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As Salaamu alaikum wa Rahmatullaahi wa Barakaatuh
Brothers and Sisters of this forum:
May Allaah bless each and every one of you and keep us Firm on the Deen of Al-Islaam.
The subject of the permissible meat in America is it permissible or not has come up again and we need further clarification so we are adhereing to the quraan and sunnah. First we had a fatwa by bin Baz, rahimuhullaah that it was permissible then later I read a fatwa by Shaikh Humaid that differed with Shaikh bin Baz's but I don't go to that website any more.
Please, may Allaah grant you good in this life and the next, ameen and post info on this matter for us to adhere to in America concerning the meat here. Also, the issue here is one that the slaughter houses have been known to stun the animals before slaughtering! So this would make the meat unfit because of the pain to the animal. Is this correct or not?
Barakallaahu feeki.
Was Salaams.
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| ibn.khalid
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Wa alaikum as salaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,
The basic rule regarding the food and meat of the
People of the Book is that it if Halal. A Muslim can eat their food and marry their women, as stated in the following Ayat:
"Made lawful to you this day are At-Tayyibat [all
kinds of Halal (lawful) foods, which Allah has made lawful (meat of
slaughtered eatable animals, etc. milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits, etc..). The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals, etc.) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. (Lawful to you in
marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time, when you have given their due Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife) desiring chastity (i.e. taking them in legal wedlock) not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girl friends. And whosoever disbelieves in the Oneness of Allah and in all the other Articles of Faith [i.e. His (Allah's), Angels, His Books, His Messengers, the Day of Resurrection and Al-Qadar (Divine Preordainments)], then fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers." (Al-Maâidah 5:5)
People of the Book specifically means Christians and Jews. Scholars have
discussed in great detail exactly what is meant by the expression "People of the Book" and whether or not that meaning would change with time. The
majority of scholars say that the meaning of People of the Book has not
changed and should not change with time, even if the Christians and Jews
deviate more in their path from the True Path and regardless of how much they practice of their religion. The reasons for this understanding are very simple. Firstly, all or most of these deviations existed even before the revelation of the Quran to our Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam), yet Allah called them the People of the Book. Second, Allah did not mention in the Quran - and He surely knows that they are going to change. We should not, therefore, pay attention to these changes, and should treat them, in every way in which we deal with them, as who they are - People of the Book.
It should be pointed out that the Dhabeehah of the People of the Book is
Halal regardless of whether their country is considered to be part of the
Daar-ul-Harb (at war with Muslims) or Daar-us-Salaam (at peace with Muslims). Imam Nawawee has reported on the consensus of scholars
on this matter (al Majmuâa, V9 / P68).
HARAM FOOD IS ALWAYS HARAM
All scholars have understood food in the above Ayat to refer to meat or
Dhabeehah of the People of the Book. One should now ask the question: Are all the types of food and meat used by them Halal for us?
The answer to that can be summarized by stating that what our Deen has shown us to be Haram will always be Haram. Therefore, all the ruling discussed above apply to their Dhabeehah with one exception - the invocation of the Name of Allah over the slaughtered animal. The same conditions for the Halal requirement of Dhabeehah, are considered again, in this time with the People of the Book in mind:
1. According to Al-Maâidah 5:5 mentioned above, Muslims can only eat good and pure meats. Therefore, the flesh of swine, blood, dead
animals, etc. are not permissible for the Muslims to eat - even items (e.g.
pork) currently eaten by the People of the Book.
2. No names other than that of Allah should be invoked over the animal. If such is done, the Dhabeehah becomes Haram according to Abu Hanifah, Shafiee and Ibn Hanbal. That is the ruling if we actually hear these names invoked at the time of slaughtering. If we do not actually hear them,
scholars have said that the ruling is not to ask about it. This ruling is
supported by the majority of scholars.
3. According to Abu Hanifah and Ibn Hanbal, the Dhabeehah to the People of
the Book is not Halal unless they invoke the Name of
Allah over it. According to Malik and Shafiee, however, invoking the
Name of Allah is not a requirement, and the Dhabeehah is Halal. This
latter opinion is supported by the following:
The fact that the Al-Maâidah 5:5 declares their meat to be Halal without
imposing any restrictions such as the invocation of the Name of Allah
over the animal. Therefore, their meat is Halal for us as long as it does not belong to one or more of the ten Haram categories discussed above.
In a Hadith narrated by Aisha, she said:
"Some people told the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) that some people brought them meat and they did not know whether the Name of Allah had been spoken over it or
not. The Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) said: ?Speak the Name of
Allah over it and eat." (Reported by Al-Bukhari and Abu Dawood)
This Hadith shows that non-Muslims were not used to invoking the Name of
Allah during the time of the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam), and
that the invocation was required of Muslims because the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) had told them to invoke Allah's Name before eating. That can be interpreted to mean: because their meat
is permitted for you, you can eat it, just by mentioning Allah's Name
over it, and it does not really matter whether or not they (People of the
Book) had invoked Allah's Name over it because it is not required of
the People of the Book.
Allah has permitted us to marry women of the People of the Book, and
it is well established that the husband cannot force his wife to be a Muslim or to practice Islamic worship. Similarly, we cannot ask the People of the Book to invoke Allah's Name over an animal they slaughtered, because they are not required to do so.
If one considers Surah Al-Anâam 6:121: "Eat not(O believers) of that
(meat) on which Allah's Name has not been pronounced (at the time of the
slaughtering of the animal)" (Al-Anâam 6:121) together with the fact that
the People of the Book do not invoke Allah's Name, one may get confused. But the paradox is answered by considering the following: The meat
of the People of the Book is exempted from the restriction. The Quran
prohibits Muslims from marrying Mushrik women but at the same time has
exempted women of the People of the Book from the prohibition.
Based on this discussion and other evidences, the following conclusions have been drawn:
1. All meats prohibited in Islam are ALWAYS prohibited, even if the People of the Book eat them.
2. If a Muslim hears a Christian or a Jew invoking the
names of other than Allah, he should not eat from the Dhabeehah. But
if he does not hear them, he should not ask about it, either.
3. We cannot force the People of the Book to invoke Allah's Name when slaughtering. Hence, their Dhabeehah is Halal even without the invocation.
4. The slaughtering procedure used by the People of the Book should not kill the animal before slaughtering it.
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as salaamu 'alaykum, inshaa' Allaah the two answers below should give you a clear ruling on the issue. I posted these 2 fataawa b4 on this site, maybe you missed it.
Eating the Meat of Ahl Al-Kitaab (Jews & Christians)
Imaam Ibn Uthaymeen (Rahimahullaah)
Q. Is it permissible to eat poultry which is sold in the markets on the
basis that it is meat of the People of the Book...or is it impermissible on
the basis that it is a carcass slaughtered by unknown means i.e. was it done
by cutting off the head or electrocution or some such means... and are the
Ahl-Kitaab today truly to be considered in this ruling [as those of the
past]?
A. Yes, eating the poultry is permissible because that which is slaughtered
by the Ahl Al-Kitaab today is just as what was slaughtered by Ahl Al-Kitaab
in the time of the Prophet (sallallaahu ?alayhi wa sallam). The Ahl Al-Kitaab are of the Kuffaar
(disbelievers) whether they are in the time of the Prophet (saaws) or now.
Allah says in His Noble Book They have certainly disbelieved who say that
Verily Allah is Isa Ibn Maryam and the Messiah said "O Children of Israel
worship Allah my Lord and your Lord Verily whosoever commits shirk
(associates partners with Allah in any way) Allah has made the Paradise
forbidden to him and his end will be the Hellfire and there will be no help
to the Dhaalimeen. They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is the
third of three and there is no deity except the single Deity and if they do
not desist from what they are saying We will inflict upon those disbelievers
a painful punishment.
Allah also says in the same chapter: "Today I have made permissible for you
that which is good and wholesome and the food of those who were sent the
Scripture is permissible to you and your food is permissible to them."
As far as the methodology of the slaughtering we do not inquire about the
method because if an action has occurred min ahlihi [at the hands of those
suited to perform such an act] the conditions surrounding that act are not
asked about.
We find in Saheeh Al-Bukhari: "It is related by Aisha (raa) that a group of
people said to the Prophet (sallallaahu ?alayhi wa sallam) 'Some people came to us with some meat
about which we didn't know whether the name of Allah was mentioned over or
not' and he replied (saaws) Sammoo [Say the name of Allah] over it
yourselves and then eat. She [Aisha - raa] said that these people had just
recently been from the Kuffaar [i.e. just became Muslim and the question was
not asked as to the method of slaughter].
This rule therefore applies to the Jews and the Christians about whom we
don't know whether or not they have mentioned Allah's name or not because
their slaughtered meat is halal [permissible] to us.
Q. Please clarify the fatwa - esteemed Sheikh - If a Muslim goes to the
markets and eating places in a Christian land and purchases the lamb, beef,
of chicken and does not ask about how it was slaughtered?
A. Yes, he does not ask about the method of slaughter.
Q. What if he is informed however that the meat has been stunned by electric
shock, or has been choked or shot? What is the ruling for meat slaughtered
like this? Is it considered a carcass? [Which is impermissible to eat]
A. It is not permissible if it is known with certainty because it would be
considered a carcass.
Q. Can we understand from the hadith of Aisha (raa) which is related in the
fatwa that the question which was posed by the people to the Messenger of
Allah (saaws) was only in relation to whether Allah's name was mentioned
over the animal being slaughtered and it was not about the actual method of
slaughter?
A. Yes, they did ask about the mentioning of the name of Allah and not the
actual method of slaughtering and it is evident in the hadith that it is not
necessary to ask about either.
Q. Is it possible to say that if there are
stores in a city where the Muslim lives and those stores carry meat
slaughtered according to the Islamic method - even of it is more expensive -
that it is not then permissible to buy the meat of the Christians?
A. No it is not possible to say that because the slaughtered meat of the
Christians and the Jews is halal. However whoever leaves it [doesn't eat it]
out of a sense of piety [tawar'an], we see no fault upon him. [Tawar'a or
wara' is when a person has such piety that they will avoid even that which
is permissible to do what is even better from wanting to please Allah and
also eliminating any possibility of doing something wrong].
Q. One of the readers asks about a relation from Ali Ibn Abi Talib (raa) in
which he reportedly said: "Do not eat the meat slaughtered by Bani Taglab
because they adhere to Christianity by drink alcohol." Can this be then used
as a proof considering the Christians of today, the majority of who drink
alcohol , that it is not permissible to eat their slaughtered meat?
A. I do not know the authenticity of this statement [from the Sahabah] and
if it is authentic its meaning would be that they [Banu Taglab] were not
actually on the religion of the Christians and therefore they would not fall
under the ruling of permissibility of their slaughtered meat.
Q. If it is known that some of the slaughterhouses in this country slaughter
sheep and cattle along with swine is it permissible to eat that meat
especially when the same instruments are used to slaughter both at the same
time?
A. In this case, if we know that the knives are used for both then the meat
should be washed and it will be purified through washing.
Q. Is it possible - esteemed Sheikh - for you to address us with a word to
the Muslim in the Western countries about the obligation of staying far away
from disobedience [to Allah and His Prophet (sallallaahu ?alayhi wa sallam)] and haram things and
doubtful matters because we are aware of some of them being lax in relation
to some major sins such as not praying or illicit sex or drinking alcohol
yet he is distressed or makes complicated the eating of meat which is not
slaughtered according to Islamic method?
A. My advice to them is to have taqwa and fear Allah's punishment and to
remember the Day of Meeting, a day which the excuses of those who wrong
themselves will be of no avail. A day when the parent will not afford their
offspring anything nor can the offspring do anything for the parent. A day
when they will all be raised from their graves barefoot, and naked. We ask
Allah for all guidance and success.
Muhammad Saleh Al-Uthaimeen (rahimahullaah) 2/28/1414
May Allaah Reward www.troid.org For Publishing this Original Article in the magazine Al-Furqaan (June/July 2001 Edition)
Al-Imaam Ibn Baaz discusses meat imported from the lands of the disbelievers
Translated by Abu Sumayyah Aqeel Walker
Question: In reference to the meats that are imported from outside (i.e. outside of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia), and likewise the frozen chickens, which we do not know about their method of slaughter, since some of the scholars do not support purchasing them?
Answer: If the mentioned meats are imported from the lands of the People of the Book (i.e. Jews and Christians), it is lawful to eat them as long as you do not know something that proves its forbiddance. This is due to the statement of Allaah, far removed is He from imperfections:
"Today the good things have been made lawful for you, and the food (slaughtered meat) of those who have been given the Book (i.e. Jews and Christians) is lawful for you, and your food (slaughtered meat) is lawful for them." [Al-Maa'idah (5):5]
The fact that some of the slaughter houses in some of the lands of the People of the Book slaughter animals in a way that is not legislated, this does not neccessitate the forbiddance of the slaughtered meat that is imported from the lands of the People of the Book, until you know that this specific slaughtered meat (that you have) is from the slaughter house that slaughters in a way that is not legislated. Because the basic principle is that the meat is lawful and safe until something is known that contradicts that.
Ash-Shaikh 'Abdul-'Azeez bin 'Abdullah bin Baaz
Source: Al-Fataawaa min Kitaabid-Da'wah, Vol. 1, pp. 250-251
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Assalaamu alaikum
About "...4. The slaughtering procedure used by the People of the Book should not kill the animal before slaughtering it. " mentioned by our brother ibn.kalid, and also mentioned in the fatawa of Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen rahimahullaah,
with regard to the slaughtering in the USA does anyone know the US laws/regulations pertaining to this, also does this change from state to state, or do we need to find out how the slaughtering takes place - what I'm referring to here is NOT whether they mention the Name of Allaah, but whether they kill the animal before they slaughter it? Could you please provide solid evidence for this too, Jazakumullaah khair. Since I've heard some people say that they stun the animal before they slaughter it, but they did not provide any evidence. Where could we get this kind of info.?
Jazakumullaah khair.
Wassalaamu alaikum
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as-salaam alaykum,
With regards to the UK and this is to the best of my information then in non-Muslim abbatoirs the following happens:
Chickens are hung upside down on a conveyer line and then dipped into electrified water which 99% of the time kills them.
Sheep normally have a bolt put into their brains which kills them
Cows are either strapped into a vice type machine and a very heavy large weight comes crashing into their heads or they use the same method as for sheep (remember the foot and mouth) where they even burnt them in piles and they weren't always killed first.
Again this information is from a while back when I USED to be a strict vegan and this was the reason why I became vegan before I became Muslim.
And Allaah knows best
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Assalamu Alaykum,
Just to clarify, the above article I posted was not written by me. It appeared in one of the Islamic magazines, and someone emailed it to me.
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which islaamic magazine exactly?
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In the Name of Allaah, Ar-Rahmaan, Ar-Raheem, may His Salaah and Salaam be upon Al-Mustafaa Al-Ameen, wa ba'd:
Apparently, the original post of Ibn Khalid was taken from JUMUAH Magazine. So we need to understand the following things.
1) We have a duty to relay our sources, and this is from the "amaanah 'ilmiyyah" (trust of conveying knowledge properly).
2) Knowledge is to be taken from the scholars, not from their enemies. This necessitates that we WEAN ourselves from websites, publications, etc that oppose the promotion of true Islaam upon the understanding of the Salaf.
3) If we are quoting from sources that are not salafee, then we still must mention the source. One's hesitance to do so would indicate that he should not have even been reading that source in the first place, let alone referring to it in a public forum.
4) If someone asks a question on a public forum, if you have something on the issue from the Book of Allaah, the Sunnah, the Companions, the Imaams or the trustworthy salafee scholars, then convey it. Otherwise, do not feel the obligation to answer them by using a search engine or hunting for an answer from anywhere. We have been prohibited from at-takalluf (overburdening oneself); and whoever believes in Allaah and the Last Day must either speak good or keep silent.
5) JUMUAH Magazine is published by AL-MUNTADAA. I do not know the details of MUNTADAA very well, so perhaps someone with knowledge of them could elaborate.
I DO know, however, from my SUROOREE past, from WORKING in Madison, Wisconsin at JUMUAH MAGAZINE on Hammersley Drive six years ago, the following things:
a) The editor then, and still current editor, Hassan Laidi, said about the book AL-ALBAANEE UNVEILED that Shaykh Al-Albaanee deserved this kind of treatment because of his own harshness against others. I heard him say this in his office during my (7-month) stay there.
b) I also heard him say that Shaykh Muhammad Amaan Jaamee slandered the du'aat so much that Allaah punished him by giving him throat (or tongue) cancer and he died from that.
Refer to the following link to read about this great imaam from our scholars, and so that you will know how despicable the one who speaks against him is:
http://fatwa-online.com/scholarsbiographies/15thcentury/muhammadamaan.htm
c) I also remember them stopping Abu Ameer from CWP from putting an ad in their magazine that promoted THE METHODOLOGY OF THE PROPHETS by Shaykh Rabee'. He was forced to choose another book to use instead or his ad would not be printed. They adamently told Abu Ameer that he did not know the filth that this man (Shaykh Rabee') was spreading about Sayyib Qutb and Mawdoodi.
So if they are an ?ISLAMIC MAGAZINE? then why are they preventing the words of the scholars, and thus, the spread of Islaam?! This book is one of the most NEEDED books in this day and time. May Allaah reward our shaykh Rabee? As-Sunnah for his jihaad against the people of desires and grant him long life.
d) Their Masjid, Masjid As-Sunnah, funded by JUMUAH Magazine, was full of Salmaan Al-'Awdah tapes.
e) They are passionate in their love for Safar Al-Hawaalee and Salmaan Al-'Awdah, two of the Saudi revolutionaries JAILED upon recommendation of the Shaykh the Imaam Ibn Baaz himself. See: http://www.troid.org/articles/manhaj/innovation/liesontheulamaa/ibnbaaz.htm
f) The publishing director, Mounir Ibrahim, at that time, taught me a few lessons from the book JAAMI'ul-'Uloom wal-Hikam, and he tried to slip in HAAKIMIYYAH on me by stating, "The very first rule in Usool Al-Fiqh is LAA HAAKIM ILLAA ALLAAH..." Shaykh Rabee? said about this confused and self-contradictory phrase:
هذا التفسير يجعلك ترى الشرك أمامك كأنك لم ترَ شيئاً
?This interpretation makes you view SHIRK right in front of you, as if you see nothing!?
See: http://www.sahab.org/books/files/aqeeda/altawhid1.doc
In brief, the HAAKIM is the created being who makes judgements like a qaadhee, so to say LAA HAAKIM ILLAA ALLAAH is like saying THERE IS NO WORSHIPPER OTHER THAN ALLAAH, since making judgements is a form of worship, as the servant rules by Allaah?s Book hoping for the reward from Him, ta?aalaa. So you see their very foundations that they teach to new Muslims are nothing but falsehood.
If someone was to say, ?But I haven?t seen anything in the Magazine itself that is dangerous?? The reply is as follows:
1) You are either ignorant of the Deen or ignorant of what is in JUMUAH Magazine.
2) Didn?t you see them promoting Jamaal Zarabozo for years as a Mufti, and the guy is incapable of even picking up the phone and holding a conversation in ?arabic with any of the scholars, AS THE STAFF OF JUMUAH MAGAZINE themselves admitted to me!
3) Don?t you see them cutting and pasting from MUNAJJID?s website?
4) Don?t you see them advertising for ISNA, ICNA, IANA, and other clearly deviant organizations?
And don?t you know that if the people behind the magazine are on something, it is only a matter of time before it manifests in their da?wah? And I believe that the only thing that has prevented them from coming out of their closet in totality is that the magazine business itself is a dead business as the world goes on-line to get their publications. It is only a matter of years as some experts predict that most magazines go out of business. Magazine businesses are suffering huge losses as this medium dies out. By this, we have been saved from the potential fitnah that they could have sprung upon the unsuspecting Muslims, and we thank Allaah for that.
Their ?arab counterpart, AS-SIRAAT AL-MUSTAQEEM, the magazine found side by side in any true ?Arab surooree?s house, published from Pittsburgh, PA, came out of their closet 100%, and notice the insight of the kaafir who wrote this article, exposing the roots of IANA ? DAAR MAKKAH, which was the group that published THE FRIDAY REPORT, which later became? you got it: JUMUAH Magazine:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/specialreports/jihad/s_84622.html
Also, see this one for a cover shot of the final JIHAD issue of SIRAAT AL-MUSTAQEEM, and look how closely it resembles ALJUMUAH, and it is not only in the actual artwork:
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/specialreports/jihad/s_84612.html
OK now I have gone a little off of my topic. I was advising our brother, Ibn Khaalid, about his using the material from JUMUAH Magazine. And I know that he did not intend to promote the magazine, and that is why he did not mention where it came from.
I am not chastising you akhee Ibn Khaalid, I am only pointing out your mistake in dealing with knowledge. Quoting from sources like JUMUAH MAGAZINE is wrong akhee. I hope you see the error in what you have done and understand that your brother seeks to help you. I hope that Allaah will protect me and you from wandering on to web sites of the deviants and from listening to them, even one word. Let our stance on them be the stance of the SALAF AS-SAALIH as summarized by Al-Awzaa?ee (d. 157H):
فكونوا لهم حذرين متهمين رافضين مجانبين، فإن علماءكم الأولين ومن صلح من المتأخرين كذلك كانوا يفعلون ويأمرون
"Be people who warn against them (the people of bid'ah), insult them, reject them, and stay away from them; for verily your early scholars and the righteous later ones did just like that, and they used to order the people to be like that."
Finally, I would like to say one thing further, but it is VERY SECONDARY, JUMUAH Magazine was very under-qualified to speak on the issue of halaal meat in America. I was working there when those two issues came out and they were pretty much making it up as they went along. They were taking stuff from websites and then when a reader sent in a question about their source, they replied, ?Well, it WAS on a web page, but now it seems that web page no longer exists.? This reply was actually published in their magazine shortly after they ran the articles! Their foolish attempt to tackle an issue that we are in need of the scholars for only confused the confused readers even more. And they did not even have a conclusion for the subject. They came up empty-handed, saying something like MORE RESEARCH IS NEEDED.
So I will end with yet a further reminder, dear brothers and sisters, if you truly want to be thankful to Allaah for guiding you to Islaam, the Sunnah, and the way of the Salaf As-Saalih, then take care of the precious guidance that He granted you by sticking only to the trustworthy publications and websites that are known for their steadfastness and firmness in areas of manhaj, even if they can be counted on only one hand! And build a wall between yourselves and the avenues of straying! May Allaah make us from the thankful ones and forgive us.
And Allaah knows best.
Moosaa
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Jazaak Allaahu khairan for these important words Akh Moosaa.
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Mashaa'Allah, Thanks for the advice Akhi Moosaa! I appreciate it. Jazaak Allahu Khair wa Baraak Allahu Feek
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assalamu alaykum
I know that there are For permissable ways that The USDA allow animals to be "stunned "
1) Carbon Dioxide : Used to make the animals Unconscious
2) Mechanical : Stunning ; Two types of these methods that fire a bolt out of a muzzle . The bolt is discharged by a measured amount of gunpowder. The bolt must hit the skull in a precise location to make the animal unconscious.
3) A small- bore firearm : it can only use hollow pointed bullets, Frangile plastic/iron composition bullets, or powdered iron bullets.
4) Electric current : An electric current is applied to the head
These are under the Humane slaughter act of 1978 which is still in use now . the only exceptions are ritual slaughter ( Kosher and Islaamic)
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/ofo/hrds/slaugh/redmeat/humane.pdf
I would advise those who eat at places like popeyes, kfc, mcdonalds to ask questions.
I know popeyes uses pork ingredients in their gravy, red beans and rice
Mcdonalds cooks it burgers on the same grill it does bacon
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As-Salaamu Alaykum
I know this is not the subject at hand, but this is from Shaykh Muqbil
Cooperating and Working with Al-Muntadaa Al-Islaamee
Shaikh Muqbil Ibn Haadee Al-Waadi?ee
Tuhfat-ul-Mujeeb ?an As?ilat-il-Haadir wal-Ghareeb (pg. 143-147) [Original source is a tape ?Questions from England? recorded on Ramadaan 13, 1416H]
Question: There is a group amongst us (in Britain) called Muntadaa Al-Markaz Al-Islaamee. They are connected with Muhammad Suroor and they sell his books and interact with him. And they have a tazkiyah (approval/recommendation) from Shaikh ?Abdul-?Azeez Ibn Baaz and Shaikh Ibn ?Uthaimeen that encourages cooperating with them and being connected to them. So what is your advice to Al-Muntadaa Al-Islaamee and what is your advice to the Salafees who cooperate and work with them in Da?wah?
Answer: My advice to them is that they return to the condition they were upon when they were spreading the Qur?aan and Sunnah in their magazine ?Al-Bayaan? and in their magazine ?As-Sunnah?. We were extremely pleased with the magazine ?As-Sunnah? and likewise with the magazine ?Al-Bayaan?. But then the reality became clear ? that they were in fact Hizbees (partisans), who called people away from the scholars.
And I advise them to not clash with the Muslim rulers. This partisanship (hizbiyyah) has caused divisions within the unity of the callers to Allaah from among the Ahlus-Sunnah in Yemen, and in the lands of the Haramayn, Najd and in Sudan and in Egypt, as well as in many of the Muslim countries.
They call people to not have any concern for knowledge. There used to be a group of students that was studying with us, then they attached themselves to these people, and all of sudden they started to have contempt for their brothers (other students) and for us.
Studying the Qur?aan and the Sunnah to them is like a seashell (i.e. it is hollow and empty). And performing worship in the masjid to them is also like a seashell. And these are the masaajid, about which the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) said: ?If one of you makes wudoo (ablution) and he does it well, then he goes out to the masjid ? nothing brings him out except the prayer, he does not take one step except that Allaah raises him one level due to it and one sin gets erased from him. So when he prays, the angels do not stop sending their prayers upon him, as long as he is in prayer, saying: ?O Allaah, bless him, O Allaah, have mercy on him.? And none of you ceases to be in prayer while he is waiting for the (next) prayer.?
So I say: If Shaikh Ibn Baaz and Shaikh Ibn ?Uthaimeen gave tazkiyah (approval) to Al-Muntadaa before the Gulf Crisis, then they are both excused from that, because even we ourselves praised the magazine ?Al-Bayaan? a lot, and we called people to cooperate in working with them. And if they gave their tazkiyah after the Gulf Crisis ? and I don?t think that is so ? then they are both considered to be in error. So I say to the two Shaikhs: These people have split the Muslims here in Yemen and they have turned to attacking and showing enmity to the Ahlus-Sunnah. Rather, their harm has become great ? and I do not say that their harm is greater than that of the Ikhwaan al-Muslimeen ? for they are only like scraps as compared to the Ikhwaan al-Muslimeen. And they are the ones who transgress against many of the masaajid of Ahlus-Sunnah, amongst which is a masjid in ?Aden, the masjid of the people in Buraiqah, which Shaikh Ahmad Ibn ?Uthmaan is the Imaam of?
So if these two Shaikhs issued a tazkiyah (religious approval), then they should take it back, just as I took mine back when their affair became clear to me during the Gulf Crisis, and when their enmity became apparent to me in Yemen. And from their heads is ?Abdul-Majeed Ar-Reemee, Muhammad Al-Baydaanee and ?Abdullaah Ibn Faysal Al-Ahdal. They have begun mocking and ridiculing their brothers. And if you were to read the Qasaa?id (poetic verses) of ?Abdul-Majeed you would have found them according to the Sunnah, but now they have diluted and melted away.
So I advise the mashaayikh to recant form their approvals (tazkiyaat), for Allaah says in His Noble Book: ?And do not argue on behalf of those who deceive themselves. Verily, Allaah does not like anyone who is a betrayer, sinner.? [Surah An-Nisaa: 107]
And He says: ?Have you not seen those who claim sanctity for themselves (i.e. given themselves tazkiyahs). Nay, but Allah sanctifies whom He wills. And they will not be dealt with unjustly, even equal to the extent of a fateel (small thread).? [Surah An-Nisaa: 49]
And He says in His Glorious Book: ?So do not purify (give tazkiyah to) yourselves, He knows best who has Taqwaa.? [Surah An-Najm: 13?]
And they use this tazkiyah (approval) for the purpose of deceiving the people, so it is not acceptable if it is used for this time, because it has become clear from them that they attack Shaikh Al-Albaanee and that they criticize Shaikh Ibn Baaz, when he issued a fatwa allowing the treaty with the Jews during the Gulf Crisis. And they rejoice at this so that they can chase the people away from the scholars, because no one has remained with them! So they say: ?We have no choice for these people, except to attack their scholars, because we (ourselves) are scholars.? And if their Shaikh opposes them he suddenly becomes from the Takfeeri group!
They invited Abu Suhaib, who was Syrian, to teach amongst them. So after he taught amongst them for as long as Allaah willed, they said: ?We feel that the fruits of your teaching should be repaid to you, so pick any land and we will give you the proper permits. So he responded: ?The lands belong to Allaah and do not belong to you. Cut off the salary you pay me because I don?t want it.? Then the students remained with him and all praise be to Allaah not one student was produced from them. Even though they are troublemakers, still by Allaah?s Grace, they have no effect. So I advise the Salafi brothers to stay far away from these Hizbees (partisans), because they are not looking for anything except to build the membership of their party.
And if ?Aqeel Al-Muqtaree comes to you, or Muhammad Al-Mahdee or other than these two, and the people say: ?This is a scholar from the scholars of Yemen?, then do not host him or allow him entry. And do not attend his lectures, because he only goes touring around for the sake of collecting dollars!
And one brother who came from America informed me that they were touring through America, giving lectures, and they would say: ?The one who supports an orphan and me are like this!? [1] So a man from the crowd stood up ? and he was looking for aid for Bosnia and Herzog ? and said: ?The one who supports the orphan is the one who feeds him not the one who begs.? So they began to dispute with one another all because of the worldly matters (Duniyaa)!
When worldly aspirations enter into the Da?wah, it?s blessing diminishes, as Allaah says: ?Does not the sincere worship belong to Allaah?? [Surah Az-Zumar: 3] And He says: ?And they were not commanded except to worship Allaah, making their worship (Religion) sincerely to Him (alone).? [Surah Al-Bayyinah: 5]
As for their magazine of begging, which we call ?Al-Furqah? (causing divisions) Magazine, and which they call ?Al-Furqaan? (The Criterion), then I challenge them to bring any of its issues which doesn?t have begging in it. And I challenge Muhammad al-Mahdee to bring forth a student of knowledge that can be studied under. Rather, you find that he has transformed ?Abdullaah Ibn Ghaalib, Muhammad Al-Baydaanee and many others, for they used to be students of knowledge here (in Yemen), but then he deluded them and misled them!
And I forgot to mention Muhammad Al-Hadeeyah who came charging from Sudan to Riyadh, then to Jeddah, then to Qatar and then to Abu Dhabi, then to Dubai, all for the purpose of building a masjid for the Sufis!
So I advise you to stay far away from these individuals! And perhaps someone may say: ?So then who should we study under?? So my response is: I hold that it is an obligation on our noble brothers in the lands of the Haramayn and Najd to send to their brothers some people (to teach them) who are not Hizbees (partisans). And it is an obligation on us also, to send to our brothers in England some of our students who can be studied under, even if they stay for three or five months.
Therefore I say: It is an obligation to turn our attention to the Qur?aan and the Sunnah. As for the lectures of the innovators, then you will see them stampeding and ramming (like wild beats) in their lectures, but then when they finish, they say: ?We have a project for establishing an educational center.? And this educational center is in the district of Daleel.
So I advise the brothers ? may Allaah preserve them ? to request from Shaikh Ibn Baaz ? may Allaah preserve him ? that he send to them someone that can teach them. And I advise my brothers here (in Yemen), that one of them should go to (them) and stay for three months, then return and someone else go. This does not fall into the realm of advice only; rather I consider it to be an obligation. But I don?t mean that a brother should arrive at England and then they waste his time by traveling around or that he doesn?t find students who want to seek knowledge from him. So they must learn some Arabic, ?Aqeedah (Creed), Islamic Fiqh and Hadeeth of the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam).
Footnotes:
[1] Translator?s Note: This is a hadeeth from Allaah?s Messenger (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam)
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| Bint.Yusuf
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This message was edited by Al-Fudayl on 5-21-03 @ 1:12 PM
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| ummmusa88
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Asalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakaatuh,
This is what I found:
United States of America
Humane Methods of Livestock Slaughter
Statute Details
Printable Version
Citation: 7 USC 1901 - 1907
Citation: 7 U.S.C.A. 1901, 1902, 1904, 1906, 1907
Summary: These statutory sections comprise what is commonly termed the Humane Slaughter Act. Included in these sections are Congress' statement that livestock must be slaughtered in a humane manner to prevent needless suffering, research methods on humane methods of slaughter, the nonapplicability of these statutes to religious or ritual slaughter, and the investigation into the care of nonambulatory livestock.
Statute in Full:
7 U.S.C.A. 1901 Findings and Declaration of Policy
The Congress finds that the use of humane methods in the slaughter of livestock prevents needless suffering; results in safer and better working conditions for persons engaged in the slaughtering industry; brings about improvement of products and economies in slaughtering operations; and produces other benefits for producers, processors, and consumers which tend to expedite an orderly flow of livestock and livestock products in interstate and foreign commerce. It is therefore declared to be the policy of the United States that the slaughtering of livestock and the handling of livestock in connection with slaughter shall be carried out only by humane methods.
7 U.S.C.A. 1902. Humane methods
No method of slaughtering or handling in connection with slaughtering shall be deemed to comply with the public policy of the United States unless it is humane. Either of the following two methods of slaughtering and handling are hereby found to be humane:
(a) in the case of cattle, calves, horses, mules, sheep, swine, and other livestock, all animals are rendered insensible to pain by a single blow or gunshot or an electrical, chemical or other means that is rapid and effective, before being shackled, hoisted, thrown, cast, or cut; or
(b) by slaughtering in accordance with the ritual requirements of the Jewish faith or any other religious faith that prescribes a method of slaughter whereby the animal suffers loss of consciousness by anemia of the brain caused by the simultaneous and instantaneous severance of the carotid arteries with a sharp instrument and handling in connection with such slaughtering.
So what I understand from this is that animals in general in the States are killed according to method (a), and method (b) is used by religious groups of Jews or Muslims. So does this mean that Kosher food will be alright for us since they slaughter in this manner, yet the food of the "Christians", like all other meat in the States, should be avoided after the information above is known?
Also, if anyone has more info on slaughter houses in the States, please post it here inshaAllah so we all may benefit. wa Allahu musta'an.
barakAllahu feekum.
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| UmmJeelan
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Asalamu Alaikum
I'm still a bit confussed. So are we saying that to eat meat at places such as fast food or any other resturaunt is okay or not?
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