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Topic: Did man land on the moon by Sheikh Uthamin
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Abu Qayla Rasheed bin Estes Barbee
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Did man land on the moon? By Sheikh Uthamin
All praises belong to Allah and may the prayer and peace be upon our Prophet and upon his family and his companions and those that follow them in goodness until the Day of Judgment as to what follows.
There have been several news reports about the space shuttle landing on the surface of the moon after several failed attempts that exhausted the physical, mental and industrial capabilities through-out the course of many years. These reports have raised many questions and brought forth many responses from the people.
Some say: This is false and it opposes the Koran.
Some say: This has been established and the Koran validates this.
As for those who believe this opposes the Koran then they say Verily Allah informed us that the moon is in the sky and He said (Blessed be He Who has placed in the heaven big stars and has placed therein a great lamp (sun) and a moon giving light.) (Chapter 25 verse 61)
And He said (And has made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp) (Chapter 71 verse 16) And if the moon is in the sky then it is not possible to reach it, because Allah made the sky a ceiling that is protected.
And the Prophet peace and blessing are upon him, is the most honorable of the creation and Jibril, the most noble of the angels was with him and they had to seek permission to enter the skies and upon reaching each heaven they had to request that it be opened for them and they were not able to enter the heavens until it was opened for them. So how is a man-made space shuttle is going to land on the surface moon, while the moon is in the protect sky.
And those who believe that the Koran validates this say; verily Allah says in Sura Rahman, (O assembly of jinns and men! If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, then pass (them)! But you will never be able to pass them, except with authority (from Allah)!) (Chapter 55 verse 33)
And authority is knowledge, and they are able to pass beyond the zones of the earth with knowledge; so this action of theirs is in accordance with the Koran and tafseer (explanation) for it.
And if the numerous reports are true about the space shuttle landing upon the surface of the moon then what is apparent to me is that the Koran does not confirm it nor deny it. Because there is nothing in the Koran that clearly opposes it, just as there is nothing in the Koran that is proof to confirm it.
1. As for the Koran not opposing it, because the Koran is the speech of Allah the Exalted, the One who encompassed everything with knowledge. So He the Glorified knows what was and what will be from the affairs of the past present and future. And it is the same whether the affairs are from His actions or from His creation. So everything that happened or will happen in the heavens and the earth from the small affairs and the big affairs, those that are apparent and those that are hidden then verily Allah the Exalted has full knowledge of it; and it will not happen except with His will and with Him managing it; and there is no argument concerning this.
So since this is the case, then the Koran is the speech of Allah and Allah the Glorified is the most truthful of all, (Allah says) (and whose words can be truer than those of Allah?) (Chapter 4 verse 122)
And the speech of Allah is the best and it is the most clear in clarifying affairs; (and who is better in speech than Allah)
Therefore it is not possible that there could occur in His speech, which comes from His knowledge, which is the most complete in its truthfulness, and the expression of His purpose; it is not possible that there could ever occur in speech of this magnitude that which contradicts reality, nor could reality ever oppose what He has made clear.
And whoever has understood that there is in the Koran that which contradicts reality or that there are some occurrences that oppose the Koran has an incorrect understanding, and there is no doubt about this.
And the verses that some people think are proof that the moon is in the actual heavens itself dont clearly state that the moon is set in the heavens itself, the heavens which is the protected ceiling. Yes from the apparent wording the moon is in the heavens itself, but if it has been confirmed that the space shuttle reached it and landed upon it then this is proof that the moon is not in the heavens of the dunya, which is the protected ceiling rather it is in orbit between the heaven and the earth.
As Allah the Exalted said, (And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating.) (Chapter 21 verse 33)
And Allah the Exalted said, (It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit.) (Chapter 36 verse 40)
Ibn Abbas may Allah be pleased with him said; they rotate like a spindle rotates in its orbit. At-thalabi and al-Mawardi mentioned that Hasan Al Basri said, The sun, moon, and the stars are in orbit between the heavens and the earth and they are not attached to it and if they had been attached they would not have run (their course). This was mentioned in Kortubis tafseer of Sura Yaseen.
{Translators note: Hasan Al Basri was born around 642 CE}
And the statement that the star and the moon are in orbit between the heaven and the earth does not negate what Allah mentions of them both being in the heaven; because the word sky (heaven) is used sometimes for everything that is high. Ibn Qutaiba said, Everything that is above you then it is the heaven (sky).
{Translatorýs note: Ibn Qutaiba was born around 828 CE}
So the meaning of them being in the sky will mean that they are high, and that they are in the direction of the sky.
And the word sky comes in the Koran with the meaning of that which is high, as in the statement of Allah the Exalted, (And We send down blessed water from the sky) (Chapter 50 verse 9) meaning rain, and rain comes down from the clouds which are between the sky and the earth.
So if it has been confirmed about what was mentioned about the surface of the moon, then this increases our knowledge about the great signs of Allah due to this great occurrence happening, and what is bigger and greater than this (is that the moon) runs its course between the sky and the earth for an appointed term specified by Allah the Exalted; it will not change nor will it proceed nor will it delay from the course that has been decreed by the One who is all mighty all knowledgeable.
And with this, sometimes all of it is illuminated so it becomes a full moon, and sometimes parts of it are illuminated some it becomes a moon or a crescent moon and this is by the decree of One all mighty all knowledgeable.
As for what has become famously known about the moon being in the sky of the dunya, and Mercury being in the second sky, and Venus being in the third sky, and the sun is in the fourth sky, and Mars is in the fifth sky, and Jupiter is in the sixth sky, and Saturn is in the seventh sky; then this is something that has been stated by the scholars of astronomy and there is no authentic hadith from the Prophet peace and blessings are upon him.
And the proof of this is what has been narrated by Ibn Kathir, with his abundant knowledge may Allah have mercy upon him, when it was stated that the sun was in the fourth orbit he said, There is nothing in the Shariah that disaffirms this, rather there is in it what is perceived, and the discoveries which are a proof for it and what necessitates it. So his statement that there is nothing in the Shariah that disaffirms this and his using as a proof to affirm it, that which is perceived, is a proof that there is nothing in the Shariah that affirms this (either); meaning that it has not been confirmed that the sun is in the fourth orbit, and Allah knows best.
2. As for the Koran not being a proof of the space shuttle reaching the moon, then this is because those that think that the Koran is a proof for this; use the statement of Allah the Exalted, (O assembly of jinns and men. If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, then pass (them) But you will never be able to pass them, except with authority {from Allah}) (Chapter 55 verse 33) And they explain authority as being knowledge, and this proof is refuted from a number of angles.
Firstly: The context of that verse indicates that this challenge is on the Day of Resurrection, and this will be crystal clear for the one who reads this Sura from the beginning. Because Allah mentions in (this Sura) the beginning of mankinds and jinns creation and what He has subjugated for them in the horizon of the sky and on the earth then He mentions how everyone on the earth will cease to exist; then He says, (We shall attend to you, O you two classes {jinns and men}) (Chapter 55 verse 31), and this is the reckoning.
Then He challenges the jinn by telling them that they have neither escape nor any refuge in the zones of the sky or in the earth to allow them to flee and they have no power to assist (one another) to allow them to help each other and to be saved from the terror. Then He closes out by mentioning the recompense for the people of evil from what they deserve and the reward for the people of good with what they want and hope for.
And there is no doubt that the context makes clear the meaning and aids it, and it is possible to have a word or a sentence, that has a certain meaning in one place and a different meaning in another place. And sometimes you will see a word with two opposite meanings and you are able to distinguish the meaning by the context; as is well known with the words that can carry two opposite meanings in the language.
And if it is assumed that this noble verse can correctly be in a general context as information about what will happen in the dunya, then in this instance it does not fit rather this is a threat and a an impossibility on the Day of Judgment and this is understood from what has proceeded and from the context.
Secondly, all the Scholars of tafseer mention that this is a threat and impossibility and it is a consensus that this will occur on the Day of Judgment. And Sheikh Muhammad Amin As Shanqeeti spoke about this verse in Sura Al Hajr concerning the statement of Allah the Exalted, (And indeed, We have put the big stars in the heaven and We beautified it for the beholders. And We have guarded it (near heaven) from every outcast devil.) (Chapter 15 verses 16 and 17) He (Sheikh Shanqeeti) described the one who believes this verse points to the ascension to the sky as one who does not any knowledge of the book of Allah.
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JazaakAllaah khayr akhi Rasheed. Can you please complete the translation from Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen and mention the source?
Below are 2 links to the fatwas of [url=http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=11&Topic=7068&sortby=desc]Shaykh Ibn Baaz[/url]:
[url=http://alifta.com/Fatawa/FatawaDetails.aspx?View=Page&PageID=1182&PageNo=1&BookID=14#P226]Ibn Baz Fatwas vol. 9 pg. 226-229[/url]
[url=http://alifta.com/Fatawa/FatawaDetails.aspx?View=Page&PageID=48&PageNo=1&BookID=14]Ibn Baz Fatwas vol. 1 pg. 254-267[/url]
Finally, the link to the advice of the Permanent Committee of Scholars is
[url=http://alifta.com/Fatawa/FatawaDetails.aspx?View=Page&PageID=10060&PageNo=1&BookID=7#P418]Permanent Committee Fatwas - Group 1, vol. 26, pg. no. 418[/url]
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Daud ibn Tunnell
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Who said the space shuttle landed on the moon!?! That has never happened!
..."Know that the Religion is what came from Allaah, the Blessed and Most High. It is not something left to the intellects and opinions of men. Knowledge of it is what comes from Allaah and His Messenger (Salallaahu Alayhi wa Salam)"...Imam Barbahaaree
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