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Topic: Advice to the brothers at Salaf not Khalaf Forum.
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 Kalimatul.Haqq
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Assalaamu Alaykum wa Rahmatullaahi wa Barakaatahu
Brothers i see that you are letting some Ignorant youths post their Doubts on your site.
This is not from the Manhaj of the Salaf.
Sufyaan Ath-Thawri said: | quote: |
Whoever hears of an innovation then let him not narrate it to his companions (Those who he sits with) so that he does not cause it to enter their hearts."
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And the salafi forums in Arabic such as Sahab.com, anasalafi.net,etc and our brothers here at Salafitalk do not allow these type of people to post. And if they are able to sneak through they delete their posts, protecting the youth from this Fitnah.
Dont be fooled by their false praises and look to what they seek and aim, look to what one of them said:
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| I like this forum better than any other forum online.Masha Allah. Its set up nice; people are allowed to speak and not have their posts deleted.It seems that so far the moderators have been quite balanced. Its easy on line to get caught up on being the "Web Master" and forget that what we do here will be something we will be accountable for. So please lets keep things nice and easy among one another. Please lets not turn this into a refutation and anti refutation forum because I would hate that. Let us wait until the ulema speak on matters. I don't like when one part of a question is presented to a scholar and then the scholar answers based on what he is told. I dislike that sometimes selected statements are sent to the Ulema and then we seem to be happy with their answer. Personally its sad to me when we see that someone has deviated. I dont see it as something to be happy about at all.I prefer to wait until the whole story becomes apparent. THose that had a lot of kalam about others had to be ordered to cease that kalam..so before we sit and talk and talk why dont we speak good or keep silent? |
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They want your forum to become one of Tamy'ee and Inhiraaf, one that becomes a platform for the Hizbiyoon and their followers, Intabihoo!!!!!!
This message was edited by Kalimatul.Haqq on 12-14-02 @ 8:05 PM
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| ekbal.hussain
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Wa alaykum usalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu
I absolutely agree with brother 'kalimatul haqq'. I have been to the website myself and read some posts by jaahil individuals who are posting shuboohaat, concerning issues that have already been dealt with. I urge the brothers in this website to deal with this and also advice the moderators of that website, to not allow this to happen anymore.
Barrak allahu feek
This message was edited by ekbal.hussain on 12-14-02 @ 10:07 PM
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| AliSomaniAlKanadee
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| Moosaa
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Dec 14, 2002
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| abu.altaf
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assalamu alaikum sorry but im a bit puzzled! for a very long time maybe 8 or 9 years there has been a single salafee jamaah in birmingham and the brothers like abu talha and abu khadijah and abu hakim bilal davis have always been with the scholars and they established dawah salafiyyah in birmingham well not just birmingham but other places too,may allah reward them, and they clarified the dawah and tied many people in the west to the scholars of the manhaj and als the information coming from them. even the
scholars know this, these brothers helped many people through lots of fitnas in the manhaj, and now there is a masjid which is probably the largest pure salafee masjid in the west, if not then maybe in europe, a salafee school aswell.
and up until maybe 6-9 months ago, there was unity and dawah was good and done from a single place, the masjid Now there some new "jamaahs" of dawah that have come about who have split off and it really only happened after that big fitnah of abul-hasan misree. some of these are the brothers who repented from the fitnah of abul-hasan or so it seems.
what i don't understand is that a personal business building is being used to host talks and conferences literally 2 or 3 streets away from the salafee masjid which is huge maashaa'allaah and is perfect place for bringing all salafees together, this thing really puzzles me! and i don't understand it one bit, and yet all parties involved are claiming salafiyah??!!! i really wish someone can explain that to me! becaue im finding hard to put this and that together. can someone please ask any of the people of knowledge if that makes sense? there is now a big salafee masjid with huge capacity where community is really built and everyone is salafee or claims salafiyyah, but a small handful of people who want separation use a different premise deliberately and this takes the people away from the masjid. a privately owned business property is used insted which is no more than 2 or 3 streets away from the masjid where everyone prays jumah and jama'ah and attends lessons and where all the community comes togehter?
is there a reason behind this? and especially seeing that this activity of this new jamaah happened only a few months after the salafee masjid opened and everyone was really happy about a singel place for all salafees? did i
miss something? i'm frustrated and hope someone can explain this to me!
over the past few years all the lessons and explanationso of books that have been done by abu talha and abu hakim and the other brothers, and now
with the masjid is even more goodness with lessons from shaikh rabee and shaikh ubaid and shaikh alanjaree that are in the masjid. what if everything was done in the masjid, what effect would that have on uniting the hearts, and bringing everyone together in a single place.
what about the hadith when the sahabha came down from a valley and they were all separted and so the messenger - sallalahu alaihi wasalam said this was from shaitan that they were not together physically in a single place? so what about when people are takn away from the masjid, which according to the scholars is where teaching takes place?.
isnt that what shaikh rabee asked in his advice that everyone cooperate together? or is splitting and dividing more beloved? i hope that someone can put this situation to the people of knowledge where there is a large
salafee community, a large salafee mosque, everyone is together nad has been for lots of years, and everybody is claiming to be salafee, all of this in a very small area, but then some activities are put aside using other buildings only streets away from the mosque, which is the only pure salafee mosque in birmingham, by some brothers woh claim they are united
with everybody else and upon the same manhaj and with the same scholars. yet people become divided because of it? Is this allowed and is this from unity? i sincerely request from any brohtrs who are in contact wiht scholars toput this situation to them, and get an answer to this? i really would like to know the real inetntions of some of these people, because some of the actions i explaiend above do not appear straight to me.
i'd stick to abu talha and abu hakeem and also abu khadijah and the main salafee jamaah who have had a clear strong manhaj for over 8 years at least, they established dawah and taught salafiyyah and linked to the scholars. thier positions and manhaj is clear for us all to see for a very long time, they united the people upon this clera manhaj. and now after
the big fitnah of abul hasan new jamaahs have appeared in dawah. no history, no background just new people separating the people and they cannot explain their historis because maybe it is not good and it was not free with hizbiyyah.
also thse poeople from snk who speak bout this issue dont' know what they are speaking about, they are thousands of miles away, so best to keep quite about what they don't see.
This message was edited by abu.altaf on 6-28-03 @ 10:14 AM
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| abu.altaf
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assalamu alaikum, in case there is any twisting or lies or misunderstanding of what i said, i am speaking about the actions of certain peopel that divide salafees and split the jamaah, and this has no connection to salafee scholars. ihya turath would do link ups and connections to scholars ibn baz, ibn uthaimeen, but was it to unite salafees or divide them? was it to sincerely teach people aqidah and
manhaj or was it to play politics and divide people and split the jamaah of salafees. so the scholars are free from all of this but it si the actions of the people. it is not teh scholars and their gatherings that anyone warns from but it is the ways that people take to present scholars and the effects of their actions in splitting salafees.
again, i am asking the logic of doing duroos 2 streets away from a very large pure salafee mosque and instead in a private business property and what happened to taaa'wun that teh scholars ordered? also i ask that someone make the scholars aware of this situatoin and ask the question, where there over a 1000 salafees in a town, all are united and togehter, and tehre is a huge salafee mosque, where all the lessons take place, everyone is togehter, the community is based around it, and it took arund 8 years to get these blessings. there are lessons of scholars in teh mosque, and the mosqu still has a great capacity for more lessons and conferences, and this is what ties together all salafees and keeps them unitd. then after the scholars have given advice to the saalfees to be together and united, a handful of people take people away from this and start a new jamaah of dawah 2 streets away? abandoning the m osque and invitign people away from it. especially after all the advice the ulama gave. and htis only happend because of the fitnah of abul hasan. i want to know a clear ruling on this from the salafee manhaj. and a clear ruling on abandonig the salafee masjids and going elswhee to divide the dawah and divie the people after the scholars like shaikhrabee advised that they be all together.
This message was edited by abu.altaf on 6-28-03 @ 3:02 PM
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| iamsalafee
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Here is a pic. You have to rename it from .gif to .bmp as I couldnt upload it.
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| abu.yusuf.iesaa
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Jazaak Allaahu gayran my dear brothers for this information you are giving, but..... it is a little "off-topic"
We better talk about the main subject on this topic and not about a whole other issue. The Issue here was about the forum "Salaf not Khalaf"
It is a little confusing when speaking about another subject what has not much relation to the main subject... or has it a relation ? In that case I'd really like to know ...
I hope you will take this little naseeha from a brother who wishes good for you all !
Jazaakumullaahu gayran !
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Abu Hurairah - radiallaahu anhu - said, the Messenger of Allaah said, "A person is upon the deen of his friend, so let each one of you look at whom he befriends." Saheeh. Refer to Silsilah as-Saheehah of al-Albaani (no.927
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| AbuYusufAlKashmiri
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As sallam ualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatahu
Yes akhee, regarding the **** **** [DELETED] website, I also noticed some of these strange things, that they weren?t advertising the name of the centre of our brothers in Birmingham. From what I remember, they have also omitted the name of Troid and the name of the organisers of the conference in London. In fact, they have even omitted the names of our brothers who will be speaking at these conferences alongside sheikh Fawzee whilst only putting sheikh fawzees name on the adverts.
These people are against the dawah in the UK because of their hatred for ahl-us-sunnah. Let us not sugar coat this issue and get all emotional about it, for if these people were not against the dawah they simply wouldn?t do these things. In fact, the very setting up of all these rogue sites over the last year and a half is a clear sign that these people only want to be heard and aid the innovators against ahl-us-sunnah. I mean, just look at these joke-of-sites which the likes of these people have created. Not only have they tried to imitate SPUBS or salafitalk in their design, but also no one else goes on there except themselves!!!
We shouldn?t be defending these jokers, rather, we should repell their doubts which they bring against our salafi brothers at the maktaba in Biirmingham with full conviction. And I believe this should be done with all those who oppose the maktaba in the UK or elsewhere.
It is also interesting to see which is the first website linked to Abdul-Qadirs calamititious website; Abdul-Qadir, the supporter and henchman of Abul-Hasan Al-Maribee that is.
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It is as the saying goes: :
?Birds of a feather, always flock together?.
Let us face the reality, the dawah salafeeyah in the West (and UK specifically here) is under attack in different guises and forms. There are many wolves out there in sheep?s clothing and the salafees need to get rid of these wolves before they start eating the sheep!!
As a side note to what someone also mentioned above, I also don?t see the need for all these other websites with forums on them, even if they are administered by the Salafis. We have the main salafi platforms, and that is enough. Anything extra, in my opinion, just causes problems and is often fodder for the ahlu-ul-bida.
Abu Yusuf Al Kashmiri
وكل خير في إتباع مى سلف
وكل شر في إبتداع من خلف
This message was edited by Al-Fudayl on 7-5-03 @ 4:13 PM
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| ekbal.hussain
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Wa Alaikumus Salam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
I would like to make a clarfication on a post I made on this topic a few days ago, which was subsequently removed by the noble brothers at the admin of this forum (hafidha Umullah).
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Unfortunately some of my comments were misinterpreted, to mean that I was warning against the Salafi Ulama. I just want to say that I DO NOT warn against the Salafi Ulama WHATSOEVER, and that was NOT the message I was trying to get across. And alhamdulillah the admin of this forum will never allow me or anybody to do this either. My speech was directed towards the EVIL mischief makers of Birmingham, who strive to harm the CLEAR salafi da'wah in Birmingham and other that it.
InshaAllah in the future I will be more careful what I say AND HOW I say it, and also try to control my emotions. I want to thank the Brothers of the Admin for swiftly removing the post and notifying me. May Allah continue to preserve them upon khair, and may HE (subhana wa ta ala) reward them boutifully on the day of judgement for strenghthing and aiding da'wah ahlus sunnah through this forum.
If there is anything I have failed to mention, please feel free to ask it of me. I love you ALL for the sake of Allah !
JAZZAKUMULLAHU KHAIRAN.
Abu Abdullah Ekbal Hussain as-Salafee al-Bangalee
Subhanaka Allahumma wa Bihamdika Ashhadu an Lailaha illah ant astaghfiruka wa atubu ilayk
This message was edited by Al-Fudayl on 7-4-03 @ 8:36 PM
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| Abu.Abdullah.A
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Assalaamu Alaykum
Jazaakallahu khayr Abu Yusuf for getting straight to the point! There's been a lot of roundabout talk by people which doesn't really tell anybody anything and just makes them more confused. And I really hope that someone from SP can post something and explain clearly what is going on with these people. There are lots or rumours and talk and people are confused!
It is clear that they have evil and sick intentions to end the dawah of the bros at SP. And if they can't then at least undermine it. If you listen to the last few minutes of that link up with Shaykh Subayee from Kuwait which is on the Salafiaudio site
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And why do Salafi Tapes hide their connection with **** **** [WEBSITE NAME DELETED]? And look at the tricks **** **** [WEBSITE NAME DELETED] are playing by pretending to promote the events at the Salafi Masjid but they hate to mention this Masjid by name. They actually removed the name? I can't imagine why someone would have to select that text and press the delete button on the keyboard to remove the name of Masjid Salafi? Did they only advertised those sister circles to deceive people to make them think that they are with the brothers, when really they have intentions to harm them and inside they know the hate they have towards the brothers at SP. May Allah reward you brothers for pointing this out. Look at the questions they put to the Shaykhs in their link ups which they were using only as a basis to split away from the other Salafees. Anyone can figure out that they were intending the brothers at the Maktabah with half-baked lies. I suppose you can fool people for a short time but in the end the truth always becomes clear.
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This advice of Shaykh Falih is very good and its a good reminder.
http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=6&Topic=1210
I listened to the advice of Shaykh Rabee again as a reminder to gain benefit and I noticed that towards the end the Shaykh did say that if there is a matter that is hidden to him concerning these problems and which is dangerous that it should be brought to his attention and to the attention of the other Scholars. I ask SP or anyone else to contact the Shaykhs and let them know exactly what is going on, if they havent already done so. Because of the last few months the actions of these people have given their game away. They should be told what these people are doing and have been doing and raise questions about what their real intentions are by splitting away from the Salafees and displaying their hate for the mosque so much that they have to remove and hide its name when they advertise the events inside it? Ajeeb Jiddan!!
This message was edited by Al-Fudayl on 7-5-03 @ 4:16 PM
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Just a quick note:
This is not intended as any disrespect to the brothers like Abu.YusufAlKashmiri or Abu.Abdullah.A nor Ekbal.Hussain. In fact I see what you see, but we cannot allow these types of posts to be posted at this time.
Rather it is sufficient that we know that there is a concerted effort to bring down Salafi Publications from those who know that Salafi Publications has been the strongest force against the Hizbiyyoon and Ahlul-Bid?ah in the West.
So we ask all of our brothers and sisters to make strong du?aa for Salafi Publications and ask Allaah, The Most High, The Mighty, The All-Powerful to destroy and turn to dust the plots of those who wish harm upon it. Whether it be people in the city of Birmingham or those outside of it. |
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