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As-Salaamu' Alaikum Jami'aan As-Salafiyoon.
The question was raised from amongst our salafi brothers here in Columbus seeking baseerah.
Is there any hadeeth for or against female circumcision?
Baarak-Allaahu Feekum - wa sal-Allaahu wa-sallam 'alaa Nabiyyinaa Muhammad,
was-Salaam 'alaykum wa-Rahmatullaahe wa-Barakaatuh.
Abu' Salafia'tayn Faruq Al-Fauzani Rabee'us-Sunnah As-Salafi 'ibn Saja Huie As-Salafiyyah
-From As-Salafiyoon in Columbus-
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| Moosaa
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ÞÇá ÇáÅãÇã ÇáÈÎÇÑí: ÍóÏøóËóäóÇ ÃóÍúãóÏõ Èúäõ íõæäõÓó ÍóÏøóËóäóÇ ÅöÈúÑóÇåöíãõ Èúäõ ÓóÚúÏò ÍóÏøóËóäóÇ ÇÈúäõ ÔöåóÇÈò Úóäú ÓóÚöíÏö Èúäö ÇáúãõÓóíøóÈö Úóäú ÃóÈöí åõÑóíúÑóÉó ÑóÖöíó Çááøóåõ Úóäúåõ ÓóãöÚúÊõ ÇáäøóÈöíøó Õóáøóì Çááøóåõ Úóáóíúåö æóÓóáøóãó íóÞõæáõ:
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"The fitrah is five (things): circumcision, shaving (the hair of the private area), trimming the mustache, clipping the nails, and removing the underarm hair." [Al-Bukhaaree]
æÞÇá ÇáÅãÇã ãÓáã: ÍóÏøóËóäóÇ ãõÍóãøóÏõ Èúäõ ÇáúãõËóäøóì ÍóÏøóËóäóÇ ãõÍóãøóÏõ Èúäõ ÚöÈúÏö Çááøóåö ÇáúÃóäúÕóÇÑöíøõ ÍóÏøóËóäóÇ åöÔóÇãõ Èúäõ ÍóÓøóÇäó ÍóÏøóËóäóÇ ÍõãóíúÏõ Èúäõ åöáóÇáò Úóäú ÃóÈöí ÈõÑúÏóÉó Úóäú ÃóÈöí ãõæÓóì ÇáúÃóÔúÚóÑöíøö Í æ ÍóÏøóËóäóÇ ãõÍóãøóÏõ Èúäõ ÇáúãõËóäøóì ÍóÏøóËóäóÇ ÚóÈúÏõ ÇáúÃóÚúáóì æóåóÐóÇ ÍóÏöíËõåõ ÍóÏøóËóäóÇ åöÔóÇãñ Úóäú ÍõãóíúÏö Èúäö åöáóÇáò ÞóÇáó æóáóÇ ÃóÚúáóãõåõ ÅöáøóÇ Úóäú ÃóÈöí ÈõÑúÏóÉó Úóäú ÃóÈöí ãõæÓóì ÞóÇáó ÇÎúÊóáóÝó Ýöí Ðóáößó ÑóåúØñ ãöäó ÇáúãõåóÇÌöÑöíäó æóÇáúÃóäúÕóÇÑö ÝóÞóÇáó ÇáúÃóäúÕóÇÑöíøõæäó áóÇ íóÌöÈõ ÇáúÛõÓúáõ ÅöáøóÇ ãöäó ÇáÏøóÝúÞö Ãóæú ãöäó ÇáúãóÇÁö æóÞóÇáó ÇáúãõåóÇÌöÑõæäó Èóáú ÅöÐóÇ ÎóÇáóØó ÝóÞóÏú æóÌóÈó ÇáúÛõÓúáõ ÞóÇáó ÞóÇáó ÃóÈõæ ãõæÓóì ÝóÃóäóÇ ÃóÔúÝöíßõãú ãöäú Ðóáößó ÝóÞõãúÊõ ÝóÇÓúÊóÃúÐóäúÊõ Úóáóì ÚóÇÆöÔóÉó ÝóÃõÐöäó áöí ÝóÞõáúÊõ áóåóÇ íóÇ ÃõãøóÇåú Ãóæú íóÇ Ãõãøó ÇáúãõÄúãöäöíäó Åöäøöí ÃõÑöíÏõ Ãóäú ÃóÓúÃóáóßö Úóäú ÔóíúÁò æóÅöäøöí ÃóÓúÊóÍúíöíßö ÝóÞóÇáóÊú áóÇ ÊóÓúÊóÍúíöí Ãóäú ÊóÓúÃóáóäöí ÚóãøóÇ ßõäúÊó ÓóÇÆöáðÇ Úóäúåõ Ãõãøóßó ÇáøóÊöí æóáóÏóÊúßó ÝóÅöäøóãóÇ ÃóäóÇ Ãõãøõßó ÞõáúÊõ ÝóãóÇ íõæÌöÈõ ÇáúÛõÓúáó ÞóÇáóÊú Úóáóì ÇáúÎóÈöíÑö ÓóÞóØúÊó ÞóÇáó ÑóÓõæáõ Çááøóåö Õóáøóì Çááøóåõ Úóáóíúåö æóÓóáøóãó:
ÅöÐóÇ ÌóáóÓó Èóíúäó ÔõÚóÈöåóÇ ÇáúÃóÑúÈóÚö æóãóÓøó ÇáúÎöÊóÇäõ ÇáúÎöÊóÇäó ÝóÞóÏú æóÌóÈó ÇáúÛõÓúáõ
"When he sits between her legs and the circumcized part touches the (other) circumsized part, then a bath becomes obligatory." [Muslim]
Moosaa Richardson
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æÞÇá ÇáÅãÇã ÃÍãÏ: ÍóÏøóËóäóÇ ÓõÑóíúÌñ ÍóÏøóËóäóÇ ÚóÈøóÇÏñ íóÚúäöí ÇÈúäó ÇáúÚóæøóÇãö Úóäö ÇáúÍóÌøóÇÌö Úóäú ÃóÈöí ÇáúãóáöíÍö Èúäö ÃõÓóÇãóÉó Úóäú ÃóÈöíåö Ãóäøó ÇáäøóÈöíøó Õóáøóì Çááøóåõ Úóáóíúåö æóÓóáøóãó ÞóÇáó:
ÇáúÎöÊóÇäõ ÓõäøóÉñ áöáÑøöÌóÇáö ãóßúÑõãóÉñ áöáäøöÓóÇÁö
"Circumcision is a sunnah for the men, a noble action for the women." [Ahmad]
ÃÎÑÌå ÈÑÞã 20719 Ýí ãÓäÏå æáßäå ÖÚíÝ áÚäÚäÉ ÇáÍÌÇÌ Èä ÃÑØÇÉ ÝÅäå ãÏáÓ¡ æÞÇá ÇÈä ÇáÞíã Ýí ÊÍÝÉ ÇáãæÏæÏ ÈÚÏ Ãä Èíä ÖÚÝå _ Õ292 ãä ØÈÚÉ ÏÇÑ ÇÈä ÇáÞíã _ ÈÃäå íÕÍ ãæÞæÝÇ Úáì ÇÈä ÚÈÇÓ. æáå Ãí áÇÈä ÇáÞíã ÝÕá Ýí Ðáß ÇáßÊÇÈ ÓãÇå ÝÕáÇ Ýí Ãä Íßãå íÚã ÇáÐßÑ æÇáÃäËì¡ ÞÇá Ýíå: áÇ ÎáÇÝ Ýí ÇÓÊÍÈÇÈå ááÃäËì æÇÎÊáÝ Ýí æÌæÈå. Õ321
æÇááå ÃÚáã
Imaam Ahmad collected it in his Musnad (#20719), but it is dha'eef due to the 'an'anah narrating of Al-Hajjaaj ibn Artaah, as he is mudallis. Ibn Al-Qayyim said in Tuhfatul-Mawdood after clarifying its weakness (p.292 of the Ibn Al-Qayyim printing) that it is authentic as the statement of Ibn 'Abbaas. Ibn Al-Qayyim has a section in that book called "Its Ruling Includes Males and Females", in it he said, "There is no differing over the recommended status (of circumcision) for females, but there is differing over it being an obligation." (p.321}. And Allaah knows best.
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| abdul.basir
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As Salaamu alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu;
I would like to know what exactly entails female circumcision, from the Sunnah. For the males, we know that it is removal of the foreskin. However, for the females what is it? In my travels, I have learned that this practice is wide spread in West Africa, where for the most part, they remove the clitoris (totally) of the female sometimes at birth and at other times when they reach puberty. If you dare to speak against their implementation of this circumcision (removal of the clitoris) you are libel to get into SERIOUS confrontation. The reason that most of them give is that contrary to the Sunnah, they say that removal of the clitoris curbs the women's sexual desires. So, if anyone has some clarity of female circumcision it would be of great benefit.
As Salaamu alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu
Abdul Basir al-Yardi
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| abu.basheer.alee
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ÈÓã Çááå ÇáÑÍãä ÇáÑÍíã
Wa alaikum assalaamu wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh.
Al-Albaani mentioned a narration in as-silsilah assaheehah #722 about how a girls circumcision should be performed:
Umm Atiyyah ? radhiyallaahu anhaa ? was a girl's circumciser in Madinah, so the Prophet ? sallalaahu alaihi wa sallam ?told her:
ÅÐÇ ÎÝÖÊ ÝÃÔãøí æ áÇ Êäåßí ÝÅäå ÃÓÑì ááæÌå æ ÃÍÙì ÚäÏ ÇáÈÚá
"When you circumcise, leave a little bit, and don't remove (the clitoris) completly, for verily, that makes the face more beautiful and is more pleasing to the husband."
I was reported by Abu Dawood and Al-Haakim and Al-Khateeb in Tareekh Baghdaad and others with various narrations, and the Sheikh declared it saheeh because of its many chains of narration.
Sheikh Al-Albaani has also mentioned in some of his tapes that all girls do not need to be circumcised, rather it depends on the size of the clitoris which varies among different races. Unfortunately, I do not remember the number of that tape.
Circumcision of girls is practiced widely in the Arab world (including Saudi)in a more moderate fashion than in Africa. Many of the woman doctors in these areas know how to perform it properly.
Wallahu A'lam.
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18-04-2003 @ 12:00 AM
18-04-2003 @ 12:00 AM