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Moosaa
06-20-2003 @ 9:46 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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As-Salaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullaah

There exists the practice among some of the brothers when they write articles or place footnotes to translations, that they use the footnotes of others or their references, without mentioning that they took this footnote from them, or summarized it.

I mean by this, to give a practical example, lets say you am writing an article about the importance of sticking to the ulamaa', so you find a beautiful and highly relevant hadeeth from an article at spubs.com.  So you put the quote in your article and use the reference provided by spubs, like "Al-Mu'jam Al-Kabeer of At-Tabaraanee, 12/203" for example.  

Some of the dangers of this practice can be outlined as follows:

1) You have conveyed knowledge improperly, without mentioning your sources.
2) You have stolen the research of others.
3) You have violated the trust of conveying knowledge.
4) You have made people think that you are more knowledgable or more capable of research than you really are.
5) You may be using the internet to build an identity for yourself, a researcher, something that you are far from (and this has been seen many times).

Shaykh Rabee' was asked about this practice and he said it is "SARIQAH, SARIQAH!"  (Theft, theft!)  He said it is a case of a person taking credit for something he did not do.

Dear brother, do not count the number of times you have seen this practice, and thus misguide yourself into thinking that there is nothing really wrong with it!

Rather, increase your humbleness, mention your sources, make things clear, and do not allow a chance for people to credit you with something you did not do.

It was related that the Shaykh Al-Albaanee rahimahullaah had a dawwaar (a rotating bookshelf) that he used to keep on his desk.  The shaykh actually built it himself.  So one of his students remarked at what a smart invention it was.  So the shaykh told him that it was not his idea originally, rather he got it from Shaykh Ahmad Shaakir and just made a bigger version.

Look how our shaykh did not want anyone to think that he came up with a simple idea that was really not his.  Look at the purity of the soul in such an action, look at the clarity!

So all that is upon us is to mention our sources fully.  If we are translating someone's notes on takhreej of a hadeeth, we just say after mentioning it, "This is Fulaan's takhreej of the hadeeth from the Book "Kathaa", p.xx"  

By doing this, we take the way of clarity, and free ourselves from having the aforementioned problems.

Let us mutually advise each other to abandon this bad practice without blaming anyone individually for falling into it due to heedlessness or ignorance, since it is very widespread and perhaps no one has cautioned against it yet.

It is something that must be corrected, as it is something "worse than tadlees" as Shaykh Rabee' described it.

I pray that Allaah benefits you with this, and Allaah knows best.

Moosaa Richardson

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أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت
أستغفرك وأتوب إليك

AbuYusufAlKashmiri
06-21-2003 @ 4:19 PM    Notify Admin about this post
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As sallam ualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatahu

"It was related that the Shaykh Al-Albaanee rahimahullaah had a dawwaar (a rotating bookshelf) that he used to keep on his desk.  The shaykh actually built it himself.  So one of his students remarked at what a smart invention it was.  So the shaykh told him that it was not his idea originally, rather he got it from Shaykh Ahmad Shaakir and just made a bigger version"

Jazakallahkhair for sharing this with us ya Moosa!!! When I read this, I instantly remembered that Sheikh Wasiullah Abbas was also having one of these built in his library in his house in Makkah. A few months ago, I was in his house with some other brothers for the Tuhfa-tu-sanneeyah class. That day, the sheikh had to cut the class short because the person who was building this invention for him had come and the sheikh wanted to supervise him etc. The sheikh then took us downstairs to his basement library and showed us this device. He then proceeded to tell us that he was told about this device by one of his sheikhs (from India I think) who himself had seen two such devices in the library of Sheikh Al-Albani!!!!

Mashallah, this is another example of our salafi scholars showing us their Sidq and always attributing things to their correct source. I always thought the begining of this chain started with sheikh Naasir, but obviously not. Im now wondering, did Ahmed Shaakir also get it from another sheikh?!!!

May Allah make us from amongst the truthful. Ameen.

Sagheer, Abu Yusuf Al-Kashmiri

    

This message was edited by AbuYusufAlKashmiri on 6-21-03 @ 4:40 PM

abusalmaan
06-23-2003 @ 11:42 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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بسم الله الرحمان الرحيم

This post is not to be taken as a refutation of the post of our brother Musaa but just to be taken into consideration.

In the book ?Manners of the scholar and student of knowledge? the explanation of the Hadeeth of Jibreel. By Saleem al-Hilaali translated by Abu Talha Daawud. On page twelve in the footnotes he says; The origin of this saying is taken from ibn Taymiyyah in al-Uboodiyyah, pages 24-25. And the earlier scholars if they adapted someone?s words, either by addition, deletion or abridgement did not see it to be necessary to then quote the original source. But in this age we suffer from young upshots who have little knowledge, and cause trouble to the people of knowledge, thinking themselves to be upon something, when this is not the case. So they make great accusations in this regard against the wise scholars of this Ummah and those upon their way- this only shoes their own foolishness. So for a time I applied the methodology of the earlier scholars in this regard. And some of those who turn into raisins before having ripened into grapes, those who do not have the patience to study long works and to compare sayings may think our sayings that this was a methodology followed by the earlier scholars is an exaggeration. But I have gathered more than a thousand clear examples of this matter ? from most of the earlier and later scholars, and have come across witnesses to that given by the verifiers from the people of knowledge. But then it seemed better to me not to act upon that in these times when the people are satisfied with the smell of knowledge alone and not its taste. So this is a case of ?speak to the people according to the level of their understanding? and Allaah the Most High knows best. The matter requires further clarification that you will see, If Allaah wills in some of our articles published in our publication al-Asaalah. And our sheikh, the great scholar ?abu Abdir-Rahmaan al-Albaani رحمه الله   has the merit of having explained and clarified this, so may Allaah reward him with good.

و الله أعلم




أبو سلمان النمري طلحة بن وليم

والعصر ان الانسان لفي خسر الا الذين آمنواو عملوا الصالحات و تواصوا بالحق و تواصوا بالصبر

This message was edited by abusalmaan on 6-23-03 @ 9:22 PM

abusalmaan
06-24-2003 @ 11:26 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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بسم الله الرحمان الرحيم


By the way, If anyone knows of a tape or article or footnote of ash-shaikh Naasir رحمه الله explaining this issue then please let us know as this would shed more light on the issue.

أبو سلمان النمري طلحة بن وليم

والعصر ان الانسان لفي خسر الا الذين آمنواو عملوا الصالحات و تواصوا بالحق و تواصوا بالصبر

Moosaa
11-08-2003 @ 11:56 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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