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Moosaa
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QUESTION

Some people always say "Aameen, wa iyyaak" (which means "Aameen, and to you also") after someone supplicates, "Jazaak Allaahu khayran" (which means "may Allaah reward you with good"). Is it is an innovation to reply with this phrase all the time?

ANSWER by Shaykh Muhammad 'Umar Baazmool, instructor at Umm Al-Quraa University in Makkah

There are many narrations from the Companions and the from the Messenger (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam), and there are narrations describing the actions of the people of knowledge. In these narrations, it is said to them, "Jazaak Allaahu khayran," there is no mention that they used to reply specifically with "Aameen, wa iyyaakum."

Due to this, my position on a person clinging to this phrase, "Aameen, wa iyyaakum," after any supplication, not just "Jazaak Allaahu khayran," is that he has fallen into an innovation that has been added (to the Religion).

So in these kinds of circumstances, Muslims can use this phrase sometimes, and abandon it sometimes, but they must not cling to it as if it is an established Sunnah of the Messenger (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam), and Allaah knows best.

SOURCE

This was translated exclusively for www.bakkah.net from a cassette recording with the knowledge and permission of the shaykh, file no. AAMB021, dated 1423/7/18.

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Jazaakum Allaahu Khairan brother Moosaa


May be here you could mention for the brothers and sisters the Sunnah replies to Jazaak Allaah Khairan.

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Moosaa
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aameen, wa iyyaak!

Dr. Muhammad Baazmool mentioned that there is no specified answer for it from the Sunnah.

To add something to that: The phrase "Jazaak Allaahu khayran" is something that is from the Sunnah to be said to express thanks or praise, due to the hadeeth:

  

On the authority of Usaamah ibn Zayd, he said that the Messenger of Allaah sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam said: "Whoever has had something nice done for him and then says to his companion, 'Jazaak Allaahu khayran,' then he has surely excelled in praising (him)."

Al-Albaanee authenticated it in Saheeh Sunan At-Tirmithee #2035 (2/392).

So then it is not like other phrases found in the sunnah that have specified answers, like:

1) Al-hamdulillaah --- yarhamukallaah --- yahdeekumullaahu wa yuslihu baalakum

2) As-Salaamu 'alaykum --- wa 'alaykumus-salaam

3) Uhibbuka fillaah --- ahabbak Allaahul-lathee ahbabtanee feeh, etc

These are all supported by evidences.  We may not say that the response to a certain phrase must be such-and-such except with evidence.

So then a person may respond to "Jazaak Allaahu khayran" with any number of phrases that make sense, like:

aameen wa iyyaak
wa jazaak
aameen wa jazaak
wa iyyaak kathaalik
wa iyyaanaa ajma'een
wa iyyaak bi'ashri amthaalihaa
etc...

or other things in English:

aameen, and to you brother
aameen, to you likewise
and may He reward you too
and to you
to you the same
etc...

And this is done without clinging to any one phrase.  So actually "Aameen wa iyyaak" is a very sensible reply in 'arabic.  The shaykh only made a difference between saying it sometimes and saying it as if it is legislated in the Deen.

So we have to make a note here since many of us fall into this when we are learning arabic.  The phrase "kayfa haaluk" does not have a legislated answer.  It is not a must to reply, "tayyib walhamdulillaah."  This is simply something taught since it is a common conversation, like "how are you?" and "i'm fine."  It should not be taken as legislation, meaning that when you hear someone say, "jayyid walillaahil-hamd" you correct him.  Rather many of us stick to "tayyib walhamdulillaah" since it is the only phrase we know in arabic.  We do not intend to make it deen, but it is unfortunately our constant, unchanging answer to "kayfa haaluk".  

Likewise, "aameen wa iyyaak."  It is just something we were taught as a conversation.  "Jazaak Allaahu khayran, aameen wa iyyaak"  Its fine like that, it makes sense.  But we have to realize it is not Deen.  The specific phrase of "jazaak Allaahu khayran" is Deen, but the reply is left up to how ever you want to answer.  I am not suggesting that you must learn all those phrases I mentioned above and meanwhile you have a lot of legislated du'aas to learn still, but you could simply not reply sometimes when someone says "Jazaak Allaahu khayran" as there is no obligatory or recommended reply needed.  You could also mix up "Ameen, wa iyyaak" with a simple "Aameen" or simply "wa iyyaak", and sometimes no reply.  Here you have four different answers.  I hope I am not complicating this issue, may Allaah forgive me.

Additional note:  The word 'Aameen' is legislated in general for du'aa.  So a person may say Aameen based on that, but not because it is specifically related to this du'aa.

And it has been related that when 'Aa'ishah, radhiyallaahi 'anhaa had heard the du'aa of those who received some charity, saying, "Baarak Allaahu feekum" she replied "wa feehim baarak Allaahu" and she used to reply to their supplications in a way similar to how the people worded their supplication.  See Saheeh Al-Waabilis-Sayyib (p.257)

And Allaah knows best.

Moosaa

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And Shaikh Ahmad bin Yahyaa bin Muhammad an-Najmee said in volume one, page 68 of his book "Fathur Rabbil Wadood fil Fataawaa war Rasaa'il war Rudood", issue # 30:

(What is the) Hukum of the statement (Shukran) (said to the one) who does a favor (or the like) for someone?

The Shaikh answered: "Whoever does that has left off (something) more excellent (or bountiful), and that is, the statement "Jazaakallaahu khairan"!

And with Allaah is the Tawfeeq!







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Bissmilahi ar rahmani ar rahim

assalam 'alaykoum

You said:
quote:

Additional note:  The word 'Aameen' is legislated in general for du'aa.  So a person may say Aameen based on that, but not because it is specifically related to this du'aa.


and i do not know if this is from Shaykh Bazmool or youself; but inshaAllah could you give more details on  this point?
I am actually trying to make a research on "ameen", what is the assl of saying it after (each)dou'a and also in the qunut (like in tarawih, we can hear the mouslim say ameen after each dou'a of the imaam).
barakallahou fikoum.


" al haqqou min rabbikoum" (Ali 'Imran).

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Here's one hadeeth that shows the generality of saying "Aameen" to someone's du'aa':

On the authority of Jaabir ibn Samurah, may Allaah be pleased with him, the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) ascended the mimbar and said, "Aameen, Aameen, Aameen."  And then he (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) said:

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"Jibreel came to me and said, 'O Muhammad!  Whoever reaches one of his parents and then he dies and goes to the Fire (since he did not earn the Jannah through the parents), then may Allaah distance him!  Say Aameen.'  So I said: Aameen.

Then he said, O Muhammad!  Whoever reaches the month of Ramdhaan and then dies and is not forgiven (since he missed the oppurtunities to be forgiven in Ramadhaan) and is made to enter the Fire, then may Allaah distance him!  Say Aameen.'  So I said: Aameen.

Then he said, 'And whoever you have been mentioned in their presence and they do not send salaah upon you, and then he dies and goes to the Fire, then may Allaah distance him!  Say Aameen.'  So I said: Aameen."



Saheeh At-Targheeb wat-Tarheeb (#2491).  Al-Albaanee called it: saheeh lighayrihi.

Moosaa Richardson

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Imaam Ash-Shaafi'ee, may Allaah have Mercy on him, said:

quote:




"And 'Aameen' is not to be said except
after Umm Al-Qur'aan (Soorah Al-Faatihah)."



Source: Al-Umm (2/250), Daar Al-Wafaa', 1st printing, 1422.

Since he did not explain his statement, it remains unclear:

Was he referring to the recitation of the soorahs of the Qur'aan during Salaah?  (This is very possible.)

Was he referring to any supplication other than al-Faatihah inside or outside of salaah?  (This is possible, but unlikely since he did not mention a text to restrict it, and it also goes against the action of the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) mentioned in the above hadeeth.

While I will look for more statements from the Shaafi'ees and other fuqahaa', I currently understand Ash-Shaafi'ee's statement to hold the first meaning, that one does not say "Aameen" at the end of any soorah in the salaah except Al-Faatihah, since this was mentioned in his discourse on the actions and statements of the salaah, wallaahu a'lam.

Moosaa Richardson

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In shaa' Allaah you all know the hadeeth of 'Aa'ishah, when she heard the Jew saying "As-Saam 'alaykum" (Death be unto you) to the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam).  If not, review it, it is mentioned in the following article:

http://www.bakkah.net/articles/salaamstojews.htm

Ibn Khuzaymah brings an additional wording to the story, that when the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) rebuked 'Aa'ishah for what she said to the Jews, he then said:

quote:






"Verily the Jews are a envious group of people,
and they do not envy us over anything more
than they envy us over the salaam and 'Aameen'"



The hadeeth is found in Ibn Khuzaymah in his Saheeh (1/73/2), according to Al-Albaanee, who declared its chain to be saheeh in the Silsilah (#691).

It is also found in Ibn Maajah (#856 of Ma'rifah's printing) with a similar wording.  As-Sindee [d.1138] said, "(They are jealous) over the salaam and the aameen due to what they know about their virtues and blessings.  So the meaning is: So what is befitting for you is to use them both a lot." {Sharh As-Sindee 1/466)

And if someone was to say: "This is only referring to the congregation saying aameen with their imaam during the salaah."  Then it can be said to him:  What is your proof to restrict this text to that meaning?  Especially since the "salaam" mentioned in the hadeeth is something we say in salaah, yet the sabab wurood (reason for the saying) of the hadeeth shows that it is in reference to the salaams said outside of salaah specifically.

Moosaa Richardson

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Imaam Muslim brings a hadeeth in his Saheeh (#6865), on the authority of Aboo Ad-Dardaa', may Allaah be pleased with him, who said that the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) said:

quote:



"Whoever supplicates for his brother in his absence, then the Angel responsible for it (the supplication) says: Aameen and to you likewise."



This shows that saying 'Aameen' to supplications is from the Sunnah of the angels as well.

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Al-Jassaas said in his book Ahkaam Al-Qur'aan, in his tafseer of Soorah Yoonus:

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"As for Allaah's Statement: ( Verily (both of) your supplication has been answered ), then He ascribed the supplication to both of them (Moosaa and Haaroon).  Aboo Al-'Aaliyah, 'Ikrimah, Muhammad ibn Ka'b, and ar-Rabee' ibn Moosaa said, 'Moosaa was supplicating and Haaroon was saying 'Aameen', so Allaah referred to both of them as making supplications.'"



If this tafseer is correct, it shows that the phrase 'Aameen' was from the Sunnah of the previous prophets as well.

Moosaa Richardson

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Ibn Al-'Arabee says in his Ahkaam Al-Qur'aan, in his tafseer of Soorah Al-Faatihah, regarding the meaning of the word, "Aameen":

quote:

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"There are three positions about this.  Firstly it is said that it is one of the Names of Allaah, but that is not authentically relayed, nor is it an established statement.  Secondly, it has been said that is means: 'O Allaah, respond!'  And it takes the place of a supplication like an abbreviation.  Thirdly, it is said that it means: 'Let it be like that.'  The more balanced and correct opinion is the middle one (ie. the second one)."



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bissmillahi ar arhmani ar rahim

assalam alaykoum

Jazakoum Allahou khairan for this great research;
so from this qawl:


quote:

It is also found in Ibn Maajah (#856 of Ma'rifah's printing) with a similar wording.  As-Sindee [d.1138] said, "(They are jealous) over the salaam and the aameen due to what they know about their virtues and blessings.  So the meaning is: So what is befitting for you is to use them both a lot." {Sharh As-Sindee 1/466)


can it be said that "ameen" is a sounnah which is moustahab,   meaning one gets rewarded for when he says it, and if one leaves this habit something makrouh?

*an other little qst; what is the difference (if there is one) between mou-akkadah and moustahab?
a brother in france said: the tarawih is mou-akkadah, and it means waajib... which i was very surprised to hear, as i know the 'ulama say it is not waajib (due to the hadith) but also because of his explanation of the word mou-akkadah meaning waajib; clarification on this point would be much appreciated.*

Barakallahou fikoum, i ask a lot, but i do not have the books to look into at home, and as fiqh is a vast subject with many ikhtilaaf in it, i prefer not look into it by myself.




" al haqqou min rabbikoum" (Ali 'Imran).






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