the world ,Book 88, #Hadeeth Number 206}.


The following are a part of transcription of his question and
Answer session:


Important Note: We have asked some of the organizers to cross check my translation, for I do not claim this to be the exact and most appropriate translation. Whoever wishes to correct me can do so. Even after we have asked to verify the translation, they have not turned up and hence we are posting this after giving enough time Alhamdulillah.If anyone else wants to hear the speech in urdu , you can PM me and Insha Allah, I will give the url from where you can download.


1.Who are the KIBAAR AL ULEMAA in India?
[The questioner asks this due to the fact that the salafees do say , that the Kibaar al Ulemaa are those from Saudi Arabia and that there is no one whom we know of from the Kibaar currently present in India  ? This  will be clarified further when we get the tape of Shaikh Rabee (hafidhahullah) in which he has spoken about India and the influence Of Ihya Turaath on their dawah Insha Allah. For he (hafidhahullah)  stayed In India, in Jamiyah Salafiyyah , Banaras for few years and he is the best Person to speak about them ].

Zafar Ul Hasan: You(Abdullah, referring to the questioner who is  known to have just studied a course in Umrabad, India); It is not possible to be said about any Alim(scholar)  that he  is the biggest one(major one) for Allah says in the Quran
'Wa fauqa qulli zee ilmi aleemun"
?and over every lord of knowledge there is One All Knowing(Allah).?
[Surath Yousuf , Chapter 12 Verse 76].



He continues to give an example saying:
"When Musa (Alaihissalaam) said ,I am the biggest Alim,
Allah told him (words not clear....)

The one who says I am the biggest Alim in the world is himself the biggest Jaahil in this world.

Every person is influenced by someone , he benefits from him (and he believes him to be the biggest Alim); if you ask me I would say my Ustaadh (teacher) is the biggest Alim. While if you ask my ustaadh, he might be influenced by another Alim and he would reply, no no, the greatest Alim is my
ustaadh.

And related to this the matter is that from India or Pakistan we should
question as to who is the greatest Alim from the jamiyyath Ahle Hadees (referring to Jamiyyah Ahle Hadees )? Have you not understood? When our manhaj is the same one then we should ask who is the greatest Alim from Ahle Hadees. Have you understood?

The world has thought that the greatest Alim is Maulana Safi Ur Rahman Mubarakpuri ( The author of Ar-Raheeq Al Maqthoom); haven't you understood? The people of the whole world have approved Safi Ur Rahman Mubarakpuri to be the greatest Alim and that's why the first number in the Seerah(Seerah of Rasoolullah(Sallallahu Alaihi wa sallam )), was given to him. And we would say akhi that greatest INTERNATIONAL Alim is he to whom the whole world has approved(tasleem kar liya). And the meaning of being approved is that even if you are in the last corner of America then if there is ANY ISSUE PERTAINING TO THE SUNNAH OR THE SEERAH, then the first person to be considered is he, whom the hukumah(government) has considered (to visit America). The Shah Faisal hukumah(government) has considered him(the words are unclear...), otherwise how could that poor man make a trip to America? That's why, and the biggest DALEEL is that as soon as he has achieved Mumtaaz(high) level, he was called to serve the hadeeth in Kisb us Sunnah.  

Legally if you see the greatest Alim is Safi Ur Rahmaan Mubarakpuri.

If you go further, the greatest Alim could be Allamah Nasiruddeen Albaani(rahimahullah) , because the first one to get the SHAH FAISAL AWARD in the field of hadeeth is Allamah Nasiruddeen Albaani (rahimahullah) [He does not say rahimahullah, I'm adding it].And inspite of this we say, in some field it is Allamah Nasiruddeen Albani(rahimahullah) , and in some other it is Shaikh Ibn Baaz(rahimahullah) , and in some other neither of them so it can be Shaikh Uthaimeen(rahimahullah)  and in some other if he is not then it can be Safi Ur Rahmaan Mubarakpuri....

We do not differentiate between the ULEMA, that so an so is big and so and so is small.

'Wa fauqa qulli zee ilmi aleemun"
?and over every lord of knowledge there is One All Knowing(Allah).?
[Surath Yousuf , Chapter 12 Verse 76].



2.Question is asked regarding the MEMBERSHIP FORM!

The following is the translation for this membership form.

       In the name of Allah the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

                                                  Markaz E Jamiyyath Ahle
                                                  Hadees Hind, 4116,
                                             Ahle Hadees Manzil,
                                        Urdu Bazar, Jamia
                                      Masjid, Delhi.

               Agreement of membership

I bear witness that there is no God except Allah and I bear witness that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger (sallallahu Alaihi wa sallam).

1.I ______ son of ___________ after having enrolled as a member of  Markaz E Jamiyyath Ahle Hadees Hind solemnly oath , making Allah the witness that I shall abide by the Aqueedah, Manhaj and practice of Maslak E Ahle Hadees.

2.I am in full agreement of the Aqueedah , dawah and nazbu ayn of Markaz E Jamiyyath Ahle Hadees and I shall fully agree and follow these (rules) strictly
in order to gain the Raghbah of Allah.

3.I shall abide fully by the  Markaz E Jamiyyath Ahle Hadees Hind?s rules and regulations as per their constitution.

4.I shall strive to propogate the dawah and message of Markaz E Jamiyyath Ahle Hadees Hind which is based on the Kitaab and Sunnah to every citizen of India and I shall not be negligent in any way towards this and I shall call be inviting them to enroll into this.

5.For the acquiring of Nasb ul Ayn and the execution of the program of Markaz E Jamiyyath Ahle Hadees Hind in accordance with its foundational principles and guidance of Markaz I will not be hesitant for any type of sacrifice and I shall always be ready to sacrifice (my) life and property.
Whatever decision the AMEER of Jamiyyat or the authorities of Markaz take, that is maroof, for the benefit of Maslak and Jamah and the country and the community I will hold it obligatory to follow.


Zafar Ul Hasan: What is the objection. There is a hadeeth in Saheeh Muslim,
where the Prophet(Sallallahu Alaihi wa sallam ) has said: And it is?

1).To know where all Ahle Hadees are present and how many
2).So that it becomes easier to work.
This cannot be given such a Saree'ah status like:

'Maa yubaddalul Qaulu la dayya wa maa ana bi zallamil lil abeed'
[Surah Qaf Chapter 50 Verse 29].
[Translation: "The Sentence that comes from Me cannot be changed, and I am not unjust (to the least) to the slaves." ]

That's why,the Nazim , the seceratery of a particular time, puts forward his methodology, from his own , in front of the people expecting; if you help us in this way then its easier for us to work.
If another Ameer comes up, its possible that he'd say ; No , not this way but for us that's(some other) the way its easier for us to work..
so have you understood what I am saying?

So when the Ameer changes you see a change in the methodology. This change itself is the daleel for the fact that this does not have such a
Sharee'ah status that...'There should never be any changes to the methodology'.

So you can adopt the changes...
If this methodology, the rules are not in opposition to the Quran and the Sunnah then they are legitimate but if they are in opposition to the Quran and the Sunnah then they are haraam and illegitimate.

And we believe that to do this(membership and the methodology),
to change based on the situation,time,and to adopt a new methodology , is not in opposition to the Quran and the Sunnah but they are in confirmity with the Quran and the Sunnah.

And regarding the membership (Maqdoom shumaari), there is a narration from Saheeh Muslim that when the Prophet(Sallallahu Alaihi wa sallam )
came from the Makkee life to Madeena performing hijrah, the muslims increased in number, someone stays somewhere and someone else stays somewhere, their number is not known, then the Prophet(Sallallahu Alaihi wa sallam ) appointed some Sahabah so that how many people have entered Islam they should count(do maqdoom shumaari) and present it to him(Sallallahu Alaihi wa sallam ).
So from the ahadeeth we come to know that maqdoom shumaari is legitimate (jaayaz).
Who has first done this counting(maqdoom Shumaari)?
The Prophet(Sallallahu Alaihi wa sallam ), that how many people have entered Islam present that to us. So what happened as a result of this?
With this the Prophet(Sallallahu Alaihi wa sallam ) was able to do more work very easily and we come to know that where is our Muslim brother!
That where he resides...but we say that all the jamiyyath people in particular and all the muslims in general should have each other's telephone number, address and should have a jazbah to help each other.

This is an issue of helping each other.This is not related to the Sharee'ah.

Questioner: Is this in accordance with the manhaj of Salaf us Saalih?

Zafar Ul Hasan:How can we say that this is in opposition to the manhaj.Tell me what was the manhaj of the Salaf?
We have presented the hadeeth of Allah's Apostle (Sallallahu Alaihi wa sallam ). The Prophet(Sallallahu Alaihi wa sallam ) used to do it hence the Sahabah also might have done it. Because it is not connected to the Prayer and Fasting hence people didn't abide by it(probably he means to say , like Prayer and Fasting).


Insha Allah , other question and answers shall be posted soon.

Our da?wah and our ?aqeedah is more beloved to us than our own selves, our wealth and our offspring.  So we are not prepared to part with it for gold, nor silver.  We say this so that no one may have hope in buying out our da?wah, nor should he think that  it is possible for him to purchase it from us for deenaar or dirham. Since the politicians already know this about us, so they have despaired of buying it from us with granted positions or wealth..Shaikh, the Allamah, Muqbil ibn Hadee Al Waa'di'ee (Rahimahullah).

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Jazakallaahu khairan, our beloved brother for making clear to the people the reality of this deviated group in India and the Sub-Continent who claim attachment to the Ahlul-Hadeeth of old, just because their group is named with this title. Many people who have ethnic origins in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan in the West are confused about these matters.

Some ignorant people seem to think that to speak against the Jamaahs of Ahlu Hadeeth in Indo-Pak and their deviations amounts to racism and disrespect of the Scholars of the past. However, we know the true 'Ulemah like Allaamah Sideeq Hasan Khan, Shaikh Ahmad Ad-Dehlawee, Al-Adheemabaadee, Shaikh Badi' Ud-Deen As-Sindee and many others from the Sub-Continent who truly provided the Ummah with knowledge and benefit. We make du'aa for the likes of these and praise them. Give us the likes of these in knowledge and effort, and we will rush to them.

Carry on upon clarity yaa Abdal-Adheem and do not fear the deviants. We await more from you.

  

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Bismillahirrahmaanirraheem!

Assalaamuaalaikum wa rahmathullahi wa barakaathuhu!

All Praises and thanks be to Allah, the Rabb of Aalameen,may peace and prayers be upon  the Prophet (sallallahu alaihiwa sallam), his family, his companions and all those who follow him till the Day of Ressurrection.


It is been mentioned from Umar(razi`allahu `ta`ala `anhu), that he said to Ziyad, ?Do you know what {things} destroy Islam? They are the death of
A scholar, the Munaafiq who argues using the Qur`aan and the Imaams
Who lead the people astray?

[Related by ad-Darimee(1/71), al-Khateeb in Al-Faqeeh wal Mutafaqqih(1/234), Ibn Al-Mubarak in Az-Zuhd(1475) , Ibn ?Abdul-Barr in Jaami? Bayaan al-Ilm (2/110), Aboo Nu`aym in Al-Hilyah (4/196), and others, with two chains from Ziyad. I (Shaikh Saleem al Hilaalee) say: It is Saheeh.]
{Refer to Min Wasaaya us Salaf , page 31, Printed by SalafiPublications}

It is related by Aboo Nu`aym in Al-Hilyah (4/36-37) that Wahb Ibn Munabbih
Ibn Kaamil al-Yamaanee as-San?aanee (rahimahullah) said , advicing with
Regards to beautiful characteristics,

? ?.And he(the one with beautiful characteristics) does not seek assistance against anything through lies, for indeed lies in speech is like rotting piece of wood, which looks good on the outside, but is rotting inside. And so being deceived by it, someone may think it can be used to carry things , until it is broken by what it is carrying, and the one who was fooled by it,  is killed.And such is the case of deceitful speech ? its companion continues to be deceived by it and thinks it will help him in obtaining his need, so he likes using it more and more until that becomes known from him, and his deception becomes clear to anyone who has intelligence , and the scholars discover that which used to be hidden from them. So when they become aware of this from him, and it becomes clear to them, they deny his reports and extripate his testification, and they doubt his truthfulness and they despise his kind and hate sitting with him and they withheld their secret thoughts from him and they conceal their speech from him and they turn away from him with their trusts. They remove their affair from him and they assess him accordingly to their religion and their way of life and they do not allow him to attend any of their gatherings and they do not trust him with any of their secrets and they do not appoint him as a judge concerning anything that happends between them.


{Refer to Min Wasaaya us Salaf , page 79, Printed by SalafiPublications}


The next question to Zafar ul Hasan is below:

4.Questionser:Is it necessary that one needs to have a tazkiyyah of a scholar for his words to be acceptable(fatwas or knowledge of deen)?
[This question is raised because the Salafees do say that we do not accept
the statements and fatawas nor do we learn the deen from just anyone unless the one from whom  we gain knowledge is well known to the scholars and he is recommended to be benefitted from by any of them.]  


Zafar Ul Hasan: No it is not necessary at all and if the issue of Tazkiyyah is brought then everyone has to accept our words, WHY? Because we have the Tazkiyah of Shaikh Ibn Baaz, Uthaimeen [Rahimahumullahu Ta'ala; he does not say this I am adding it], Rabee Al Madkhalee [hafidhahullah; he does not say this I am adding it].
We have already stated as to who is our Ustaadh(Shaikh or teacher)?
Rabee Ibn Hadee al Madkhalee. He is our ustaadh in hadeeth and how can we have a bigger Tazkiyyah than his. Go and take my name and he will tell you that Zafar ul Hasan is my student.

Questioner interrupting: If we do not have a tazkiyah of his like what you have then....

Zafar Ul Hasan: Allah Ta'ala has not discussed anything about tazkiyah to take tazkiyah is against (the manhaj) of Salaf. If we only call the one who has a tazkiyah as a scholar then we do not think that there is any mention of tazkiyah from the Salaf.But there is SHAHADAH, what? Ijaazah, that so and so has attained education from us.

                            ~~~~~~~~~~~

And await for more, and Insha Allah it will be more and more clear.

Those who defend this man are the same ones who defend Bilal Philips,
we see every group uniting against us one after the other but we pray to
Allah to keep us steadfast and to help us reach the Ulemaa who are the
true inheritors of the Prophets.

Look at those whom you defend? Have you truly placed these individuals
between yourselves and the Kitab and Sunnah based upon Baseerah?

It is well known that whichever hadeeth Shaikh Muhammad Nasiruddeen Al - Albanee (Rahimahullah) has declared as Saheeh or Da'eef or Mau'doo or Mun'qati , you all accept it and fight with the hanafees using his reference. You do not question about the condition of the narrators of the past....NOT A SINGLE ONE!!!. But when the same Muhaddith al Asr has declared a man who is alive and is living amongst us saying:
"And furthermore, I want to say that what I saw from the writings of the Shaikh, Dr. Rabee', was that they were beneficial. And I do not recall seeing any error on his part (in these books) nor any deviation from the methodology, which we are in conformity with him on and he with us."
then how easily you turn away...Wallahu Mus'tha'aan, I say look into your
baatil principles, your bias based on desires and your manhaj?

If its not yet clear, then we seek refuge in Allah from you.


They used to mock at the barelvees, the deobandees, naming them muqallidah,
Today they have trusted the majhool ones, naming them thiqah,
They despised the hanafees, argued with them, questioned their fiqah,
We presented to them qawl As-Saha, of Ahlul Athar, of Ahlus-Sunnah,
Yet they cling to the Ahl ush-Shub`hah , the ahl - ul Hawa,
We see you as the same ones, on the same lines, have you then no ghira?
Then explain to us, what is taqleed then, O muqallidah!



Anything good is from Allah and most assuredly all mistakes are mine.
Its a praiseworthy quality to remind your brother his mistakes and Insha Allah I will be open for correction.

Sub'han `Allahi Wabihamdihi Subhanaka `Allahumma wa bihamdika, wa `ash-hadu `an laa `Illaaha `illaa `anta, `astaghfiruka wa `atoobu `ilayka.  



Our da?wah and our ?aqeedah is more beloved to us than our own selves, our wealth and our offspring.  So we are not prepared to part with it for gold, nor silver.  We say this so that no one may have hope in buying out our da?wah, nor should he think that  it is possible for him to purchase it from us for deenaar or dirham. Since the politicians already know this about us, so they have despaired of buying it from us with granted positions or wealth..Shaikh, the Allamah, Muqbil ibn Hadee Al Waa'di'ee (Rahimahullah).

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Bismillahirrahmaanirraheem!

Assalaamuaalaikum wa rahmathullahi wa barakaathuhu!

All Praises and thanks be to Allah, the Rabb of Aalameen,may peace and prayers be upon  the Prophet (sallallahu alaihiwa sallam), his family, his companions and all those who follow him till the Day of Ressurrection.


Narrates the  flag bearer of Jarh wa Ta?deel of current time, may Allah preserve him,  about the Imam  Aboo Muhammad `Abdullah ibn Muslim ibn Qutaibah (d. 276 H), that he authored a book and named it,  ?Ta?weel Mukhtaliful-Hadeeth? , in defence of its carriers and transmitters and its memorizers and protectors, Ahlul Hadeeth .

He (rahimahullah) says:
??..They blame other than themselves in regards to transmission, but do not blame their opinions in regards to their (false) interpretations. The meanings of the Book and the hadeeth and what they (both) incorporate from fine wisdom and quaint (Arabic) language cannot be perceived by way of At ?
-Tufrah and Tawallud and ?Ard and Al-Jawhar and Al-Kaifiyyah and Al Kamiyyah and Al ? Aniyyah. Had they only left these complexities that are found  in them (i.e., the Quran and the Sunnah) to the people who have knowledge of them (i.e. in the Quran and Sunnah) , (then) the methodology would have been clear to them and the way out (from the complexities they found) would have been spacious , but they were prevented from that by their persuit  for leadership and their love to be followed  and their believing that they can gain followers through their statements. (Indeed) the people are flocks of birds that they follow one another. And if they found someone calling to prophethood , even in the knowledge that the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) is the Seal of the Prophets, or someone claiming Divinity , you would find followers and groups upon that. ?..?


[Refer to Makanathu Ahlul Hadees, by the Muhaddith Shaikh Rabee Ibn Hadee al-Madkhalee (hafidhahullah), printed by SalafiPublications]



Below are the other questions and answers .


Questioner:But it is said that it is an important usool of Jarh wa ta'deel , Tazkiyah......Muhadditheen when they....(words unclear)

Zafar Ul Hasan Interrupting: Alhamdulillah?..for the narrators!

Questioner:For the narrators, the Muhadditheen they used?.

Zafar Ul Hasan Interrupting: han ! han! ,today, today, today,?..One minute! Who is narrating hadeeth today? Within that Isnad itself is the Tazkiyyah written.
'Qad wajatthuhu saalihan naqee'an taqee'an saheeh al aqueedathi mutamassikalil kitaabi wa sunnathi' and what else Tazkiyah do you need? So you did not understand?
If it is an issue of Jarh wa Ta'deel then while giving the isnad , he has written 'Qad wajatthuhu saalihan naqee'an taqee'an saheeh al aqueedathi mutamassikalil kitaabi wa sunnathi', the whole tazkiyah is over ! What else do you need? Tazkiyah is already present. Jarh wa ta'deel.
And then, the whole silsilah of Jarh wa ta'deel , where is it necessary?
Today, one barelvee who would be a mushrik, if he says that this hadeeth
Is from bukharee. Either you(barelvee) are truthful or liar, we open the bukharee to see the reference (whether it is present or not)?so who is narrating the hadeeth today that there has arisen the need for
Jarh wa ta'deel ? It is FOOLISHNESS .


O inform us, it is then, when there was the need for Jarh wa ta'deel, the Ulemaa had adopted it , when ahadeeth were narrated orally(zubaanee). When it was not known concerning a narrator, to know about the narrator.

All the narrators, as to who is SEGHA and who is GHAYR SEGHA, in the
Third century nearly ulemaa had completed ( the compilation).

The need is only to open and look into the books (today).

It is said that Allamah Nasiruddeen Albaanee (rahmathullah) was a big
Imam of Jarh wa ta'deel of his time. And truly, there was none comparable
To him, ( the word he uses is ?nazeer? and it has several meanings ) none to be considered as an example in comparison to him. Even when he too narrates during Jarh and Ta?deel whatever aqwaal (statements) , all of these are those from the people of past and he cannot narrate anything from himself.

Between these statements (of the past) he used to make the muhaasibah as to which one is more Saheeh and ??but he wouldn?t say anything from himself. That?s why,  there is no need for Jarh wa ta'deel ; HERE WE HAVE ALL THE BOOKS AVAILABLE. Whosoever narrates a hadeeth, doesn?t do so with an isnad but he says, it is narrated from bukharee?You just need to ask him if it is from bukhaaree and the one giving bayaan tells you that.


[Refer to: Is the science of Jarh wa Ta'deel abrogated? by the noble
Shaikh Zaid al Madkhalee(hafidhahullah).
http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/downloads/pdf/BDH050005.pdf]

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[Refer to: Imaam Muqbil Replies: Striving To Attain Tazkiyahs (Commendations) For Oneself  by the noble Shaikh, the Allamah Muqbil ibn Hadee al Wadi'ee(rahimahullah).
http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/downloads/pdf/GRV130001.pdf]

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5. Questioner: Some of the people say that we have to make ?hajr? with the Mub?tadi?een; and also that this is the manhaj of Salaf us Salih?
[ As per my knowledge, the issue of hajr that salafees spoke about was
only with regard to the misunderstanding of Bilal Philips, of Shaikh al-Albaani (rahimahullah?s) words and further the clarification that we presented in this regard was what was compiled by the brothers at SalafiPublications listing the refutation of this understanding by Shaikh Ubayd al Jabiree (hafidhahullah) , Shaikh Saleem (hafidhahullah) .
Refer to
http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/frm/fileattachments/ReplyBP.pdf  ]

Zafar Ul Hasan:- Hafidh Adh-Dhahabee (rahimahullah) , in the introduction of his book ?Meezan ul Aetedaal? has clearly mentioned and the saying is quite appropriate  that who is the person in the world today about whom it is said that he is not an INNOVATOR .People call the Salafees as the biggest innovators; so whom is it said?.... Then what is the basis that we should make for (categorizing something as)?Bid?ah? ? Whom we call as innovators they call themselves as Ahl Us Sunnah.And to whom we call as Ahlul Hadeeth, they (the ahlul Bidah) call them as Innovators. Shia?h are known to be innovators in the sight of the four Imams but the Shia?h themselves call the four imams as innovators. So think? What is the basis for Bid?ah? Take the name of any Alim in this world to whom the people haven?t called as innovator! People have called Shaikh Ibn Baaz (rahimahullah) as an innovator, Shaikh Uthaimeen (rahimahullah) as an innovator and they say Rabee Al Madhkhalee (hafidhahullah) ?.there itself the clashes are going on.[Waheen? ghoonsa
Chal raha hai]

Rabee al Madhkhalee (hafidhahullah)  is our Usthaadh and  from his  students Abul Hasan al Misree Al Maari?bee had visited us, then , we had a sitting with him, one and a half to two hours was his bayaan and I (Zafar Ul Hasan) translated his bayaan (may be to Urdu) , we went to the hotel and had big mutual exchange of views. When he is seated, a small group there terms him as Mub?tadee , and I asked him he said they are innovators??huh!

That is for one Alim (scholar) , a man is calling innovator while the scholar (Abul Hasan al Misree) is thinking, not me but he is a mub?tadee.
Which is the scholar who is left about whom ??I am not saying this but
Hafidh Dhahabi (rahmathullahi alay) has said:  that such a time has arrived when one man is calling the other as an innovator.


If you do not have beard, people will call you as an innovator, and if you have a long beard then the one who does not have says ?this is a mubtadee , where did the people (of the past) keep such a long beard?. So the issue has become different for everyone and hence it should be seen and this(such) bid?ah should not be considered but what needs to be seen is if a human is performing such an act by virtue of which he is lead to kufr and shirk, going out of islam ( islam se khaarij ), the Sahabah ikraam , with such people ; and the salaf with such people would??hijran mahjoorah (meaning salaf used to make hijrah with only such people), like the Quadariyyah, Abdullah Ibn Umar (razi` allahu anhu) said: ? Be informed! Do not convey my salams to these innovators. Now have you comprehended? What type of innovators did the salaf  make hijrah from ? Those who performed bidath- al- mukaffirah and with such people it is important for us to make hijran mahjoorah .

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Anything good is from Allah and most assuredly all mistakes are mine.
Its a praiseworthy quality to remind your brother his mistakes and Insha Allah I will be open for correction.

Sub'han `Allahi Wabihamdihi Subhanaka `Allahumma wa bihamdika, wa `ash-hadu `an laa `Illaaha `illaa `anta, `astaghfiruka wa `atoobu `ilayka.  


Our da?wah and our ?aqeedah is more beloved to us than our own selves, our wealth and our offspring.  So we are not prepared to part with it for gold, nor silver.  We say this so that no one may have hope in buying out our da?wah, nor should he think that  it is possible for him to purchase it from us for deenaar or dirham. Since the politicians already know this about us, so they have despaired of buying it from us with granted positions or wealth..Shaikh, the Allamah, Muqbil ibn Hadee Al Waa'di'ee (Rahimahullah).

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Bismillahirrahmaanirraheem!


Assalaamuaalaikum wa rahmathullahi wa barakaathuhu!

All Praises and thanks be to Allah, the Rabb of Aalameen,may peace and prayers be upon  the Prophet (sallallahu alaihiwa sallam), his family, his companions and all those who follow him till the Day of Ressurrection.

All praise is due to Allah Who has guided us to His Book, the Qur'aan,
the speech of Allah which is uncreated; Who has guided us to the Sunnah of His final Messenger( Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam ) and Who has guided us to the understanding of the Book and the Sunnah upon the Fahm of Salaf us Saalih.

There are some beautiful series of articles on SalafiPublications.com
which will give all those who are new to the Manhaj some insight about the
manhaj of our salaf with regards to the importance of knowing the person
before seeking knowledge from him.

Alhamdulillah, all praise is due to Allah, that inspite of the existance of various manaahij, juhaal, those who have become the leaders of this ummah leading them on a way which is in opposition to SabeelilMu'mineen,
Allah has certainly raised the trustworthy ones who continue to carry the Amaanah and continuously implant the truth in the hearts of others without fearing the blame of the blamers. I suggest all the people of this sub-continent who attach themselves to the Ahlul Hadeeth of past to read the following series and Insha Allah this will give some understanding of what
the people who have deviated are upon in our current times.

Sub'haan Allah, Shaikh Ubayd (hafidhahullah) has spoken about some important aspects of what the signs of deviated manaahij are quoting from the lives of the people who have preceeded us , who were upon the same manhaj as that of the Prophet( Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam )  and his Sahabah (ridhwanullahi alaihim ajma'een).


Insha Allah soon we hope to recieve a response from Shaikh Rabee Ibn Hadee al Madkhalee (hafidhahullah) with regards to this man Zafar ul Hasan.
As soon as we recieve the information from the Shaikh which has been passed already to those who can reach him, we will make it available for everyone to hear what the Shaikh has said Insha Allah.

Besides this, we have also requested our brother Abdulilah to get the response from the Shaikh for few other questions which will Insha Allah clear the doubts of muslims of Bangalore  with regards to Salafipublications, Abu Khadeejah in particular and the speeches and articles at Troid.

Until then please read:

  http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/downloads/pdf/BDH050009.pdf

  http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/downloads/pdf/BDH050007.pdf

Jazakallahu Khair.

Wa'assalaamuaalaikum wa rahmathullahi wa barakaathuhu!

Our da?wah and our ?aqeedah is more beloved to us than our own selves, our wealth and our offspring.  So we are not prepared to part with it for gold, nor silver.  We say this so that no one may have hope in buying out our da?wah, nor should he think that  it is possible for him to purchase it from us for deenaar or dirham. Since the politicians already know this about us, so they have despaired of buying it from us with granted positions or wealth..Shaikh, the Allamah, Muqbil ibn Hadee Al Waa'di'ee (Rahimahullah).

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assalamo 'alaikom, akhee please can you write your questions down and i will try and help you. You can PM me if you want. But please be patient as it is Hajj time and many of the scholars are busy during this period.

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Bismillahirrahmaanirraheem!

Assalaamuaalaikum wa rahmathullahi wa barakaathuhu!

Jazakallahu Khair! Insha Allah I will be patient. I have already mailed
you but since I am travelling I will write down the detailed questions
as soon as I reach the States when I get the internet access. By the way if there are any Salafi brothers in New Jersey please PM me ; I would be very happy to meet any of you Insha Allah.

Wa'assalaamuaalaikum

Abdul Azeem.

Our da?wah and our ?aqeedah is more beloved to us than our own selves, our wealth and our offspring.  So we are not prepared to part with it for gold, nor silver.  We say this so that no one may have hope in buying out our da?wah, nor should he think that  it is possible for him to purchase it from us for deenaar or dirham. Since the politicians already know this about us, so they have despaired of buying it from us with granted positions or wealth..Shaikh, the Allamah, Muqbil ibn Hadee Al Waa'di'ee (Rahimahullah).

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Bismillahirrahmaanirraheem!

Assalaamuaalaikum wa rahmathullahi wa barakaathuhu!

Our dawah and our aqeedah is more beloved to us than our own selves, our wealth and our offspring.  So we are not prepared to part with it for gold, nor silver.  We say this so that no one may have hope in buying out our dawah, nor should he think that  it is possible for him to purchase it from us for deenaar or dirham. Since the politicians already know this about us, so they have despaired of buying it from us with granted positions or wealth..Shaikh, the Allamah, Muqbil ibn Hadee Al Waa'di'ee (Rahimahullah).






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