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Topic: Was there a meeting in Toronto?
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 Sunnee
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I heard that the Jordanians and Usamah al-Qoosi requested a meeting with TROID this past weekend when they were in Toronto for the QSS conference, is this true? Can someone from TROID either confirm or deny this?
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| AbooZakee
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As Salaam Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakatuh,
A meeting with the Jordanians was requested by a man by the name of 'Abdul-Ghaffar. A man who owns a tape shop called Maktabatul-Huddaa (Maktabatud-Dalaalah). He is one of aids Ahlul-Bid'ah by way of selling the recordings of Shareef Abdun-Noor al-Hizbee (the one refuted by Imaam Muqbil Ibn Haadee), the 'muhdith' of Canada, Shareer Shill (Imaam of the infamous Arooree, Hzibee Masjid, Khalid Ibnul-Waleed), 'Umar Farooq as-Sumaalee al-Ikwaanee and a variety of other Qutbee, Hizbee Juhaal.
He is one who was presented with clear proof on these aforementioned issues and one who has persisted upon his filthy Hawaa by continuing to accomodate Ahlul-Bid'ah, befriending them, working with them and propogating their slime amongst the community, here and abroad. He has further enforced his position against Ahlus-Sunnah by removing links to known Salafee websites such as www.salafipublications.com and www.troid.org.
This wretched one, 'Abdul-Ghafaar called the Salafee da'wah Centre in Toronto in quite a stir on Saturday evening, insisting that the da'wah centre meet with the four Jordanians. It was clearly explained to him that the issue concerning the Jordanians and Usaamah al-Qoosee is between them and Shaykh Rabee', The Imaam of Jarh wat-Ta'deel and that they (the Jordanians) must recant and return to Shaykh Rabee' (as Shaykh Muhammad al-Bannaa further emphasized lately). Rather, the Da'wah Centre hasn't taken a position against the Jordanians, we have only implemented the position of Ahlul-Ilm with the aim of raising high the positions of the 'Ulamaa of 'Ahlus-Sunnah, the inheritors of the Prophets.
This hideous Muqallid of 'Abdun-Noor and bosom-buddy of Basheer Shill continued on with his rant, insisting that we must meet with the Jordanians and that they (the Jordanians) have indeed agreed to meet with the da'wah centre, at this point, quite appropriately, we ended the phone conversation with him. So the position was made clear, the position is not a position of the da'wah centre but rather, an implementation of the position of our noble 'Ulamaa.
Wa Jazaakum Allaahu Khair
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| Moosaa
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May Allaah ta'aalaa reward the brothers at TROID for their keen balance, maa shaa' Allaah. I love them for Allaah's Sake. May Allaah ta'aalaa preserve them.
I pray that this will be a factor in humbling our brothers from Jordan and a further hint about the need for proper tawbah and respect for the positions of our elders. I pray that they will come to Makkah next month (Ramadhaan) taa'ibeen 'aabideen mutawaadhi'een aakhitheen al-mowqif as-saheeh.
Moosaa
And could someone post any information available on the attendance at the conference?
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سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
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| abu.bilal
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asalaamu alaikum....
After passing by the Islamic foundation of Toronto, a Hizbee Masjid, a place where I always thought that we as Salafeeyoon, we were NOT to hold our functions at.. refer to Shk. Faalih... I thought I would stop by to offer my salaat (as I do sometimes since I live in the area and there is no salafi masjid there). While I was were, a brother doing the tapes, made some indication that I thought that this was a ?Hizbee affair?
I told him ya akhee.. I'm not here to talk about hizbee affairs, I only wanted to come to offer my salaat, and not be at this 'Hizbee affair' held in a Hizbee Masjid' .. wa'Allahu Musta'an
I was approached by Ali Sabr who had made mention that he was not impressed / happy at that people had been referring to this as a Hizbee event etc
the first thing I said to Br Ali S. was that I was not here to 'discuss' what had already been discussed by the people of Knowledge etc.. his reply was "who the br's at TROID?"
I told him no ya akhee, the people of Knowledge... which then prompted him to echo his disapproval of what those brothers at TROID had been saying etc.. (who is he anyways?) May Allahu' Subhana wa'tala increase those brothers at TROID in Khair.. I had to tell the brother that he had interrupted a conversation, and gave him my salaams, and continued my original conversation.
This event was without a doubt (Wa'Allahu alam) was what seemed to be a combined function between QSS and those at KBW aka Khalid Ibn Walid Masjid in Toronto. Many of the brothers were there from KBW including Shareer or Bashir Y. Shill. Another brother by the name of Abdul Gafaar (of Maktabatul-Hawaa fame) was seemingly in charge of tape production/
I found it interesting ma'shallah that the parking lot at the Hizbee Islamic Fdn, was seemingly quite full. The license plates on those cars... alhamdulilah, were probably 90% from Ontario, with few of the hizbiyyoon from the US
this is a big difference to previous QSS conferences that I have attended in Toronto, were usually the make up of the attendees were br's / Sr's from the States and not so many Somalee brothers etc. Which can indicate only one of two scenarios... 1) that many Somalee br's/Sr's have come to the Manhaj since the last program or, 2) that simply put KBW moved it's location to those who they like to align themselves with under the direction of the leader Shareer Yusuf Shill, even though there actions contradict those of OUR Ulemah!
SO, the event was I sure a success in the eyes of the QSS and KBW! One brother with the QSS asked me if I believed the decision of the Ulema re: Abdul Monem Al Kathab An Nammam AL Hizbee, I told him of course.. who were we to question the likes of Shk. Faalih and Shk. Rabee and other than them concerning their rulings in this affair! He made mention re: the recent discourse that Al Kathab of the QSS had with Shk. Abdul Muhsin.. I asked the brother if he understood arabic.. he replied very little, I advised the brother to listen to the taped discussion, instead of the translated version provided / manipulated into the english language by this Hizbee, this Kathab, the leader of the QSS in Canada and the United States. Wa'Allahu musta'an
I asked the brother what will your position be if Shk. Abdul Muhsin freed himself from these statements..? The brother remained silent as if he wouldn't know what he would do!
By this time I was completely disgusted at what I had seen so I took my children and left that hizbee hideout.
Baraka'Allahu feek
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| Moosaa
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and another question if you are able...
What about the talks at the conference? Did anything like what happened in the UK take place, like Saleem Al-Hilaalee's talk?
Was it more of that same stuff, defending the "mathloom"?
Moosaa
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سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك
أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
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| salafibrother
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As salaamu 'alaykum
A brother came for the purpose of business and had to go to this Masjid and while he was there he herd the following from Usaamah al Qoosee:
"We have to be careful of the 'Ulemah. We can't trust all of them and they are not Ma'soom..."
The brother then mentioned that he wanted to vomit after hearing these words.
Inshaa' Allaah when some brothers will listen to the tapes and infor the salafees of what has transpired.
Additionally, one of the brothers at QSS Canada said that he didn't believe Sh Rabee' said those things about Abdul Mon'im al Libee (QSS Director).
These and other signs are very very similiar to that of those around Abu Muslimah (NJ) when he was refuted and labled a Hizbee, in that the people around the leader denied that the Shaykh had refuted their "main man", and acted as if they were picking and choosing what statements of Ahlul 'Ilm they would take or shoving it under the carpet.
Even those who called Shaykh Rabee' a few years ago re Adnaan 'Ar'oor and was 100% in agreement with Sh Rabee' as to his Naseehah to them and how to deal with those who welcome the likes of Adnaan 'Ar'oor (KBW Masjid). These same individuals are now disregarding the Naseehah of Sh Rabee' about Abdul Mon'im because of their closeness to him.
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| alatharee
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I hope that evil & disgusting statement was recorded.
Its no different from the statements Abu Usaamah. Both of them create shakk and dhann regarding the 'Ulamaa.
So we can see now where it comes from directly.
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أذا اشتد صيف الحزبيين , وشتاء القطبيين , وخريف السروريين , فاعلم أن الأمة بحاجة إلى ربيع السنة و الدين
This message was edited by alatharee on 10-15-02 @ 6:18 AM
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| aboo.shaahir
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Al hamdulillahir rabbil aalameen was salaatu was salaamu 'ala nabeeyinaa muhammad wa 'ala aalihi wa sahbihi ajma'een
The hizbees are truly hilarious...LOL! Why is it that the 'lawyers' for the hizbees are always those who are not recognized for having any knowledge at all? Barakallaahu feekum ya Aba Bilaal for some of your insight on the events that took place this weekend, but after reading what Ali Sabr had said to you, I couldn't help myself by having a little chuckle! It amazes me that when you think that this individual's kalaam can't get any more foolish, he says something that surpasses the last foolish thing he said...LOL! Ali Sabr is really no one to be talking about, but, it seems as if he's always putting himself in the mix whenever his hizbee organization is under siege. It only shows that these individual's love is for their hizb and those attached to it and not for the dawah tu-salafiyyah! Everybody who claims to be upon the manhaj will tell you that Shaykh Rabee (hafidhahullaah) is the Imaam of Jarh wa Ta'deel. But lately amongst those who only wear 'the cloak of salafiyyah', are showing in their actions that "Shaykh Rabee is the Imaam of Jarh wa Ta'deel as long as he doesn't speak ill of us and those we love", wallaahu musti'aan!
It would have been better for Ali Sabr to stick to what he does and that's security for QSS, and refrain from being its spokeperson. The brother should seek knowledge and learn about the dawah tu-salafiyyah and abandon 'the dawah tu-salafiyyah according to QSS' which he possesses. He should also fear Allaah and give the kibaar ulamaa their rights and not attack those who implement the kalaam of the ulamaa.
Aboo Shaahir as-Salafee
This message was edited by aboo.shaahir on 10-15-02 @ 12:01 PM
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