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Shaykh Ibn Uthaimeen on The Khawaarij of the Era, The Kharijite Ideologists, the Preachers of Revolution and Destruction
One of the students of knowledge from Algeria asked the noble Shaikh, Muhammad bin Saalih al-Uthaimeen about some groups of people who make takfir of the rulers without any guidelines and conditions.
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The Shaikh replied: "Those who make takfir, they are the inheritors of the Khawaarij, those who rebelled against Ali bin Abi Taalib (radiallahu anhu). The kaafir is the one whom Allaah and His Messenger have declared a kaafir, and takfir itself has conditions, amongst them, ilm (knowledge) and amongst them iraadah (will, intent). So we ought to know that this ruler opposed the truth, and he knew the truth, and he intended deliberate opposition, and that he did not have any faulty interpretation (in the matter), such as when a person prostrates to an idol, and he knows that prostrating to an idol is Shirk and he does not have any faulty understanding either.
What is important is that this affair has conditions, and it is not permissible to rush into takfir, just as it is not permissible to rush into the saying, "This is halaal (lawful) and this is haraam (unlawful)."
Questioner: "Also, they listen to the cassettes of Salmaan bin Fahd al-Awdah, and Safar al-Hawaali!! Do we advise them to not listen to them?!!"
Shaikh Ibn Uthaimeen: "May Allaah bless you. The good that is in their cassettes is also found in other than their cassettes, and their cassettes have some observations against them, some of their cassettes, not all of them. And I am not able to distinguish between them for you - I (am not able) - between this and that!!
Questioner: In that case you advise us not to listen to them?
Shaikh Ibn Uthaimeen: "No (do not listen to them). I advise you to listen to the cassettes of Shaikh ibn baaz, the cassettes of Shaikh al-albaani, the cassettes of the scholars who are known for uprightness and integrity (i'tidaal), AND WHO ARE NOT KNOWN FOR REVOLUTIONARY IDEOLOGY (THAWRAH FIKRIYYAH)"!!
Questioner: O Shaikh! Even if in this matter - for example - their is difference (khilaaf), so they make takfir of the Rulers and they say that this is Jihaad - for example - in Algeria, and they listen to the cassettes of Salmaan and Safar al-Hawaali. So is this khilaaf (difference) one that is far'ee (i.e. subsidiary, as opposed to fundamental)?! Or is it a difference in the Usool (fundamentals) O Shaikh?!!
Shaikh Ibn Uthaimeen: "No! This is a difference in aqeedah (khilaaf aqdiyy), because it is from the Usool of Ahl us-Sunnah that we do not make takfir of anyone on account of a sin!"
Questioner: They, O Shaikh, do not make takfir of one who commits major sin, except the Rulers, they come with the verse, "Whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, they are the Disbelievers", and they make takfir of the Rulers only?!!
Shaikh Ibn Uthaimeen: "There is an athar (narration) from Ibn Abbaas concerning this verse, which explains that the intent is the kufr which does not expel from the religion, as occurs in the saying of the Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam), "Reviling Muslim is sin (fusooq) and fighting him is kufr (disbelief). And in the view of the some of Mufassiroon, it was actually revealed for the People of the Book, this is because the actual context of the passage is what occurs before, "Verily, We did send down the Taurıt (Torah) [to Mısa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allıh's Will, judged the Jews. And the rabbis and the priests [too judged the Jews by the Taurıt (Torah) after those Prophets] for to them was entrusted the protection of Allıh's Book, and they were witnesses thereto. Therefore fear not men but fear Me (O Jews) and sell not My Verses for a miserable price. And whosoever does not judge by what Allıh has revealed, such are the Kıfirın (i.e. disbelievers - of a lesser degree as they do not act on Allıh's Laws)." (5:44)".
The Speech of the Scholars Upon Safar and Salmaan: Part 1 - Shaykhs Ibn Baaz, al-Albaani and Ibn Uthaymeen
The Speech of the Scholars Upon Safar and Salmaan: Part 3 - Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan
Imaam al-Albani on Safar al-Hawali and Salman al-Awdah and the Book 'Madarik un-Nadhr'
Al-Hawali, Al-Awdah and al-Qahtanee Lying Upon Imaam Ibn Baaz