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11-10-2004 @ 9:48 PM    Notify Admin about this post
aboo 'ubayd Ozan ibn Bedir (London U.K.)
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This type of behaviour has been spread on some of the e-mail groups. We all need to be make sure that we understand the texts correctly and then implement them. Also we should withold from spreading information unless there is an established benefit and make sure that our positions are based upon knowledge and understanding.

aboo 'ubayd awzan ibn badr ibn saalih

11-08-2004 @ 1:20 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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Oh Shaykh, You find from the women those who make their child fast and the child is only two years of age. They use as a proof for this, that the Salaf used to make the young children fast. What are your comments upon this?


That which I am aware of from which the scholars have mentioned, is that the young child should be commanded to fast, if they are able to handle it. I believe that they intend by this the child who has reached the age of discretion (tamyeez) or those above that, those who are (approx.) 8 or 9 years of age because they are said to be able to handle it. The child is commanded with acts of worship when he reaches the age of discretion. This is as training and to get him accustomed to it so he may know the acts of worship like the prayer and fasting.

     As for the woman making the child fast and they are two years of age then this is a mistake. I don?t know any example of this from the actions of the Salaf. I hope that you convey my Salaams to them. And I advise them to fear Allah as it pertains to their children. For, verily the child who is two will suffer harm from fasting and he has no intellect to allow him to be commanded. That which is reported upon the Salaf is that the child should be commanded, and the like of him, (the two year old) will not be able to comprehend a command or prohibition. Those women making their children (the like of this age) fast are committing a monstrous mistake.

     I fear that if the baby was to die, due to the mother making him fast, she caused this and no doubt she is a sinner. I hold that she caused this and she has to pay blood money and ?Kafarah? expiation.  

I apologise for the delay in responding to the people that sent me e-mails asking about this matter.

وقال شيخ الإسلام ابن تيمية:
لا عيب على من أظهر مذهب السلف وانتسب إليه واعتزى إليه بل يجب قبول ذلك منه بالاتفاق فإن مذهب السلف لا يكون إلا حقا
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