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sayfullaah
11-27-2002 @ 12:00 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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فضيلة الشيخ صالح الفوزان
السؤال :هل من الأعتداء في الدعاء دعاء القنوت طلب هلاك كل الكفار وتدميرهم كلهم وفنائهم كلهم من الوجود؟ ومالمشروع في ذلك؟

الجواب: المشروع في القنوت وغيره الدعاء على المعتدين من الكفار على المسلمين، لأن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لما قنت يدعو على الكفار خص المعتدين منهم ولم يدع على جميعهم فقال: اللهم العن فلاناً وفلاناً والقبيلة الفلانية ولم يعمم الكفار.

المرجع مجلة الدعوة العدد1869 16 رمضان
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I think there might arise a misunderstanding bewteen the title of this post, the question being asked and the answer of the Shaikh, may Allaah preserve him. The title of the post says:

"Is it permissible to ask Allaah to destroy the Kuffaar in Qunoot?"
However, the question states:

"Is it an infringement of du'aa to request the destruction and decimation of ALL the Kuffaar and their complete eradication from existence? And what is legislated regarding that?

And the answer of the our elder, teacher and leader is:

"That which is legislated regarding the Qunoot and other than that is, du'aa against the transgressors of the Muslims from among the Kuffaar.

For when the Prophet, sallallaahu alaihe wa sallam performed the qunoot upon the Kuffaar (it was) specifically on the transgressors from among them, and he did not make du'aa against all of them !

He would say: "O Allaah! Curse so and so and such and such tribe..." and would not generalize the kuffaar (as a whole).



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Moosaa
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وقال نوح رب لا تذر على الأرض من الكافرين ديارا
( And Nooh said, "O my Rabb!  Don't leave any of the kaafirs left on Earth!" ) 71:23

OOooo...

Even with this aayah in front of us, the Shaykh's answer is still correct!  Yes!  So I ask - how?!

I have the answer but I will ask the members of the board to answer before I post it, in shaa' Allaah.

Moosaa

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AbuRidwaan
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Let me take a stab at this. Because of his ('alayhis-salaam) statement following that: "Verily if you leave them they will misguide your slaves......." to the end of the aayah.

Doesn't that imply that ALL of the kuffaar on the earth during the time of Nooh were transgressors of the believers?

Moosaa
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Maa shaa' Allaah, you're definitely on the right track.  Maybe you should seek help from Ibn Jareer, rahimahullaah.

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Moosaa
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last call...?  but maybe no one is interested

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abooNoorani
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As salaamu 'alaikum,

Firstly, I would like to mention that the ayah is the 26th...this might be a reason why the brothers are having a hard time with this question.

the brother AbuRidwaan lead me to this "stab".

Nuh,alaihis salaam, knew if a single person would be left on earth he would lead the believers atray, due to their being wicked in deeds and disbelieving in their hearts. So Nuh, alaihi salaam, made this dua because due to what he knew about them since he was with them for 950 years.  And Allaahu ta'ala knows best.  Barak Allaahu feekum

Aboo Noorani Abdullaah Abdur-raheem Gonzalez

Moosaa
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THE ISSUE:  The shaykh was asked about making du'aa' against all of the kuffaar that Allaah destroys them all.  This is not permissible as Shaykh Saalih Al-Fowzaan has mentioned.  Then I mentioned the aayah from Soorah Nooh, which may confuse someone who hears the fatwaa, since Nooh actually made du'aa for Allaah to destroy all the kuffaar!  So then how is this fatwaa correct???

THE ANSWER:  The fatwaa of Shaykh Saalih Al-Fowzaan is correct without a doubt as it is not permissible to ask Allaah to destroy ALL the kuffaar, since this is something that we know is not going to happen.  We are not permitted to make du'aa for things that Allaah has informed us are not going to happen.  Qataadah alluded to this when he said:

"Wallaahi, Nooh did not make du'aa' against them until the revelation came to him from the sky:

إنه لن يؤمن من قومك إلا من قد آمن

( Verily  none of your people will believe except those who have already believed ) (Hood 36)

So then Nooh made du'aa against them saying:

وقال نوح رب لا تذر على الأرض من الكافرين ديارا
( And Nooh said, "O my Rabb!  Don't leave any of the kaafirs left on Earth!" )" 71:23

End of Qataadah's statement (Tafseer At-Tabaree #35037, 12/256 Al-Kutub Al-'Ilmiyyah)

So then you see that Nooh was an exception to this, as he only asked Allaah to destroy them all when he was given knowledge that none of their descendants would believe.

So since we have not been informed that there will be no more believers to come from the disbelieving people, and in fact everyday life shows us that kuffaar are accepting Islaam all the time (me being one of them), so then we may not make du'aa for Allaah to destroy all of them.

This same principle of NOT MAKING DU'AA FOR THINGS THAT YOU KNOW ARE NOT GOING TO HAPPEN shows us that:

You may not ask for forgiveness for the kuffaar, since Allaah has informed us that they will not be forgiven.

You may not ask Allaah to not let you go over the siraat (the bridge over the Hellfire) since we have been informed that all of u must pass over it, rather we can ask for ease and quickness, etc.

This is basically a summary of what I understood from a conversation with Dr. Muhammad Umar Baazmool some months ago.  He also mentioned that Ibn Taymiyyah dealt with this issue in some detail, but I have not been able to find his statements.

I hope this clarifies the issue, and Allaah knows best.

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.... Edited ....

This message was edited by abu.yusuf.iesaa on 11-20-03 @ 3:36 PM






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