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Just Some Of The Errors Of Some Of The Brothers In Birmingham
(The ?Clear Path?, ?Alum Rock? And ?Hamd House?)
ملاحظات على بعض الاخوة في البرمنكهام
We Await For Them to Openly Declare Their Recantation
ننتظر التراجع والبيان من أخطاءهم
Please click here to listen to the advice of Al-Allaamah Faaleh Bin Naafi? al-Harbee
http://www.salafiaudio.com/audio/FaalihalHarbeeNaseehah1.mp3
Please click here read the translated advice of Al-Allaamah Faaleh Bin Naafi? al-Harbee
http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=6&Topic=1210
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Source: An MSN conversation Aqib (Abu Abdillah) and Adil Zargar. Dated 3rd June 2002.[Previously this was mistakingly "2003", it was a typo mistake!]
الذي جرى بين أبي عبد الله عاقب و الأخ عادل زرغر "MSN مصدر الكلام: البريد الإلكتروني عبر "
1. Error:
Aqib (of the Clear Path website) Falsely Accuses Salafis Of ?Blatant Disregard Of Advice From Kibaar?
على شبكة الإنترنت) اتّهم السلفيين برفض نصيحة العلماء الكبار ClearPath ملاحظة: أبو عبد الله عاقب (صاحب موقع
Evidence:
Abu 'Abdillah says: like some blatant disregard [by al-maktabatus-salafiyyah] of specific advice of KIBAAR ulamaa
Abu 'Abdillah says: in the shaikh Abul Hasan al Ma'ribee issue?
الدليل: أبو عبد الله عاقب: (المكتبة السلفية) رفضت رفضا صريحا نصيحة خاصة من العلماء الكبار
في مسئلة الشيخ أبي الحسن
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Points: He is agitated about the issue of al Ma?ribee and shows concern in a matter which according to what these brothers are upon, they should not be concerned with anyway and should not be speaking about it. Refer to statement of Imraan Ma?soom that appears later. As for what he is referring to, then it is explained in the point below.
2. Error:
Aqib (of the Clear Path website) Attacks Salafis Due To Abul-Hasan Ma?rabi
على شبكة الإنترنت) هجم هجومة على السلفيين لأجل أبي الحسن المأربي ClearPath ملاحظة: أبو عبد الله عاقب (صاحب موقع
Evidence:
Abu 'Abdillah says: and on spubs we have some 'pseudo aalim'
Abu 'Abdillah says: writing 'let not the noble brothers think that al maribee is back with the salafis again'
Abu 'Abdillah says: in clear contradiction to the first advice of 4 major scholars
الدليل: أبو عبد الله عاقب: و في المكتبة السلفية يوجد العالم الزائف (أي الذي يظنّ أنه عالم) كان يكتب:
" لا يظنّ الإخوة الأفاضل أنّ المأربي قد تراجع و هو مع السلفيين مرة أخرى"
(و هذا) فيه تناقض واضح للنصيحة الأولى من أربعة المشايخ الكبار
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Points: The brothers at SP were in contact with the scholars at this time (in fact during the fitnah of Abul-Hasan al-Ma?ribee, they rang Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee, Shaykh Ubayd, Shaykh Faalih, Shaykh Rabee? and others in Yemen) and also after the meeting of Abul-Hasan al-Ma?ribee with the Shaykhs in Madinah. Also Shaykh Rabee said that Abul-Hasan has not recanted from all of his errors, immediately after that meeting between al-Ma?ribee and the Shaykhs in Madinah, and the Shaykh, when he was asked whether we should spread his refutations said ?yes?. Aqib speaks upon ignorance and knows nothing of this matter and lies upon SP, however, it is apparent that his speech here is due to dislike of the brothers, as much as it is connected with the issue of al-Ma?ribee, and there are supporting factors which indicate this.
3. Error:
Aqib (of the Clear Path website) Falsely Accuses Salafis Of Hiding The Positions Of The Scholars In The Issue Of Abul-Hasan And Of Being Untrustworthy.
شبكة الإنترنت) اتّهم السلفيين بكتمان مواقف العلماء في قضية أبي الحسن ClearPath ملاحظة: أبو عبد الله عاقب (صاحب موقع على
و بكونهم غيرموثّقين
Evidence:
Abu 'Abdillah says: well the brothers [at al-maktabutus-salafiyyah] have hidden
Abu 'Abdillah says: what the mashaikh wrote?
Abu 'Abdillah says: and only quoted the things that they agree upon
Abu 'Abdillah says: akhee i don't even trust that if u heard it from spubs?
الدليل: أبو عبد الله عاقب: ألإخوة (بالمكتبة السلفية) قد كتموا ما كتب المشايخ كتابة... و نقلوا أشياء التي هي موافق لهم
ياأخي إذا سمعت هذه أشياء من المكتبة السلفية فأنا لا أثق بها
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Points: Again, he is agitated by the issue of al-Ma?ribee and sees it fit to speak about it and hold a view upon it, and yet those connected with the clear path, like Imran Abu Khuzaimah, are supposed to be complaining that they are considered off because they do not speak about this issue. The truth of the matter is that they do speak on this issue, and their speech is in the direction of defending al-Ma?ribee and sympathy for him and attacking the Salafees who are actually more aware of this fitnah than them, and have known it for at least a year and a half before they even knew anything about it!
4. Error:
Aqib Falsely Accuses Salafis Of Taqleed Of Al-Allaamah Rabee? Bin Haadee Al-Madkhalee, Hafidhahullaah.
ملاحظة: أبو عبد الله عاقب قال: إنّ الإخوة السلفيين مقلـّدة الشيخ ربيع بن هادي المدخلي حفظه الله
Evidence:
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Abu 'Abdillah says: and pick n choose what u like
Abu 'Abdillah says: and diss ulemaa
Abu 'Abdillah says: when u feel like
Abu 'Abdillah says: and narrate false things
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Abu ?Abdillah says: well the scholar [Shaykh Rabee bin Haadee] they do taqleed of in jarh and ta?deel says he's fine?
الدليل: أبو عبد الله عاقب: و (هم) يختارون أيّ شيء يوافقهم ويتركون ما لا يوافقهم و يطعنون العلماء و يفترون إفتراء
... و العالم (يعني الشيخ ربيع بن هادي) الذي هم يقلـّدونه في الجرح و التعديل يقول فيه بأنّه طيب.
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Points: This is the manhaj of Abul-Hasan, accusing the Salafees of taqleed of Shaykh Rabee?, and generally we have found that no one defends Abul-Hasan al-Ma?ribee, or gets angry against the Salafees on account of his issue, except that he has within him, or in his behaviour, aspects of the manhaj of al-Ma?ribee or has similar speech to him, or similar principles. This is the classic line of the all the partisans of Abul-Hasan al-Ma?ribee, and it has become the slogan of the Mumayy?iah. These individuals are clear affected by this fitnah because of their relative newness to this da?wah and their ignorance and belittlement of the affairs of manhaj.
5. Error:
Aqib (of the Clear Path website) Belittles And Attacks Salafis Who Have Been Upon The Clear Manhaj.
ملاحظة: أبو عبد الله عاقب يطعن و يسخر بالسلفيين على المنهج النقي
Evidence:
Abu 'Abdillah says: and there's a general feeling amongst brothers that something is big time amiss with the salafi publications
?..
Abu 'Abdillah says: what does it do?
Abu 'Abdillah says: apart from turn people away from salafiyyah?
Abu 'Abdillah says: and write everyone off trhe manhaj??
الدليل:أبو عبد الله عاقب قال: يشعر الإخوة عموما أنّ هناك خلل كبير في المكتبة السلفية....
ماذا تفعل المكتبة السلفية إلاّ صد الناس عن الدعوة السلفية و يخرجون كل واحد من المنهج (أي السلفي)
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Points: This is similar speech to Bilal Philips and others who are munharif in their manhaj, and this type of speech only comes from those who are actually ignorant of the manhaj and what the fitnah is actually about. And later (after these individuals were advised), they claimed openly that they have NEVER spoken ill of Maktabah Salafiyyah, and yet behind the scenes, they were attacking it. Outwardly, they were appearing with smiling faces, and likewise in their emails, portraying that there is nothing wrong and everything is fine (we have this documented), and yet secretly they are speaking in this manner.
Also more importantly, it is a great mistake to assume that everyone has been ON THE MANHAJ (ever since 1994-1995) onwards. This is because due to these chain of fitnahs over these years, the actual true Salafee manhaj has been made clear by the Shaykhs, like Shaykh Rabee, Shaykh Muqbil, Shaykh Ubayd and Shaykh Faalih and others, and has been separated from the false methodologies that became the norms and standards amongst those ascribing to Salafiyyah (from the point of view of aqaa'id and ibaadaat) in the years that have passed. Those people who did not give importance to these matters of manaahij from day one, it can hardly be said that they have actually been on the Salafee manhaj. This is not the case. Rather they have always been confused about the Salafee manhaj, which is why when in recent times these fitnahs opened up, their deviation from the Salafee manhaj was exposed, and their being far from the Salafee manhaj became exposed and more apparent. Thus, this doubt of "throwing everyone off the manhaj" is one of the greatest of the red herrings of the contemporary Mumayyi'ah, that they use against the Salafees, and it is based upon a false and fallacious assumption, which is that everyone has ALWAYS been upon the manhaj. What a great deception. All the Salafees have done, from day one, is to be very cautious of affirming that anyone who claims to be a Salafee, is automatically on the Salafee manhaj, due to the great number of people who did not truly appreciate and enter into the manaahij of the Salaf, and give importance to them, at the time when this was required.
6. Error:
Aqib (of the Clear Path website) Repeats His False Allegation That The Salafis In Birmingham Go Against The Advice Of The Kibaar.
ملاحظة:أبو عبد الله عاقب يكرّرتهمته بأنّ السلفيين ببرمنكهام يخالفون نصيحة العلماء الكبار
Evidence:
?Abu ?Abdillah says: so why have they [al-maktabatus-salafiyyah] gone against the kibaars advice??
الدليل:أبو عبد الله عاقب: فلماذا (المكتبة السلفية) يخالفون النصيحة كبار العلماء ( يقصد بهذا نصيحة العلماء في مسألة أبي الحسن المأربي)
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Points: Again, this is in reference to Abul-Hasan al-Ma?ribee, and he is agitated for the sake of this issue. It has already been explained that during this time, some of our brothers were in touch with Shaykh Rabee?, Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee and others, and it was clear that Abul-Hasan was not free from errors, after his so called retraction (which was suspected to be mere games anyway). We notified the people that he had retracted from a few issues, and that there are many more still left, so the people should not rejoice prematurely, because there are other Kibaar Ulamaa who said what we merely transmitted from them. And this was how the situation was.
7. Error:
Aqib (of the Clear Path website) is not happy that the Salafees have taken a Jarh Mufassar from Shaykh Rabee?, Shaykh Faalih and the Shaykhs of Yemen, and continues to become angry for the sake of al-Ma?ribee
ملاحظة:عاقب هذا لا يرضى أنّ السلفيين أخذوا الجرح المفسر من الشيخ ربيع و الشيخ فالح ولمشايخ اليمن، و يغضب لأجل المأربي
Evidence:
?Adil says: akhee doesnt teh kibaar also include sh najmee,... who said abulhasan is outside salafiyyah??
الدليل:عادل: يا أخي أ ما يعتبر الشيخ أحمد النجمي من الكبارا؟
و هو الذي قال إنّ أبا الحسن خارج عن الدعوة السلفية
Abu 'Abdillah says: unless trhey [i.e. al-maktabatus-salafiyyah] consider themselves above their [the kibaar] advice?
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Abu 'Abdillah says: u just don't understand?
أبو عبد الله عاقب: أ يظنّون أنّهم (أي المكتبة السلفية) فوق نصيحة العلماء؟
و أنت ما تفهم.
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Points: Either he should excuse the Salafees and accept the fact that Shaykh Rabee? and Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee and Shaykh Faalih and Shaykhs of Yemen have jarh upon him, or otherwise remain silent and not make an issue out of this. This shows that the issue bugs him and concerns him.
8. Error:
Aqib (of the Clear Path website) Claims That The Issue Of Abul-Hasan Al-Ma?rabi Is Between The Kibaarul-?Ulemah And Should Not be spread Amongst The People And Its Only Between The Scholars.
ملاحظة:عاقب يزعم أنّ مسألة المأربي بين كبار العلماء و ليس لها تأثير على عامة السلفيين (يعني لا ينبغي نشر ردود العلماء و تحذيرهم من أصول المأربي بين عامة الناس).
Evidence:
Abu 'Abdillah says: this [issue of Abul-Hasan Ma?rabi] is something for the kibaar to sort out
الدليل:أبو عبد الله عاقب: (قضية المأربي) للعلماء الكبار أن يجدوا حلا
Adil says: ?well they [i.e. al-maktabatus-salafiyyah] have only quoted from teh ulemaa
Adil says: and i have read all of the forums?
عادل: هم (أي المكتبة السلفية) ينقلون إلاّ من العلماء وأنا قد قرأت كل شبكتهم
Abu 'Abdillah says: whatever shaikh ahmad said - that something between the kibaar?
أبو عبد الله عاقب: بغضّ النظر عمّا قال الشيخ أحمد هذه المسألة بين العلماء
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Points: How can what Shaykh Ahmad an-Najmee said, (which is tabdee? of Abul-Hasan al-Ma?ribee and warning from him and his followers) only related to the Kibaar, when it is a situation in which tabdee? has been made about a man and he is being warned against for his corrupt manhaj and his innovations? Why did Shaykh Ahmad warn from him then. Shaykh Rabee? later explicitly warned from him and his followers who have ta?assub to him, as did Shaykh Ubayd and the Shaykhs of Madinah and Shaykh Muhammad al-Bannaa likewise spoke against him. Because its just for the Ulamaa to beware of him? Or the whole Ummah? This again is sheer ignorance of the manhaj, how many times has Shaykh Rabee? spoken about the greatness of this fitnah and how it has greatly harmed the Salafees and the Salafee da?wah, and look at the ignorance of these youngsters, and look at the great inhiraaf in their manhaj in walaa and baraa.
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Source:
From an email from Moosaa Richardson dated, Wed 18/09/2002.
In a recent MSN conversation between Imran Masum (who goes by the title Abu Khuzaimah) and Moosaa Richardson (a good Salafee brother studying in Makkah) he said the following:
MSNمصدر الكلام: البريد الإلكتروني عبر
9. Error:
Imran Masum Of ?Alum Rock? Affirms That He Is With Aqib (TheClearPath) ? Also confirmation that Ma?rabi is an issue for them.
ملاحظة:عمران معصوم (أبو خزيمة الأنصاري) من أصحاب "ألم روك" يقر بأنّه مع أبي عبد الله عاقب وهو يثبت أنّ المأربي عندهم محل الخلاف
Evidence:
Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari says: cos i was told they [theclearpath] are off
Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari says: because they dont talk about manhaj issues of today
Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari says: like ma'aribi and so on?
الدليل:أبو خزيمة الأنصاري: لأنّي اُخبرت أنّهم خارجون (عن المنهج السلفي)، لأنّهم لا يتكلمون في مسائل المنهجية في عصرنا، كمسألة المأربي
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Points: Contains a lie, that they have been labelled as off, because they do not speak about al-Ma?ribi. This is an outright fabrication, and nothing of this sort was ever said about them. This is a display of ignorance about these matters. And contains a belittlement of the affairs of manhaj, because the issue is not actually al-Ma?ribee, it is about the Salafee manhaj. And this is the problem with these youngsters.
10. Error:
Imran Masum Of ?Alum Rock? Attacks The Salafis Who Have Always Shown Clarity Upon The Manhaj.
ملاحظة:هجومة عمران معصوم (أبو خزيمة الأنصاري) من أصحاب "ألم روك" على السلفيين الذين على الجادة علي المنهج السلفي
Evidence:
?Moosaa says: the bros at TROID and SPUBS are clear?
الدليل:موسى: الإخوة بالتريد (في الكندى) والإخوة بالمكتبة السلفية واضحون
Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari says: i dont know about troid they maybe
Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari says: but sp [al-maktabatus-salafiyyah] are becomeing very dodgy?
الدليل:أبو خزيمة الأنصاري: أنا ما أعرف بنسبة التريد ممكن (هم على بيّنة) و لكن المكتبة السلفية فيهم دخن
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11. Error:
Imran Masum Of ?Alum Rock? Attacks The Salafis With The Slogan Of Al-Ma?rabi And His Supporters ? ?Intellectual Terrorism?.
ملاحظة:هجومة عمران معصوم (أبو خزيمة الأنصاري) من أصحاب "ألم روك" على السلفيين بديدنة المأربي و أصحابه ? "الإرهاب الفكري"
Evidence:
?Moosaa says: howso??
الدليل:موسى: كيف هذا؟
?Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari says: irhaab al-fikree?
أبو خزيمة الأنصاري: الإرهاب الفكري
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Points: This is the slogan of al-Ma?ribee and whoever defended him and supported him, such as Usaamah al-Qoosee and those with him, and this slogan is used against the likes of Shaykh Rabee?, and these individuals have taken it from them, and speak with it and use it against the Salafees, indicate that they either subscribe to this manhaj, or are affected by aspects of it.
12. Error:
Imran Masum Of ?Alum Rock? Makes Clear That He Makes Walaa? and Baraa? Over The Shaykhs Of Jordan and Usaamah al-Qoosee.
ملاحظة: عمران معصوم يبيّن أنّ أصحاب "ألم روك" يجعلون يوالون و يعادون لأجل مشايخ الأردن و أسامة القوصي
Evidence:
Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari says: they [al-maktabatus-salafiyyah] speak against the mashaikh
Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari says: mathalan
Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari says: ali hasan
Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari says: sh saleem
Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari says: moosaa nasr
Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari says: and sh usaamah qoosee
Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari says: and mnay others?
الدليل:أبو خزيمة الأنصاري: المتكبة السلفية تطعن في المشايخ، مثلا علي حسن و الشيخ سليم و موسى نصر و الشيخ أسامة القوصي وغيرهم
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Points: There was no one who spoke openly about those Mashaayikh at that time (June, and if anyone did, it was based upon the speech of the Scholars who had directed criticism towards them ? and Shaykh Faalih had made strong remarks about them already). However, these individuals do not understand and appreciate the underlying issues.
13. Error:
Imran Masum Again Slanders Salafis Upon Falsehood.
ملاحظة:عمران معصوم كذب على السلفيين بهتنا و زورا
Evidence:
Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari says: i was with sp [al-maktabatus-salafiyyah] for a very long time and i know all the bros
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Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari says: Sp [al-maktabatus-salafiyyah] are going bad?
الدليل:أبو خزيمة الأنصاري: كنت مع المكتبة السلفية مدّة طويلة و أعرف الإخوة كلهم...أصبحت المكتبة السلفية سيئة
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Points: This is an outright fabrication, he was never with SP for a very long time. But because he thinks Moosaa does not know, or might not verify, he tries to fool Moosaa.
14. Error:
Imran Masum Of ?Alum Rock? Untruthfully Claims That He Has Been Advising Salafis For 3 to 4 Years! (Even Before He Knew Us!!)
ملاحظة:تكذيب عمران معصوم (أبو خزيمة الأنصاري) من أصحاب "ألم روك" بزعمه أنّه قد نصح السلفيين منذ ثلاثة أو أربعة سنين ! ( و كان هذا قبل معرفته إيّانا!!)
Evidence:
Moosaa says: advise them
Moosaa says: and be patient with their harm?
الدليل:موسى: انصحهم و اصبر على الأذى منهم
Abu Khuzaimah Ansaari says:i have been for 3-4 yrs?
أبو خزيمة الأنصاري: قد فعلت هذا لـمدة ٣-٤ سنين
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Points: This is an outright fabrication and a false claim. And he knows it. And it is shameful for him to claim such a thing.
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Please note this is not a response nor an attack upon the brother Zubayr Ali, hafidhahullaah. We have only quoted from him where it relates to Alum Rock and their associates.
تنبيه هام أنّ هذا ليس برد و لا هجومة على الأخ زبير علي حفظه الله، و قد نقلناكلام منه بنسبة أصحاب منطقة "ألم رك" و من معهم في هذه القضية.
Source:
Relevant sections of email conversations with Yasir of Nelson pertaining to Alum Rock. Note that many of the emails ?cc? to Zubayr Ali (Email addresses have been removed). Some of the quotations are from the same email, quoting different parts of it.
مصدر الكلام: البريد الإلكتروني
15. Point:
Yaasir Affirms That ?Alum Rock? Brothers Lied And Deceived
ياسرقد أقرّ بأنّ أصحاب "ألم روك" قد كذّبوا و لبّسوا
Evidence:
-----Original Message-----
From: Yaser Salafi []
Sent: 28 October 2002 18:00
To: abukhadeejah@salafipublications.com
Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Re: RE: Verification
Asalaaamu Alikum wa rehmatullaah,
Jazakallaah khairan for the info.I have yet to speak to shaikh
zubair with regards to writing the statements.But i have mentioned to
him the deception played by the Alum Rock brothers in relation to
them lying against Maktabah Salafiya for thier own politics?
الدليل:ياسر: قد أخبرت الشيخ زبيرمن تلبيس و لعب أصحاب "ألم روك" في كذبهم على المكتبة السلفية لأجل سياستهم....
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16. Point:
Alum Rock Have A ?Severe Hatred? For Salafi Publications.
أصحاب "ألم روك" عندهم بغض شديد للمكتبة السلفية
Evidence:
-----Original Message-----
From: Yaser Salafi []
Sent: 24 October 2002 14:43
To: abukhadeejah@salafipublications.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Verification
Asalaamu alikum,
may this find you in the best of emaan and health....
Alhamdulillaah,shaikh zubair acknowledges that his position regarding
Abu khadeejah and the maktabah salafiyya was grealty influenced by
the narrations of Ajaz and kamran whom as is well known have severe
hatred for the maktabah salafiya.
الدليل:الحمد لله الشيخ زبيريقر بأنّ موقفه بنسبة أبي خديجة و المكتبة السلفية كان من تأثير الرويات من إيجازملك و كمران ملك (من أصحاب "ألم روك") الذان معروفان بالبغض الشديد للإخوة بالمكتبة السلفية
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17. Point:
Zubayr Ali Affirms That He No Longer Speaks Against The Maktabah Salafiyyah
زبير علي يقر بأنه لا يتكلم في المكتبة السلفية الآن
Evidence:
-----Original Message-----
From: Yaser Salafi []
Sent: 29 October 2002 14:29
To: abukhadeejah@salafipublications.com
Subject: Re: RE: Verification
Asalaamu Alikum,
I have spoken to shaikh zubair and he told me that he has ceased to
criticise maktabah salafiya or the brothers connected to it???
الدليل:ياسر:كلمت مع الشيخ زبير و هو أخبرني أنّه لا يتكلم في المكتبة السلفية و أصحابها الآن...
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18. Point:
Kamraan Of Alum Rock Claims To Have Debated Abu Talhah Daawood Burbank And Refuted Him!!
كمران ملك (من أصحاب "ألم رك") يزعم أنّه ناقش أبو طلحة داود (من المكتبة السلفية) و ردّ عليه و غلبه!!!
Evidence:
-----Original Message-----
From: Yaser Salafi []
Sent: 24 October 2002 14:43
To: abukhadeejah@salafipublications.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Verification
?the shaikh narrates that much of what was reported to him was by
kamran and Ajaz.for example on the issue of taqleed kamran informed
him that the maktabah holds taqleed to be wajib hense he considered
this to be a point of deviation.Kamran informed him he will debate
with the brothers from the maktabah.and kamran told me also that he
went to the house of Abu talha and refuted him to the point whereby
he withdrew his stance on taqleed.
as regards to shams ur rahman then it was shams ur rahman who
informed shaikh zubair that he had been ejected from dawah salafiya
by the salafis in birmingham meaning the maktabah.
الدليل:
ياسر: ...الشيخ (زبير علي) أخبرني أنّ معظم الأشياء نُقل إليه بواسطة كمران و إيجاز، مثلا، في قضية التقليد كمران أخبره أنّ المكتبة السلفية يعتقدون بوجوب التقليد (بدون أيّ التفصيل)، فمن هذا يرى (زبير علي) بإنحراف (المكتبة السلفية) بسبب هذه النقطة. و أخبره كمران أنّه سيناقش الإخوة بالمكتبة السلفية في هذه المسألة، و بعد هذا أخبرني كمران أنّه ذهب إلي بيت أبي طلحة ناقشه و ردّ عليه إلى أن تراجع أبو طلحة من موقفه في التقليد.
و أما شمس الرحمن فهو الذي أخبر الشيخ زبير أنّ السلفيين بالمكتبة السلفية في برمنكهام أخرجوه من الدعوة السلفية.
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Notes: This is the way these youths are deluded, they are so infatuated with the issues relating to the subject of taqleed, that they boast that they allegedly debated with Abu Talhah Dawud Burbank and refuted him and overwhelmed him in argument!!!
19. Point:
Alum Rock Brothers Incited Hatred Between Salafi Publications And Zubayr Ali.
أصحاب "ألم روك" يحرّض و يحثّ بغض بين المكتبة السلفية و زبير علي
Evidence:
-----Original Message-----
From: Yaser Salafi []
Sent: 24 October 2002 14:43
To: abukhadeejah@salafipublications.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Verification
?therefore to translate it to simple words then kamran and ajaz were
responsible for inciting hatred and disunity between the maktabah and
shaikh zubair and also between him and Abul hasan Amjad?
الدليل:
...الخلاصة أنّ كمران و إيجاز هما اليبب لتحريض البغض و تفرّق بين المكتبة السلفية و الشيخ زبير و بينه و بين الأخ الفاضل أبو الحسن أمجد حسين بالمكتبة السلفية أيضا.
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20. Point:
Israar Khaan of Hamd House School Has Many Errors But We Will Mention Just One
اِسرار خان صاحب مدرسة "بيت الحمد" أخطأ كثيرة جدا و لكن نكتفي بذكر واحد منها و قد تاب من قبل عدّة مرّات و هذا هو من تخبّطه
Error:
Israar Khaan belittles Shaykh Faaleh al-Harbee
ملاحظة: اِسرار خان يطعن في الشيخ فالح الحربي و يحقره
Evidence:
His belittlement of Al-Allaamah Al-Mujaahid Faaleh Al-Harbee, hafidhahullaah. He said (27/8/2002) in front of several teachers who tried defend the honour of this scholar: ?Who?s Shaykh Faaleh!!? Who said he?s from the kibaar? when did you hear about him?!?. Those who were present clearly saw him belittling the Shaykh and disparaging him.
الدليل:استخفافه و تحقيره للعلامة المجاهد فالح بن نافع الحربي حفظه الله. قال(اِسرار خان) أمام عدّة من المدرّسين ( في مدرسته) عن الشيخ فالح : "من هذا شيخ فالح!!!؟ من قال إنّه من الكبار...متي سمعتم به!؟" و هم (المدرّسون) دفعوا عن الشيخ فالح و عرضه. و الحاضرون شاهدوا أنّه كان يطعن في الشيخ (فالح) و كان ينتقده انتقادا.
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Please note this is not a response nor an attack upon the brother Zubayr Ali, hafidhahullaah. We have only quoted from him where it relates to Alum Rock and their associates.
تنبيه هام أنّ هذا ليس برد و لا هجومة على الأخ زبير علي حفظه الله، و قد نقلناكلام منه بنسبة أصحاب منطقة "ألم رك" و من معهم في هذه القضية.
Source:
MSN Conversation Between Yaasir From Nelson And Abul-Hasan Maalik Al-Akhdar (from the students of Shaykh Muqbil) And Abu Khadeejah on Different Occasions in November 2002:
MSN مصدر الكلام اللآتي: البريد الإلكتروني عبر "م س ن"
21. Point:
Zubayr Ali Affirms That Alum Rock Brothers Are Weak Narrators and Da?eef.
باب: الأخ زبير علي حفظه الله يقرر إقرارا أنّ أصحاب منطقة "ألم روك" ضعفاء في روايتهم
Evidence:
Kuwaiti says: But tell me akh... what does he [Zubayr Ali, hafidhahullaah] now think of Alum Rock?
الدليل:الكويتي: أخبرني يا أخي...ماذا يرى (زبير علي حفظه الله) الآن في أصحاب منطقة "ألم روك"؟
yaser salafi says: he [Zubayr Ali, hafidhahullaah] knows they are daeef
ياسر: هو(زبير علي حفظه الله) يعرف أنّهم ضعفاء.
yaser salafi says: since he [Zubayr Ali, hafidhahullaah] met ajaz in person
ياسر: بعدما لقي (زبير علي حفظه الله) إيجاز ( واحد من أصحاب"ألم روك") نفسه.
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22. Point:
Zubayr Ali Affirms That The Alum Rock Brothers Put Him In This Position (whereby Zubayr Ali was misinformed about the Salafis in Birmingham).?
يقرر زبير علي أنّ أصحاب "ألم روك" لبّسوا عليه بنسبة الإخوة السلفيين ببرمنكهام
Evidence:
yaser salafi says: since as the sheikh [Zubayr Ali, hafidhahullaah] says they [Alum Rock brothers] put him in this position?
الدليل:ياسر:لأنّ الشيخ (زبير علي حفظه الله) يقول: هؤلاء (أصحاب ألم روك) سبب وقوعه في هذه المشاكل
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23. Point:
Zubayr Ali, hafidhahullaah, Affirms That He Does Not Support Alum Rock Brothers.
يقرر زبير علي أنّه ما يؤيّد أصحاب ألم روك
Evidence:
yaser salafi says: yes he is on the phone with me [meaning Zubayr Ali]?
الدليل:ياسر: نعم، هو(يعنى زبير علي) معي الآن على الهاتف.
Kuwaiti says: So he [meaning Zubayr Ali] attcked the maktabah based upon their [Alum Rock brothers] narrations.?
الكويتي: فإذاً هو(يعنى زبير علي) طعن في المكتبة معتمدا على روايتهم (أصحاب ألم روك)
Kuwaiti says: All we want, and we have already started working towards it, is islaah.?
الكويتي: ما نريد إلاّا الإصلاح وقد بدأنا في ذلك.
yaser salafi says: he says he doesn?t support the alum rock brothers..?
ياسر: هو يقول أنّه لا يؤيّد أصحاب "ألم روك"
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Note.
Just in case some people try and claim that there is a difference or hatred between Salafi Publications and Mawlana Zubair 'Alee, hafidhahullaah. Then know that we have resloved our differences and are upon mutual co-operation in righteousness and piety. And many of these differences were caused by people carrying tales 'to-and-fro' between us. We hope to strengthen the links between ourselves so as to strengthen da'watus-salafiyyah wherever we are.
We have received an email that states this and more. We hope to let this be known in the near future.
Note Concerning Zubair Ali
We received an email from a Salafi brother in Madinah called Zulfikar Al-Atharee (from Leicester). In this email dated 12th February 2003, the brother Zulfikar states that Zubair Ali stayed with him in Madinah and they visited some of the Shaikhs.
The brother narrates in clear words that Zubair Ali stated that he has 'nothing in his heart' against the brothers at Salafi Publications (and named Abu Khadeejah) and that they are 'his Salafi brothers'.
The brother Zulfikar stated that he informed Zubair Ali of words that he had heard from individuals in Salafi Publications (namely Abu Khadeejah) years ago regarding their desire of co-operation with Zubair Ali in the da'wah. To which Zubair Ali said, 'May Allaah reward him'.
Further he clearly stated that Zubair Ali has no problem with the brothers and that he made du'aa for the unity of the Salafis upon the truth.
This email is with us from the brother Zulfikar Al-Atharee.
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Allahu Akbar! The truth has finally come out in the open, concerning these people. O Allah aid the salafis to unite up the truth, and enable us work with each other upon righteousnes and piety! Ameen
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Just thought I'd point out a typing error:
"Source: An MSN conversation Aqib (Abu Abdillah) and Adil Zargar. Dated 3rd June 2003....."
Maybe the date should have been (3rd June 2002)?
Jazzak umullahu khairan
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History and Perspective on Alum Rock, Clear Path and Hamd House
All praise is due to Allaah, the Lord of the World, and may peace and salutations be upon the Final Messenger, Muhammad. To proceed:
Over the past two weeks or so we have received email messages, and telephone calls in relation to some of what has been spread on the Internet by way of email, the websites of some of the well-known Hizbiyyeen (such as that of Ahya and Luton and others) and also on message boards of speech involving attacks upon Maktabah Salafiyyah. And by way of all of this information that has come to us, by way of email, telephone calls, and quotations of conversations that have taken place on Paltalk, as well as what has been spread openly whose clear aim is to attack us, to undermine us, and to prevent or restrict our da'wah.
In particular the questions related to the website titled "The Clear Path", a group of brothers from 'Alum Rock' in Birmingham and Israar Khan of 'Hamd House'.
So in response to all of this, and after consultation, we would like to make the following issues clear, in order to make the people understand what has or is taking place in Birmingham, so that no further confusion remains and so that the people are upon bayyinah with respect to where we stand. In what follows below, we will explain the realities of three different factions of people, all of whom have come together as an alliance, the aim of which will be made clear at the end of this document inshaa'allaah.
Alum Rock
With respect to the brothers from Alum Rock, then we hold them to be our brothers, though ignorant and confused and callers to that ignorance and confusion. They are somewhat inexperienced, and are youths whom we hold have much to learn, and who have unfortunately made many mistakes and also brought about a lot of harm.
In particular, the following realities are to be noted:
a) We have advised them over the past few years to be more precise and exact in their da'wah, and that when they refute the Deobandi Soofees, like Riyadh ul-Haqq, they do not begin with what are subsidiary issues such as raising of the hands in prayer, but they should be more concerned with the aqeedah and the underlying methodologies pertaining to it and the general affairs of manaahij that have been subject to controversy in recent times. They have been given this advice in private conversations, private gatherings and other than that for the past few years. This advice was given to them because many years earlier, we experienced a similar group of individuals from Spark Hill who around 1996 were proceeding in exactly the same direction in their da'wah (subsidiary issues, and polemics with the Hanafees, and spending a large portion of their time and their learning around these matters), and then when certain fitnahs came to them, like those of the Surooriyyah, and that of Suhaib Hasan, they got caught up in them and were upon confusion with respect to them, and were led astray, both in knowledge and in walaa and baraa. This was because they did not give the proper concern to the aqeedah and the methodologies, and the issues of walaa and baraa that follows on from them. We feared the same thing for these brothers, and unfortunately, it seemed the same pattern occurred with these brothers when the fitnah of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee broke out. They got caught up in it to a degree, and made walaa and baraa around it, using it to bring harm upon us - as is clear from some of the statements that are established from some of them, and from their interactions whilst at the Luton conference over the Summer of 2002, wherein they united with Abdul-Qaadir al-Kadhaab, the one majnoon for Al-Maghraawee and Ma'rabee. However, instead of accepting this advice, they took to a different direction and thought and claimed and spread the false idea that we prohibit refutation in matters of fiqh and belittle these matters [of fiqh], when all we advised them with was a simple matter concerning being a bit more precise in the way they conduct their da'wah, and to get their priorities correctly aligned in accordance with what the current times demand, otherwise they will fall into confusion, and great harm will result.
b) We advised them, years ago, against co-operating with Abdul-Qadir Baksh of Luton because of what we already knew and experienced and were certain of concerning this man that he is a Saahibul-Fitnah, and would not hesitate to cause harm to the Salafees as soon as he got the chance and the ability and power to do so. However, they persisted in co-operation with the excuse that "they do not make taqleed" and they "have yet to see evidence", and they also had plans and projects to publish books along with him, and they made it clear in their speech and behaviour in what was to follow that they do not wish to take our advice and that they know better. So again numerous brothers, in private conversations and private gatherings and other than that, had advised them, fearing harm for them and wishing for them to proceed more clearly in their da'wah, to avoid problems later on. And amongst those who warned them from Abdul-Qadir was Abu Talhah Dawud Burbank and Abu Khadeejah and others, and amongst what was said to them was that if you want to cooperate with him "then do not expect us to be sympathetic with you" - this was after they refused and rejected this advice, which was only given sincerely, out of concern for these youths.
c) They exaggerated on the issue of taqleed and its ruling, and started holding a position against the Maktabah because some of the brothers (not all of them) hold that taqleed is permitted in certain circumstances as has been outlined by many of the Major Scholars of this Ummah. So they made this issue more than what it was, and again they were advised on this issue. But they did not take this advice. And then later, they falsely claimed that they were victimised on this issue, a blatant lie. Some of the brothers from the Maktabah who studied with Shaykh Muqbil hold the view that taqleed is haraam unrestrictedly, and others hold that it is permissible in certain situations, knowing that much of this discussion is based upon the actual definitions put forward for Ittibaa' and Taqleed. Yet, this difference between them did not cause them to split and differ with respect to each other and hold grudges against each other. However, these individuals from Alum Rock, coming from their 'Jam'iyyah Ahle Hadees UK' roots, made this issue bigger than what it was and stirred up some fitnah with respect to it. It was clear that they were agitated about the view held by some of the brothers from the Maktabah, and thus they began to make an issue out of it.
d) It seems clear that a lot of these people who have been nurtured upon a background of polemics against the Hanafees and making the issue of taqleed, its forbiddance or its permissibility to be one of their major rallying points in their da'wah, have also been naturally drawn to some of the false principles of Abul-Hasan al-Misree al-Ma'ribee in their behaviour, amongst them "we do not do taqleed of anyone, until we see, hear feel, touch for ourselves" and that of "tathabbut". And this is what we see in the likes of Alum Rock and others who are connected to them and who are sympathetic towards them. This is a process and a behavioural response that we have observed in a number of people now, both before and after the fitnah of al-Ma'ribee came out more openly. They are confused and mixed up in the issue of taqleed as it relates to the Ahkaam of the Sharee'ah and Jarh of the Innovators and the People of Hizbiyyah, and Jarh of the Narrators of Hadeeth, and they do not know or understand the tafseel in these matters, and the differences between each of them. And unfortunately, this confusion is perpetuated amongst the youth who do not know any better by way of those from the students of knowledge who are upon Tamyee' in their manhaj and have aided Abul-Hasan al-Misree al-Ma'ribee, such as Usaamah al-Qoosee and those who are with him. Alum Rock, Hamd House and Clear Path attended these conferences in Luton (and some amongst them possibly sought rulings against Salafi Publications - based upon what we have been informed by others who were present there) and it is clear that they were affected by what they heard of the defence of the Usool of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee. And again, this shows the great importance of putting everything in its proper place in da'wah, and not playing around with priorities, and being exact and precise, otherwise harms will come from directions that are not perceived. This is exactly what happened to them in the end, when they did not listen. And we used to advise them with respect to their da'wah precisely on account of issues like this.
e) Due to their discontent with the position of some of the brothers at the Maktabah on the issue of taqleed, they then began to narrate and transmit matters to Zubayr Alee, hafidhahullaah, of Pakistan, until they led him to falsely believe that specific brothers from the Maktabah hold that taqleed is waajib! (And this was a complete fabrication). It is important to note the following facts: the Salafee brothers at the Maktabah, upon discovering the presence of some of the students of knowledge in Pakistan such as Zubayr Alee in the late 1990s, they tried to maintain regular contacts with them, and also, bearing in mind the absence of any clarity in the affairs of manhaj in Pakistan (due to the presence of the Qutbiyyah, Jihaadee groups and the Ihyaa at-Turaath version of Salafiyyah), they sent packages of the outstanding books on the affairs of manhaj to these students of knowledge, such as the books of Shaykh Rabee' and also Madaarik an-Nadhar and others. The brothers from Maktabah Salafiyyah sent parcels and packages of book and asked for them to be personally hand-delivered to these students in Pakistan. In addition, one of our brothers who resided in Pakistan for long periods of time, over the past 4 years or so, would personally visit Zubayr Alee and invite him for visits and would offer him advise on issues of manhaj and also strongly encouraged him to visit Shayhk Rabee' and Shaykh Faalih and Shaykh 'Ubayd and others, to benefit in manhaj issues. A good relationship was created, and every time brothers from Birmingham went to Pakistan over the next few years they visited some of these students of knowledge, and every time other brothers went they were encouraged to meet these students of knowledge in Pakista, and later Zubayr Alee was thankful for the books that we sent to him, and said they were very beneficial. However, this good relationship was to be later polluted by these youngsters from Alum Rock, who for their own personal vendettas and agendas harmed the good rapport that had been developed. Whilst the brothers intended to strengthen these students of knowledge, and strongly advised them to keep in touch with Shaykh Rabee' and the Saudi Shaykhs in general, and gave them books refuting the false methodologies of the Qutubiyyah, Mawdudiyyah, and the Turaathiyyah (who have a presence and strong influence in Pakistan and India) and others, so while the brothers had this objective, of bettering the da'wah in Pakistan, making sure clarity is to be found in the students of knowledge who are upon Salafiyyah, and desiring nothing but goodness for them and the Salafi da'wah in Pakistan, these individuals from Alum Rock and whoever was connected to them broke this healthy relationship by their foolish behaviour, their general ignorance, their personal vendettas and their personal desires. They involved one or some of these students of knowledge of Pakistan and carried matters to them and perhaps they were attempting to extract speech from them, against those at Maktabah Salafiyyah. These youngsters from Alum Rock began to make contact with one of these students of knowledge, not to support the da'wah in general and to help in bringing about clarity in manhaj in that land - (which is what the brothers at Maktabah Salafiyyah were trying to work towards and achieve) - and to show concern for it, but only to support themselves and to vindicate themselves, and their own narrow limited da'wah that often revolved around isolated issues of fiqh, taqleed and related matters. They started raising issues in this subject with him, and due to their mischief they tried to affect him - so they were the cause of mischief, and the cause of creating this bad atmosphere by what they carried to him. Alhamdulillaah, the matters between us and Zubayr Alee, hafidhahullaah, are resolved, and we are upon mutual cooperation in birr and taqwaa, and we have informed Zubayr Alee of our intent to continue sending books and tapes to him, just as we had been doing around three years ago, to aid the Salafee manhaj in Pakistan, and to aid the students of knowledge there.
f) In the fitnah of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee, these brothers from Alum Rock initially sympathised with or supported the likes of Abdul-Qadir Baksh, and they, or those connected to them (see later below) were eager to try and extract some speech from the students from Jordan and Usaamah al-Qoosee against Maktabah Salafiyyah in order to undermine and attack it - only because Maktabah Salafiyyah held a clear, explicit position towards Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee. Some of them also spoke with some of the usool of Usaamah al-Qoosee and Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee such as accusing the Salafees with "al-Irhaab al-Fikree". This corruption in behaviour and walaa and baraa during the emergence of tribulations (like this fitnah of al-Ma'ribee) is exactly what we feared for them all along, from the very beginning, much earlier when we used to advise them to be more precise in their da'wah. This is because we have experienced these affairs numerous times previously.
g) These brothers from Alum Rock were the same brothers who aided rifts between ourselves and other Salafis, by initiating or carrying rumours and lies about us. And these rifts they caused still have their ramifications till this day between us and our other Salafee brothers. Yet when they were called to account, they refused to turn up to meetings of Islaah (rectification and conciliation).
These are just a collection of some of the issues, and there are many other matters that we have left out for the sake of brevity. It should be noted that we maintained lengthy dialogues with them, in person, over the phone, in personal one to one meetings and other than that, over the past two years or more. But unfortunately, we see that their problem is one of ignorance, the inexperience of youth along with delusions of being greater than what they are (may Allaah guide them) and they are such that if left to their own devices they would harm themselves and the da'wah further, and we feared inhiraaf (deviation) for them in affairs of manhaj. So they rejected what was great concern on our behalf for them, because of their being blinded by their amazement with their own selves, and until one of them boasted that he debated and overcame Abu Talhah Dawud Burbank in the issue of taqleed, to the point that he was forced to retract his position on it. This claim of overwhelming Abu Talhah on this issue is untrue. They are an example of a people who don't know, and don't know that they don't know! And that is the museebah (calamity).
We also sent them private documented advice which included a history of their mischief and behaviour, and this was sent to them and was only distributed limitedly in Birmingham, and only to those who asked for it, in hard copy, and it was given to a limited number of the associates of Alum Rock by way of email, because they lived in different cities, outside of Birmingham. Somehow, the electronic copy has been leaked by one of them and is floating somewhere on the Internet, yet we treated this only as a localised matter, hoping that it could be resolved, and we forbade that this advice be distributed. To date, we have not seen any apologies or recantations from them, despite the various routes and methods we have used to advise and correct them, over a period of two years. We had patience for a long while, then advised them over the phone, in private, yet they only increased in their mischief and began to enter their vendettas against us into the minds of other people and other innocent parties. We continued to advise them about adopting the right ways and means in trying to advise and correct and they paid no heed. And then some of them got caught up in the fitnah of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee, being affected by it, and after that we pointed out their errors to them. All to no avail.
The Clear Path Website
This brother, Aqib, was a formerly aligned to the Takfeerees and used to email Abu Khadeejah constantly whilst the latter was in Kuwait (during 1999-2000) seeking guidance and information about the Salafee da'wah in Birmingham University and ways in which he could combat the Takfeerees whose Manhaj he had just left. When Abu Khadeejah returned from Kuwait, he continued seeking his advice and guidance in the da'wah and used to constantly invite Abu Khadeejah to the university to teach the people Salafiyyah. Abu Khadeejah even organised other classes for them from the likes of Abu Salmaan Talhah Davis, Hasan as-Somaalee and Abu Hafs Bilaal Deer, all with the intent of strengthening the Da'wah Salafiyyah in the university. They even invited Abu Khadeejah to come and them in setting an official platform for da'wah in their university. We swear by Allaah, besides whom there is nothing worthy of worship, that the brothers from al-Maktabatah as-Salafiyyah aided them and advised them and strengthened these young men whenever and wherever we were able. Aqib sought the advice of Abu Khadeejah in combating the Soofees in the 'Islamic Society' at the University. Abu Khadeejah also aided him immensely in his personal life and marriage.
It is Aqib who is behind the website called "The Clear Path" and initially we co-operated with him by allowing him to take articles from SalafiPublications.Com and taking the materials translated by Dawud Burbank, and also allowing them to copy code, scripts and design elements from our website, and also java scripts that we coded for our site that allow the displaying of scanned books page by page, and which he has used for scanned Urdu books on his website. So we aided him by helping him develop a platform for da'wah, and did not mind this cooperation in birr and taqwaa.
Unfortunately, this Aqib got mixed up with the individuals from Alum Rock, two of whom were main contributors to his website and naturally, he got affected by some of the antics these individuals from Alum Rock were up to, and was influenced by them to start holding grudges and positions against his Salafee brothers who had aided him, supported him, and given him direction and support, both in the da'wah and his personal life. To the extent that he himself started levelling accusations against the Salafis that they disliked and disrespected the scholars of Pakistan who have passed away, rahimahumullaah - and this was nothing but an open slander and lie upon Salafi Publications and the brothers with them. So because these brothers from Alum Rock were contributors to his website, and they aided and supported him in building his own platform on the Internet, he adopted their outlook.
More recently, in the fitnah of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee, it became clear that he was affected by some of the principles of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee, and he reviled the Salafees by claiming that they make taqleed of Shaykh Rabee' in the issue of al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel, and he became very agitated by the fact that we were translating and spreading the refutations of the people of knowledge against Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee (something we had done with consultation with some of the people of knowledge who said that we should spread these refutations openly, and amongst them is Shaykh Rabee'). We advised this brother, again in secret, by way of email on numerous occasions, advising him to keep out of this issue concerning Alum Rock, and we advised him that being new to the da'wah, you should not get involved in this matter. Unfortunately, this advise was to no avail, and to make matters worse it has become clear now that whilst pretending to us that everything is alright and fine and there are no issues, behind the scenes he was pouring his scorn over us based around the issue of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee.
Aqib runs the Clear Path and was also part of this group who were supposed to be arranging a conference in Birmingham in December 2002 and inviting Usaamah al-Qoosee and the students from Jordan, and this was an attempt to polarise the da'wah in Birmingham and to cause a split amongst the Salafees in Birmingham that would be determined along the same lines of separation brought about by the fitnah of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee. However, and all praise is due to Allaah, this was not to occur.
So this brother, is new to the da'wah, and he has no grounding at all in the Salafee manhaj, and it is very easy nowadays for people to set up websites and to create platforms and gain audiences and make the people assume that they are connected to the Scholars and are upon the Salafee manhaj - which is what the Clear Path is now being used for - and to give the false impression that they have aided the Salafee manhaj, always been upon it, and held the right Salafee positions in the various fitnahs, when the reality is actually something else. As for the case of Aqib, then he only recently left the manhaj of the Takfeerees in the past few years, and then only six months ago he was wallowing in the fitnah of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee, before the situation became such that he was forced to tow the line with the Major Scholars, after having vilified and attacked the Salafees and poured his scorn over them, and having accused them of making taqleed of "the Shaykh that they make taqleed of in Jarh and Ta'deel" [i.e. Shaykh Rabee']. And this is something that the people need to be aware of, let them not be fooled, by anyone who comes out claiming attachment with the Scholars, when historically, he has never been upon their manhaj, but was upon something else, and yet he begins to make this open attachment, and then begins to call in the name of Salafiyyah and the Pious Predecessors, and perhaps this is for certain objectives and goals as the surrounding matters indicate. So beware.
Israar Khan of Hamd House
This brother has a long history of shakiness and of not being able to firmly settle upon one particular orientation. This is well known and famous in Birmingham (at least to those who have lived in Birmingham for the past 7 years or more) and he has swung from one extreme to another, over the years, and he is well known for his ignorance and lack of any real knowledge of Salafiyyah, and his immense and extreme hatred for the brothers at Al-Maktbatus-Salafiyyah, accusing them of being mere muqallids and 'chamchas' (a derogatory urdu term that implies 'mere followers') and 'yes-men'. His ties and links historically are with Abdur-Raheem Green, Abu Aaliyah, al-Hidaayah, Bilaal Philips, Suhayb Hasan and their likes (after the time when their realities became clear to the Salafees in general), and more recently, he was with the Surooree, Tawfique Chaudhury who came to Birmingham. He is famous for making alliances with the opponents of the da'wah and the people of Hizbiyyah and fighting and waging war against the Salafees.
This Israar has made two retractions and repented two times for the mischief he has caused in this city amongst the Salafees, and for his underhand plots against the brothers, and yet after his mischief, and after his recantations we accommodated him, and kept close to him, and tried to teach him and make him understand issues relating to the da'wah and the manhaj, but to no avail. We have spent large amounts of time in advising this brother, and trying to teach him, after the time that he made his recantations. We even tried to involve him in the da'wah by using his school premises for two conferences, hoping this would bring him closer. Yet he still did not leave his allies from amongst the hizbees.
More recently, in the fitnah of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee, he reviled Shaykh Faalih in front of his teachers in his school, Hamd House, and belittled this Shaykh, again all of this for the sake of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee. This he has even admitted to. He was part of plan to bring Usaamah al-Qoosee and the students from Jordan in order to oppose our da'wah and to destroy us, by getting them to speak about us, very similar to what had been staged in Luton, by Abdul-Qadir Baksh. He was amongst those who initiated a question to the Students from Jordan and Usaamah al-Qoosee which resulted in them speaking against the Salafis in Birmingham. He tried to influence Shaykh Fawzee al-Atharee and make him opposed to the brothers at Maktabah Salafiyyah and this failed also.
There is much more that can be said and narrated from the long history of this individual but to keep it brief and to the point this is the summarised history of Israar of Hamd House. It is actually this individual and his school that is being used as a base to make this opposition to us and to our da'wah. And he is far from knowing what is Salafiyyah and what is the Salafee manhaj, and it is known and widespread to the generality of the Salafees in Birmingham that he is characterised with sheer ignorance of Salafiyyah, yet hatred for some of the du'aat of Salafiyyah.
This Alliance and Recent Events
It is apparent that these three factions in Birmingham, Alum Rock, the Clear Path, and Hamd House, have all come together and united. It is also very apparent that all of them have a common goal that unites them, which is hatred and grudges against specific brothers and al-Maktabah as-Salafiyyah, all of which return to personality issues, and perhaps this is one of the reasons that have made them come together so easily. Certainly, we cannot see that their hearts have come together for the reason their hearts have always shared the same manhaj in knowledge and action and the same Salafee mawaaqif during the various fitnahs for many long years, but it is apparent, as all the indicators show, that they have a common goal which is all based around their own personal grudges against the brothers at the Maktabah.
The website being used for the actualisation of this objective is the Clear Path. As for the Clear Path, then recall that it is Aqib, the one who "spoke out of turn" to put it mildly about Shaykh Rabee' and the Salafees by accusing them of making taqleed of him in Jarh and Ta'deel. Recall the way he spoke about the issue of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee and recall that he is a person who has only recently left takfeer and understands little about the Salafee manhaj and the fitan that have affected it. So it is a great crime that the Clear Path is portraying to many people on the Internet, that they are connected to the Mashaayikh, when only a matter of some months ago, he was a great disputant and opposer to some of the Salafees in Birmingham who have been with these very same Shaykhs for over a decade and have been upon their mawaaqif in the times of fitnah, and some of whom have been with these Shaykhs and upon their manhaj for over ten years, understanding it and implementing it. So we ask the people to beware of this outward deception and to not be fooled by it. Similarly, Hamd House, he historically, has been tied with the Ikhwaanees and Suroorees, and he was very vocal against the Salafees in the fitnah of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee and was involved in the plan to polarise the da'wah in Birmingham by inviting Usaamah al-Qoosee and the students from Jordan. He reviled Shaykh Faalih and he has other great calamities, and this is only short of six months ago, and to date no clarification.
Also we are fairly convinced that if the fitnah of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee had not cleared by now, and became more prolonged and the clarity that we have now did not exist, that some of these factions like the Clear Path, and Hamd House, would have continued upon what they were upon and would have continued to attack us based upon this issue of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee and those with him like Usaamah al-Qoosee and his associates, and they would have continued being aligned in the direction of the Mumayyi'ah, and led even further astray in their manhaj.
We are convinced that a fair number of people have begrudgingly adopted the right stance on Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee because not doing so would have exposed them, because they would so clearly and blatantly be opposing the general consensus that has formed amongst the whole of Ahl us-Sunnah concerning al-Ma'ribee. We have asked Shaykh Faalih al-Harbee about these individuals specifically, and he explained that it is not possible for them to have made a retraction for their previous stance, and at the same time hold grudges and have hatred for us. The Shaykh explained that this shows that they are confused in manhaj, and that the way they are behaving (of plotting against their brothers), shows that they may still be upon something of deviation.
Shaykh Faalih al-Harbee explained, when asked about these factions of people in Birmingham (who got caught up in the fitnah of al-Ma'ribee), and some of whom allied with Abdul-Qadir, and showed opposition and enmity to us, and who took the fitnah of Abul-Hasan and the stance of the Jordanian students as a golden opportunity to try and bring us down:
"So those brothers should realize that what happened with them indicates their lack of understanding of their Manhaj, and they followed the people of misguidance because of their lack of correct knowledge and insight. So now they should seek after correct knowledge and insight, and the true Manhaj, and they should become aware of it and adhere to it. But the way they are behaving at present is the behaviour of those who are still upon deviation, and upon corruption and shows that they do not in reality know the Salafi Manhaj, and do not know "al-walaa wal-baraa'" (necessary alliance and enmity) based upon that. Otherwise how can that remain upon an evil stance with regard to their brothers? This shows that the affair is that they have opposition to their brothers. It is not just a matter of Abul-Hasan. Because if it were just an issue of Abul-Hasan, and they were Salafis, and they knew the Salafi Manhaj and its value, and they recognised the truth that their brothers are upon, and that their brothers are upon correctness, then they should come wholeheartedly and openly free and dissociate themselves from what they were upon...So it is not permissible, whatsoever, in any situation, if that is the case, that they take a stance of scepticism and enmity with regard to their brothers, and a stance of attacking them. This would be a proof that they only supported Abul-Hasan because of their being upon an opposing Manhaj, and then they have continued upon this methodology. But because they have seen Abul-Hasan being exposed, and that they would soon be exposed, they were unable to continue, they therefore say: "We have retracted from supporting Abul-Hasan and from what we used to be upon, and now we are upon the Salafi Manhaj." So it is as if the Salafi Manhaj is just that you are not with Abul-Hasan; so if you are with Abul-Hasan after the affair has been clarified, then you are not upon the Salafi Manhaj; and if you are not with Abul-Hasan, then you are upon the Salafee Manhaj! This is not correct. Ra
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In the Name of Allaah, the Most Merciful, may His Salaah and Salaam be upon his final Messenger Muhammad, and upon all his family members and Companions, to proceed
There are certain traits that can be pointed out concerning these brothers who oppress themselves and others. I wish to mention traits that Salafees should beware of; taking into account that some of these individuals I have known for over ten years (and I free myself openly from their batil). And as the brothers will testify in Birmingham that we have been advising them to seek knowledge for many years and this fell upon deaf ears.
The traits to be wary of are;
1. That they are lazy and lethargic with respect to learning knowledge, when they are asked to come to the circles of Tawheed and 'aqeedah, they say, "I am too busy", "I have other matters to deal with" and other various excuses. But now that they wish to exact their vendetta upon the Salafis, I have never seen these individuals as active as they are in giving dawah against the Salafees, going up and down the country, phoning scholars and spreading doubts to others, etc .
Now it is as if they are lobbying, electioneering for votes and trying to get people on their side. They see this as an election with 2 parties. Rather, I say there is either haq or batil and they are the people upon batil in this matter.
2. They find faults and errors amongst the Salafees but they are blind to
the Hizbiyah, Sururiyah, Grave worship, shirk and bidah that goes on around them. If we were to have seen you spend as much time fighting the people of deviation and misguidance in their usool of the deen, then maybe we could say that there was some good in them. But all we see from the traits of these people it is to focus their attacks upon Ahlus-Sunnah,the Salafees, and find fault with them only. As for their attacks upon people of bid'ah, their claim to fame was in the issues of raf' al-yadain and other similar subsidiary matters, as you will see.
3. Their call was to issues of fiqh and matters where the scholars have
genuinely differed whereby you call to a person to put his hands on his chest after ruku' and the number of rakaats in tarawih and raf' al-yadain.
And this same man is seen spending time in a place where gambling takes
place, wears his trousers below his ankles and trims his beard. Why? Because they didn't learn that there are certain important things as the scholars have mentioned should be called to first. The hadith of Muaadh ibn Jabal when he was sent to Yemen clearly shows that the call, first and foremost, is to tawheed, then the branches of the Deen in order of importance. But they used to call to the importance of hands on the chest after ruku'! Is this the Manhaj of the anbiyah? Of course not!
4. They make excuses for others who err but none for the clear Salafees "look at the brothers at the maktabah!" they say. What about the evil and wickeness that surrounds you in you own home, your family, the environment in which you live? On this you are silent but you can see the so called mistakes of Abu Talhah Dawood, Abul-Hasan Amjad, Abu Khadeejah, or Abu Iyaad or others who are with them (May Allaah preserve them and increase them in ilm and guidance to deal with the foolish ones)
5. When did you sincerely advise the brothers? Never. You are unable to
speak with clear proof rather you 'ambush the ignorant' with your rhetoric from the Manhaj of Jamiat Ahl-ul-Hadeeth UK (and these people are not the people of hadeeth, they are the people of politics and hizbiyah) upon which you were nurtured. When and where did you learn this Manhaj that you are now currently upon? It wasn't with the Salafees. Your teachers, as many of you admit were the likes of Abdul-Hadi al-Umari etc.
I could mention much more but it is sufficient to see that if we are not
with the Salafees supporting the truth and fighting the people of batil and learning knowledge, then deviation and misguidance call befall us. We seek Allaah's protection from this misguidance and we ask Him to keep us with the people of haq and away from the people of batil.
Please brothers realise your errors now, and come back.
Abu Muawiyah Safdar Khan As-Salafee, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
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Shaykh Faalih on the One Who Makes the Accusation that the Salafees Make Taqleed of Shaykh Rabee'
This question was in relation to the issue of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee - a nice answer from Shaykh Faalih.
http://www.therighteouspath.com/fromthescholars/harbee_advice1.pdf
Question: And Shaykh, we also have this famous Da'ee who says that we blindly follow Shaykh Rabee in his statements and as though the one who doesn't agree with him, then he is not Salafee.
Shaykh Faalih answers:
The Salafis do not blindly follow each other, unless if this following is upon truth,because it is not prevented in totality, for a person who is a scholar, and someone follows him upon his knowledge, and he is responsible for this knowledge, he worships upon that which he knows from the Shar'eeah, it is not permissible for him to hide that and Allaah says: Verily those who conceal the clear proofs, evidences and the guidance, which we have sent down, after we have made clear for the people in the book, they are the ones cursed by Allah and cursed by the cursers. (Suratul-baqarah: 159) and the Messenger speaks about the one who has knowledge but he hides it. So they return to the scholars and they ask them and this is not blind following but it is following (with proofs and evidences] and this is what is mandatory upon them Allaah says: Allaah puts no burden on any person beyond what he has given him (Suratut-talaaq: 7) The one who is not a scholar, he is like a blind man, he is in need of one who guides him, and the scholar is the guide, so if he returns to the scholar, then who says this is Taqleed (blind following) and it is not permissible, because this is following, Allaah ordered with it, of that which is in the book Allaah and the Sunnah of the Messenger. And the Salafiyoon do not follow someone without Daleel (evidence), except that if he is not a scholar and the other is a scholar. No one says this except the one who is grieved from amongst the people of politics, Hizbiyeen, and Ahlul-Bida'h. As for Ahlus- Sunnah wal Jamaah then this type of speech is imposed. For this from Tashweeh (mutilation), of the actual affair, Talbees (trickery) upon the people the truth.
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Shaykh Fawzee al-Atharee on the One Who Makes the Accusation that the Salafees Make Taqleed of Shaykh Rabee'
http://www.therighteouspath.com/fromthescholars/harbee_advice1.pdf
Shaykh Fawzee al-Atharee was asked: We have a well known caller here in America, he speaks in this issue (i.e. Abul Hasan Al Ma'ribee) saying that Islaam prohibits blind following so we do not blindly follow Shaykh Rabee' regarding Abul Hasan AlMa'ribee. We don't blindly follow anyone. So how do we refute this statement of his.
Shaykh Fawzee answered:
If it is a critisizm or a dispraisal that is explained, then we accept this from Shaykh Rabee, and this is NOT blind following. Rather it is following of the Sunnah and the methodology of the Salaf, if the Salaf dispraised a person, even if it was from one person alone, then they would accept it, and it was not said that it is a must that all the people of knowledge agree upon the abandonment of him or opposition to him, and then we will say that this is a true statement.
So even if there is only one person who is criticizing, we accept it from him, and we do not say that this is blind following. Rather it is the following of the Sunnah and the methodology of the Salafus Saalih. This innovated principle has come by way of Abul Hasan al-Misree, who said that the people of knowledge must agree upon the abandonment of an induvidual and he says that we do not blindly follow. This is from his ignorance! And if this man knew the methodology of the Salaf, he would have not come with this statement. If the Salafus Saalih dispraised an individual with an explained dispraisal, they would accept it, and they would not come with this speech. And the books of Jarh wa Tadeel are filled with the likes of this. You will find that they spoke about a person and the rest of the scholars would take that from them, and this is what the Prophet (sallallaahu Alaihi Wasallam) was upon.
Like is found in the hadeeth of Ibn Umar in the Musnad of Imaam Ahmad, and the Hadeeth is authentic, when he saw the crescent and he informed the Prophet, and the Prophet accepted the narration, and he didnt bring all the people together! He ordered all the people with the fasting of Ramadaan. Like this Ibn Maeen, if he dispraised a person, then the people of knowledge accepted his statement, and also like this ibn Madeeni, Imaam Bukhaari, Imaam Adh Dhahabee, ibn Hajar, and this is what our scholars are upon; Shaykh al-Albaani, Shaykh Uthaimeen, and Shaykh ibn Baaz. So in reality, this man who says this is considered to be from the people of innovation. So it is an obligation to warn against him and abandonment of him, and to not sit in his classes. |
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as-salaamu alaikum wa rahmatullaah
Jazaakum Allaahu khairan to the brothers at Salafi Publications.
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Jazaakamullahu khayran ikhwaan!
Shaykh Faalih on the one who accuses Salafees of taqleed of Shaykh Rabee'
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And also there is post on this site about Shaykh Muqbil who was asked: ?There are those who say that accepting the statements of the scholars about the people is considered blind following so what is the validity of this statement??
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This is old speech from some of the people of innovation, As-San?aanee has mentioned in his book Irshaadun-Nuqqaad Ilaa Tayseeril-Ijtihaad from some of the people of innovation who said, ?You forbid from blind following and yet you blind follow Yahyaa Ibn Ma?een, so if Yahyaa says about a man, ?He is trustworthy,? you?ll say, ?Trustworthy? and if al-Bukhaaree says, ?This hadeeth is authentic,? you?ll say: ?It is authentic,? so you are blind followers. So as-San?aanee answered this is his tremendous book Irshaadun-Nuqqaad Ilaa Tayseeril-Ijtihaad. He said, ?Indeed this is not blind following rather it is only the acceptance of the narration of trustworthy, and Allaah says in His Noble Book,
?O you who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with news verify it, lest you should harm a people out of ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done.? [Sooratul-Hujuraat 49:6]
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Reading about the detailed information about "the Clear Path" and "Hamd House" and "Alum Rock" above, six months ago, it is clear these individuals were upon this misguidance. Upon some of the principles of Abul-Hasan al-Ma'ribee. They were attacking the Salafees in secret and in private, and now six months later (after being exposed for being upon falsehood and forced to take a position on Abul-Hasan) they boast of open attachment to the Shaykhs in order to deceive the people once more and work against our noble brothers.
May Allah reward the brothers for explaining the truth! The lesson I see from this is beware of people who spring up in da'wah in the name of Salafiyyah (and even in the name of outward attachment to the Shaykhs of Salafiyyah) yet their history is not known or is not clear!
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سبحان الله
I just went to that site *****tapes [edited by admin] and when i saw the English links were only Bangla***** [edited by admin] and the *****path [edited by admin]!!! Where are the other links spubs, salafitalk, troid etc?!!! Is this loving and hating for the sake of Allaah?!!! أعوذ بالله من الشبهات و الهوى
أبو سلمان النمري
والعصر ان الانسان لفي خسر الا الذين آمنواو عملوا الصالحات و تواصوا بالحق و تواصوا بالصبر
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Assalaamu Alaykum
Wallahi it is a shame that none of these people have publicly retracted their mistakes.
Yesterday they were with Maribi and running to luton to cry on the shoulder of that liar Abdul Qaadir.
Brothers have you so much hatred for your salafi brothers that it causes you to join the ranks of anyone you believe can fulfill your desires.
Have you ever dedicated this much time in defending the manhaj, translating, ...... I doubt it!
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I don't think you should be surprised if you have read this statement, word by word line by line of Shaykh Faalih quoted in the articles above:
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Shaykh Faalih al-Harbee explained, when asked about these factions of people in Birmingham (who got caught up in the fitnah of al-Ma'ribee), and some of whom allied with Abdul-Qadir, and showed opposition and enmity to us, and who took the fitnah of Abul-Hasan and the stance of the Jordanian students as a golden opportunity to try and bring us down:
"So those brothers should realize that what happened with them indicates their lack of understanding of their Manhaj, and they followed the people of misguidance because of their lack of correct knowledge and insight. So now they should seek after correct knowledge and insight, and the true Manhaj, and they should become aware of it and adhere to it. But the way they are behaving at present is the behaviour of those who are still upon deviation, and upon corruption and shows that they do not in reality know the Salafi Manhaj, and do not know "al-walaa wal-baraa'" (necessary alliance and enmity) based upon that. Otherwise how can that remain upon an evil stance with regard to their brothers? This shows that the affair is that they have opposition to their brothers. It is not just a matter of Abul-Hasan. Because if it were just an issue of Abul-Hasan, and they were Salafis, and they knew the Salafi Manhaj and its value, and they recognised the truth that their brothers are upon, and that their brothers are upon correctness, then they should come wholeheartedly and openly free and dissociate themselves from what they were upon...So it is not permissible, whatsoever, in any situation, if that is the case, that they take a stance of scepticism and enmity with regard to their brothers, and a stance of attacking them. This would be a proof that they only supported Abul-Hasan because of their being upon an opposing Manhaj, and then they have continued upon this methodology. But because they have seen Abul-Hasan being exposed, and that they would soon be exposed, they were unable to continue, they therefore say: "We have retracted from supporting Abul-Hasan and from what we used to be upon, and now we are upon the Salafi Manhaj." So it is as if the Salafi Manhaj is just that you are not with Abul-Hasan; so if you are with Abul-Hasan after the affair has been clarified, then you are not upon the Salafi Manhaj; and if you are not with Abul-Hasan, then you are upon the Salafee Manhaj! This is not correct. Rather, the one upon the Salafi Manhaj is the one who knows it, adheres to it, believes it, acts in accordance with it, and this is manifest in his behaviour and actions. This is the person who is upon the Salafi Manhaj." (From a question and answer session in the Shaykh's house recently).
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The Shaykh seems to have pinpointed the issue exactly! Interpret all their current actions in trying to attack our brothers at Maktabah Salafiyyah in a very cowardly and deceptive way in light of this statement of Shaykh Faalih that was said concerning these people.
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| Aboo.Naeem
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All this time these people have had to retract. As for Alum Rock and the Clear Path, I know that over a year has passed of advising and encouraging these brothers to leave their evil and backbiting and lying and causing separation.
Hours and hours were spent talking to them in person and in telephone conversation. Months and months went by listening to them spreading lies and confusion.
Abu Talhah Daawood Burbank advised them, Abu Tasneem Ahmad advised them, Abu Khadeejah advised them, Abu Hammaad Yunus advised them, Abu A'isha advised them, Abu Mu'aawiyah Safdar Khan advised them. In a dawah meeting where they and others were invited, Hasan as-Somaalee advised them. Many, many hours were spent in this.
They defended Abul Fitan al-Marabi and Usaamah al-Qoosee, after the scholars had warned from them. They warned against the only truly Salafi Masjid in the Midlands and worked hard to get people not to come to it, claiming that it was not in truth a masjid. They warned from the lessons and classes given in this Masjid as-Salafi. They warn the people against Salafi Publications. What is this except the devil who has tricked them and made their evil deeds seem beautiful?
Even when the scholars, like Shaikh Rabee' and Shaikh 'Obaid, deliver LIVE lectures about 5 times a week in Masjid, you still find them absent.
And if you look to see which websites are promoting their efforts and defending them, then that will truly make you realise the truth about these deceivers. None other than the websites of the Luton hizbees and the lovers of Qutubees and hizbees, like Ayha. You see them posting on these sites with hidden names.
They defended the hizbiyyoun like Abdul-Qaadir Bakhs, the one refuted by the scholars and labelled a clear hizbi and defender of the principles of Ikhwaan Muslimeen. During the summer of 2002, they openly united with Abdul-Qaadir Lutonee to destroy the Salafi dawah in Birmingham. There aim was clear then as it is now, that is to destroy Maktbata Salafiyyah. They tried to use Abdul-Qaadir al-Hizbi, then Usaamah Qoosi, then the Jordanian students of knowledge; each time their plots were uncovered. Now they have found others in England to carry their flag of hatred against the Salafis of Birmingham.
Over 9 months have passed since they were refuted openly. So they phoned around the earth weeping and sobbing claiming they have been oppressed. They said that had no links to defending Al-Marabi nor Abdul-Qadir, they claimed that they had never abused the Salafis nor Salafi Publications. They asked for a short list of their errors and swore by Allah, they would retract if they had it written down. So it was written in two or three short pages. I have a copy myself. They then claimed, this was far too brief and demanded from Abu Tasneem a full point by point detailed clarification. So that was done in over 80 pages. All this in the hope that they will return. Their reaction, still as insincere as ever was to again claim that they been oppressed and been refuted in 80 pages! So they went to whom they could to win sympathy claiming that they were merely simple brothers who only sought the truth.
So they then requested again that the errors against them be made concise and to the point, so again the brothers did that and the first article above is that request fulfilled with some Arabic translation included along with a clear and open advice from the scholar Shaikh Faleh al-Harbi so that they cannot deceive the Arab brothers in England.
But till this day, there has not been seen from them a single retraction or apology. They have, in fact, increased their activities against the Salafis. They have now changed their tactics by arranging live links with the Scholars and students of knowledge that the Salafis in Birmingham have always loved and promoted; some of these links secretly done, invitees only and one of them advertised. Do they arrange them in the Masjid? No. They arrange them in the school of Israr Khan (Hamd House) which is no more than 5 minutes walk from the large Salafi Masjid! So get the picture, O sincere ones! Their tactics are only in place to wreck and destroy the unity of the Salafis in Birmingham and outside of Birmingham. It just so happens that last year, they thought Marabi, al-Qoosi, Luton and the Jordanians would help them do that. So when they exposed in their plots, they changed tactics. No tawba, no retraction and no sincerety. So now they believe, they can use some of the Arab brothers to help them set up links with the scholars to give the impression that they are upon the truth.
Know, O sincere ones! That was the exact behaviour of Suhaib Hasan, Ahle Hadees, and Jam'iah Ihya Turath of Kuwait, when they used to set up live links with Shaikhs Bin Baaz and Bin Uthaymeen in their mosques of hizbiyyah, claiming love for the major scholars. But all of this for their own political ends and goals.
And as for this Israr Khan, then he is same individual who in 1998 worked his hardest along with Al-Hidaayah and Ahle Hadees and members of Ihya Turaath to get the classes of the Salafis banned from local Ahle Hadees mosque. He was the most vocal and instrumental in banning the Salafi classes and lectures from the mosque. He promoted Abu Aliyah, Suhaib Hasan, Abdullah Al-Farsi, Bilal Philips, Abdul-Raheem Green and any other deviant he get hold of to harm the Salafis. He spared no effort in destroying the Salafi dawah in Birmingham, as he himself later admitted. So the Salafis rightly left him and refused to co-operate with him in his school. This caused him loss in his dunya and wealth, so he made tawbah and claimed that he has returned to the Salafis. So the Salafis were easy with him and lenient with him due to their desire of rectification. But this tawbah was false and belied his true motives, because he continued with his evil behaviour but this time tried to hide his true colors and his enmity. The Salafis as a whole were unaware of this until they asked to use his school for a conference, hoping that this would make him feel a part of the Salafi 'brotherhood', and remove any remaining bad thoughts. During and after these conference periods, Israr continued in his attempt to poison and split the Salafis. Again he was found out, and again he made a retraction and tawbah and again the Salafis in their desire for rectification accepted this from him. Again he continued, unknown to Salafis, in his plots and plans working secretly with whomever he could to destroy and split the Salafis. So he visited Luton, joined up with Alum Rock and when the time was right spoke up once again with venom, but this time totally and completely unrepentant and devoid of any remorse. In the Summer of 2002, he travelled around (just like Alum Rock and Clear Path) to Luton and other places hatching plots to harm and split the Salafis in Birmingham. At the same time, in Summer 2002, he accompanied the Surooree Tawfeeq Choudhury who insults and belittles the scholars. The teachers employed by him who opposed him and advised him were fired from their jobs. He spoke ill of the scholars, like Shaikh Faaleh and others and claimed that Jordanians and al-Qoosi were now with him and he would bring down the Salafis. He insulted and was foul towards the Salafis. He stated that he had been upon these suspicions for 5 years, which clearly shows the falsehood of his tawbah.
So once you realise this reality of these people you will know that their manhaj is the same as it has always been, one of separation, destruction, secrecy, jealousy and hatred for the Salafis due to their desire to overtake and gain ascendancy over their brothers, with whom they should be co-operating and supporting.
I am, like Safdar Khan, from Birmingham and have known some of these personalities for several years. They unite upon common political goals, not upon the manhaj of the Salaf. They do not advise, nor are they interested in advising, because advice means correction, and correction is the furthest from their minds.
So think about what I have written and then read again the words by 'iamsalafee' above.
This message was edited by Aboo.Naeem on 3-1-03 @ 1:27 PM
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| abusalmaan
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بسم الله الرحمان الرحين
Being from Birmingham myself and having witnessed this behavior for a long time and trying to make excuses for them time and time again, hoping that they will realize the great damage they are causing to the Da?wah and themselves. Knowing that they have had brother?s advice them in private and in gatherings, I can only fear that these brothers seek status and to be seen! How is it that you can live your life deceiving and lying to the muslims, calling the scholars to try and use them against your salafi brothers. You can call all the scholars all you want but the One who knows what you reveal and what you conceal is all aware of that which do and will inform you of what you used to do on the day that no ones wealth or children will benefit him, except for the one who comes to Allaah with a sound heart! So if you can?t humble yourselves to your brothers then humble yourselves to Allaah the Lord of the worlds! Remember you will be taken to account for all that you do. Increase your Imaan in the Day of Judgment! I can?t believe that these people want to be in the front of the crowd and be seen when it was from the manners of our salaf who would run from such positions as they had certain knowledge that Allaah was going to question them about everything they said and done!.
و الله المستعان و المستعان الله
أبو سلمان النمري
والعصر ان الانسان لفي خسر الا الذين آمنواو عملوا الصالحات و تواصوا بالحق و تواصوا بالصبر
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If these brothers really love our ulema and have truly left the ways of Abul Fitan and Abdul Qadir, what is the problem in openly proclaiming that. This is what Sheikh Faleh Al Harbi has stated for the people who leave the hizbis. They must also leave the hate they have for the salafis in their city. Keep your personal issues to yourself or keep them for the day of Judgement if you are that bitter. Dont use your hate to split the salafis. 'Alum rock' and 'clear path' how can you say you love the sunnah when you allow the ahya and Abdul Qadir and Marabi people to attack the salafis because of your personal hates.
Fear Allah and come open and clear for the mistakes you have and be humble, make tauba and make bayan. Do not make yourselves a fitnah for the people and end up in regret after you die.
This message was edited by Sulaifi on 3-13-03 @ 10:54 AM
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