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ummmusa88
19-10-2009 @ 5:10 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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Asalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

From Foundations of the Sunnah:
AbdulQaadir alJeelaanee: "Istiwaa does not mean sitting or touching..."
(p135)

From Sh. Ibn Uthaymeen's "Tenets of Faith":
"His istiwaa over the Throne means that He is above it by His dhaat; it is
a particular ascending that befits His majesty and greatness. No one knows
how Allah ascends, except Him" (p18)

So this is the part that I found odd...

The same text was translated quite differently in another printing, "The
Muslim's Belief", with a different translator:
"His 'settling on the throne' means that He is sitting in person on
His throne in a way that is becoming to His majesty and greatness. Nobody
except He knows exactly how He is sitting"

Can someone help clarify this?

I really hope proper translators will be assigned at all times when it
comes to translating religious texts, particularly ones to do with
aqeedah... as this can significantly affect particularly those who don't
know Arabic and are new to the deen. Not translating at all is better than
translating with the wrong meanings and misguiding others... Allahu
musta'aan.



Moosaa
21-10-2009 @ 7:47 PM    Notify Admin about this post
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Wa 'alaykumus-salaamu wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh.

To specify how Allaah is above His Throne without evidence is a kind of takyeef.  Takyeef is absolutely forbidden and leads to many basically all the deviations that are related to the Names and Attributes.

We affirm that Allaah is above his Throne, in a manner that befits His Majesty.  Where the texts stop, we stop.

Moosaa ibn John Richardson

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ummmusa88
22-10-2009 @ 2:46 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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Na'am, jazakallahu khayran,

So we should be aware of the edition I mentioned above of the translation
inshaAllah.

And we ask Allah to protect the muslimeen from such defects in aqeedah.

ummmusa88
25-11-2009 @ 5:57 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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Asalamu alaikum,

I posted a question on a previous thread but I don't think it got noticed,
so I am reposting it here:

quote:
I found this quote from ibn Abbas from there:

"...Indeed Allaah the Mighty and Majestic was above His Throne before He
created anything, then He created the creation..."

I am trying to understand this in light of the ayah in the Quraan that
affirms His rising above the throne after creating the heavens and the
earth in 6 days... Can someone explain?


Also, I am confused about narrations that state Allah's throne being above
the water... then I came across this from www.salafitalk.net, but I am
unsure about who is answering this question - it is apparently one of the
scholars - if anyone has an idea, please post it here.


quote:
6) What is the relationship between the following aspects of
Allaahıs creation: kursi, arsh, heavens, bahr  - what is above what?

(The heavens are above the earth).
The bahr (ocean) is above the heavens.
The kursi (foot stool) is above the bahr.
The arsh (throne) is above the kursi, and the arsh is the highest of all
the Created things.


Can someone untangle all of this and provide some clarification?

Abu.Lubaynah
02-12-2009 @ 12:52 PM    Notify Admin about this post
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