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daadir
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Bismillah Ar-Rahmani Ar-Raheem
Asalamu aliakum warahmatullah

My question is what is the ruling regarding striaghted the rows because there is an Imaam who makes a joke about some of the brothers who prayed behind him. He said after finishing the (salaat) prayer if there is one hadeeth mentioned that we join our feets together.Also he said about the ameen we don't have to say loud.


baarakallahu fiikum
wajaza kumullaahu khaira

Aboo muhammad As-Soomalee

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i pray this helps akhi
Regarding the straightening of the rows there are three sunnahs:

1 - Establishing the row and consolidating it, where no ones' chest or anything from them protrudes out {compared to} to those who are on his side, Hence there will be no crookedness in the line.

From amongst the expressions for straightening the rows are: "Istawoo" i.e. straighten your lines, "istaqeemoo" i.e. be straight, upright, "i'tadiloo" i.e. align yourselves, and "aqeemoo saf" i.e. establish the rows. And this establishing of the row, can be accurately implemented by commanding alignment between the necks, shoulders, knees and ankles. It is clear from the guidance of the Prophet {salallahu alahi wa salam} that these expressions were all used interchangeably.

2 - Filling the gaps, to the point where there is no space in it.

From amongst the ways of expressing this {is by saying}: "sudu'l khalal" i.e. fill the gaps, and "do no not leave a space for the shaytan." This sunnah can be precisely implemented by consolidating the lines, i.e. by saying "taraasoo"

3 - Connecting the first rows and the completion of it.

This is expressed in the following ways: "atimoo'saf al awal fal awal" i.e. complete the rows, the first one, then the one behind it, and "whoever connects a row, Allah will connect him {by His mercy} and whoever breaks {from} a row {by not filling the gap}, Allah will cut him off " {by cutting him off from His overall mercy} (see: "Awn Al Ma'bood Fee Sharh Sunan Abu Dawud").

And within these sunan {plural of sunnah} there are many other abandoned sunan; like making dua and asking forgiveness for the first row three times, then those behind twice, the imam coming to the end of the row to straighten it, sending someone to check upon the lines {see: sunan At-Tirmidhee}, and so forth, all from the guidance of the Prophet {salallahu alahi wa salam} way in achieving these three sunan for the lines by: straightening it, filling the gaps and consecutively completing the ranks, beginning with the first one, then the second, then the third and so forth.

All this is indicates that straightening the rows has a very important role in establishing the salah, beautifying it, and perfecting it. In this, there is great merit and reward, in addition to binding the hearts and bringing them together as the ahadeeth bears witness to. And this blessed ummah distinguishes itself, and it is unique, in that its' rows for the salah are like that of the angels, wa alhamdulillah rabil a'lameen.

Amongst the things which have been added, is the new stance for the salah which has no source, is what we see from some musaleen {those who line up for the salah}: adjoining to the one to his right, if he is on the right side of the line, and the one to his left, if he is on the left side of the line, is such a manner that he adjusts his heels to joins his ankles to the ankles of the one beside him. This type of stance is something extra from what has been narrated, and also in it {this stance} is extremity in practicing the sunnah. This stance is contradictory for two reasons: Firstly: Joining the feet and adjusting until they are stuck to each other is a clear mistake, apparent burden, new understanding in which there is extremity in practicing the sunnah, severe tightness, bothering oneself with what has not been legislated, preoccupying oneself by trying to fill the spaces when raising up from sujood, and losing the ability to direct the toes towards the qiblah {see: "Fath Al-Bari, vol 2, pg. 344, chapter: directing the toes towards the qiblah" i.e. in sujood"}. And also {in this stance} is the taking of the spot from the one who preceded him to it, in addition to seizing the place of the feet of other without any right. And all of this is making a sunnah out of what has not been legislated. Secondly: whenever the Prophet {salallahu alahi wa salam} ordered the alignment between the shoulders and the ankles, he would also order the alignment between the "necks" as in the hadeeth of Anas {radiallahu anhu} as narrated in the sunan of An Nasa'i {pg 813}. All this meaning: straightening the row, making it parallel and the even, and filling the gaps, does not mean to literally "join or stick {ilzaaq}", for indeed joining neck to neck is impossible, joining shoulders to shoulders in every standing is clearly burdensome, joining knee to knee is also impossible, and joining ankle to ankle is to a certain extent unattainable in addition to it being burdensome, difficult, and busying oneself in every rakat, which is clear and apparent.

Therefore, it is clear that aligning is in four cases: the neck, the shoulders, the knees and the ankles - all from one door. The intention behind it being to encourage the establishing of the rows, consolidating it, making it straight and even without any crookedness or spaces, and by this the goal of the legislator {Allah} is achieved.

Al Hafidh ibn Hajar says "what is meant by straightening the rows is to be aligned upright in a common manner, or what is meant by it is to fill the gaps..... " { "Fath ul-Bari" the explanation of saheeh Al Bukhari, vol. 2, pg. 242}. And this is the fiqh of the ahadeeth for straightening the rows, as in the hadeeth of ibn Nu'man ibn Bashir {radiallahu anhu} who said "the Messenger of Allah (may peace-be upon him) used to straighten our rows as one would set an arrow upright, until we thought that we had understood. One day he turned with his face whereby he saw a man whose chest was bulging out from the row, so he said: straighten your rows or Allah would create dissension amongst you," {sunan Abu Dawud}. This is the sahabahs {may Allah be pleased with them} understanding of straightening the rows: Standing straight and filling the gaps, not sticking the ankles together. This is why when imam Al Bukhari said in his naming the chapter: Chapter joining the
shoulder to shoulder and foot to foot in the line, and Nu'man ibn Bashir said: "saw that a man would join his ankle to the ankle of his companion". Al Hafidh ibn Hajar said "what is intended by this is to greatly emphasize the straightening of the rows and filling the gaps." { "Fath ul-Bari" the explanation of saheeh Al Bukhari, vol. 2, pg. 242}

The proof of Al Hafidh ibn Hajar untainted understanding of the hadeeth from Bukharis' title of the chapter, is Nu'man ibn Bashir statement, as also recorded in the Saheeh of ibn Khuzaymah (nos.160), the Sunan of Ad Darqutanee (vol. 1, pg. 282), and in the Sunan of Abu Dawud where Nu'man ibn Bashir said "I saw {that} a man would join his shoulder to the shoulder of his companion, his knees to his knees, and ankle to ankle" {this is the wording of the hadeeth as it came in the Sunan of Abu Dawud}.

Thus, joining knees to knees is impossible, hence, it becomes clear that the meaning of the hadeeth is encourage and emphasize filling of the gaps and straightening of the rows, and not the actual joining and sticking. This is why Al Khataabee said about the hadeeth that has been narrated by Ibn Abbas {radiallahu anhu} from the Prophet {salallahu alahi wa salam} that he said "the best of you are those of you who have the most gentle shoulder in salah" {Abu Dawud and others. It is hasan according to al- Albaanee, Saheeh ul-Jaami no. 3264) }, "the meaning of it is to have tranquility throughout the salah, and to be comfortable within it, and not to push nor rub against the shoulders of the one next to him" {Mu'aalim As Sunan, and Awn Al Ma'bood Fee Sharh Sunan Abu Dawud: vol.2 pg. 369}

This concept can be further explained by using the example of the narrations of the different wordings for "at tawaruk" in salah, {i.e. to sit with the left upper thigh on the ground and the right foot being upright, in the last at tashahud}, as in the hadeeth of Abi Hameed As Sa'dee {radiallahu anhu} who said about the Prophet {salallahu alahi wa salam} "and he would sit on his bottom". This manner of expression is a type where a general word or phrase is used, however, only part of that word or phrase is intended; "itlaq al kul wa iradtul ba'd". For it is impossible for the one who does the "tawarruk" to place his whole bottom on the ground, this is why in other wordings of the hadeeth it says: "he sat on his left side", "he put his left leg on the ground", "he sat on his left side mutawarrikan". Thus, it is not possible that a person of intelligence to derive from the wording "and he would sit on his bottom," the ability to sit his whole bottom on the ground, for this is impossible naturally and conceptually, just as the case for the wordings for being straight as has been mentioned before. Look at the hadeeth about the merits of salah in its time, for it is as ibn Daqeeq said in "Al Ahkam" {vol. 2, pg. 38}, "it has never been narrated from any of them (the salaf) that they used to be extreme (yushadid) in this, to the extent that {they say that} the first takbeer should take place exactly at the beginning of the time of the salah {to get the blessings of praying the salah in its time}"

And Allah is most knowledgeable about His rulings.

Taken from the first chapter of Bakr Abu Zayds' book "La Jadeed Fee Ahkaam As Salah"
- There is nothing new in the rulings for Salah, first printing: 1413 hijri corresponding to 1992}



wa ALLAH ALAM


wassalaam
lps akhi.

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Moosaa
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wa 'alaykumus-salaamu wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh

The following addresses some of the conclusions reached in the book "Laa Jadeed fee Ahkaam as-Salaat" of Shaykh Bakr Aboo Zayd (may Allaah have Mercy on him):

In the Name of Allaah, the Most Merciful...

May His Salaat and Salaam be upon the Final Messenger...

1. The obvious meaning of the order: "fill the gaps" is to not leave any space between people when praying.  When two people stand side by side and connect to each other - their shoulders and feet connect.  If they were to move even closer their hips, (sides of) knees, and (sides of) calves touch.  (Try it)  Oddly shaped people (obese or otherwise) may not be able.

2. The obvious meaning of the prohibition: "do not leave gaps for the shaytaan" is to not leave any space, or to stand next to each other, connected.

3. The obvious understanding of the Companions when addressed with this speech was to not leave any space, to the point that they joined their ankles, knees, and shoulders, as narrated explicitly by the likes of Anas and Nu'maan (may Allaah be pleased with them both).

4. Their understanding and application was witnessed by the Prophet (sallallahau 'alayhe wa sallam) who did not rebuke them for extremism or harshness.  This is something called "taqreer" and thus becomes legislation, and can be easily identified as the correct understanding.

5. It is possible to join knees when standing, so to claim that this is impossible and necessitates ta'weel (leaving the obvious understanding) of the action of the Companions is false.  (Again - try it)  Of course the whole knee is not intended (that would be impossible), rather it is a case of "itlaaq al-kull wa iraadatul-ba'dh".  The intended meaning is the sides of the knees, as is obvious.

6. al-Khattaabee's words in al-Ma'aalam (1/184) "wa laa yahaak-ku bimankibihi mankiba saahibhi" do not in any way imply that one should leave spaces in the row.  It means that they should not "grind" their shoulders together in a way that causes friction, and thus a distraction for one's prayers.  Joining shoulders does not necessitate any friction between them.  Actually the hadeeth, "The best of your are the softest (or easiest) with their shoulders in prayer." is a proof that the shoulders are indeed supposed to be connected in the row, since how could a person be desrcibed as being "soft-shouldered" while he is not touching anything?!

7. Ibn Hajr's words in Fat-hul-Baaree (2/211) are clear in conveying how important it is to not leave gaps.  Nothing he said could be interpreted as an indication that we are to leave gaps.  His reference to the actions of the Comapanions (joining their shoulders and feet) as a "mubaalaghah" does not in any way mean a negative mubaalaghah (extremism, excessiveness, etc.)  Rather it is a praiseworthy mubaalaghah (devout fulfillment of an order), like in the hadeeth "Baalighoo fil-istinshaaq..."  (Sniff in a lot of water when performing wudhoo...)  Had they engaged in a blameworthy mubaalaghah, how could the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) remain silent about it?!

8. al-Bukhaaree called the chapter he collected this hadeeth in: "The chapter of joining the shoulders and feet together in the row".  This is the obvious meaning understood from the reports of the Companions actions, as mentioned.

9. Joining the feet and shoulders does not necessitate being "overly obsessed" with it, nor being distracted from one's devotion to the prayer.  People who claim this are often used to praying without anyone touching them, so a simple touch disturbs them.

10. Swaying in the prayer line has become common, both front to back swaying, and side to side.  Joining the shoulders in the row is the prophetic solution for this modern day innovation that comes from the Jews and their manner of prayer.  This swaying is a kind of heedlessness that desperately needs a solution, as pointed out by the scholars, including Shaykh Bakr Aboo Zayd (may Allaah have Mercy on him) himself in his book Tas-heeh ad-Du'aa'.

11. Joining the feet and shoulders does not mean hurting people.  There are people who hurt the Muslims by literally "jamming" their ankle bone to their brother's ankle bone and maybe even grinding it, perhaps excessively.  This is a clear contradiction to the sense of ease and tranquility we are to establish in the prayer.

12. Many people are confused about how to line up for prayer.  Some people draw a line and ask the people to put their toes on it.  Others say we should put our heels on it.  This is a practice that was not done in the time of the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam), one that has arisen as a solution to a problem that exists because we left the original guidance of the Messenger (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) and do not join our shoulders and ankles together in the row.  A row with people's ankles and shoulders connected is a straight and connected row and usually only needs a few minor adjustments before starting the prayer.

13. Anas' statement about the manner of lining up that "If I would do this with any of them today, they would flee like wild mules!" proves that he was describing the actual physical joining of the feet and shoulders, not an allegorical one.

I hope this might clarify some of the issues related to this subject, and Allaah knows best.

Moosaa ibn John Richardson

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daadir
27-03-2009 @ 5:28 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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Bismillah Alhamdulillah
waslaatu waslaamu ala rasuulillah wa ba'du
Thank you for your answers and this will savice
jazaa kallahu khiera for your efford
wabillahi towfiiq

Aboo muhammad As-Soomalee

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Jazakallahu khair for the clear tafseel.  

In a discussion with a brother about this issue he mentioned a narration stating to join "neck to neck" which (as he said) is obvious that joining feet is only a simile (for lack of a better word) for straightening the rows.  I hadn't ever heard this narration so I could only suggest the brother check the authenticity of it before using it as a proof against connecting the feet.

Has anyone every heard this?  And what is the authenticity of this?

Rasheed Abdullah

Moosaa
17-07-2009 @ 11:03 PM    Notify Admin about this post
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I have never heard of a narration reuesting us to join our necks together!  Maybe its a mistranslation or a misunderstanding?  Whoever claims this should point us to the source of the narration or give us the wording...

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AS Salaamu alaikum wa Rahmatullaah,
Since we are on the topic of the Saff, there is an issued that after all there years, I have not been very clear on.  Once the first saff is complete, does the second saff start from the extreme right then proceed to the left, or does it start the the middle and proceed to the right, or does it start in the middle then alternate between right side and left side until the Saff is full.  Overdue clarity needed.
As Salaamu alaikum wa Rahmatullaah
Abdul Basir

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18-07-2009 @ 3:53 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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Concerning the hadeeth that Abu Sheeren mentioned,then it comes in the
hadeeth of Anas, may Allah be pleased with him, where the Prophet Sallahu alahi wa salam said, "Stand close together in your rows, bring them near to one another and stand neck to neck. This hadeeth is mentioned by Imam Abu Dawood who said the Sanad is Saheeh according to the condition of Imam Muslim. Imam Nasa'i also reported this hadeeth and Ibn Hibban declared it to be saheeh. This narration of the Prophet Sallallahu alahi wa salam is part of a longer hadith. Imam ibn Hajr narrates this hadith in his Bulugh al Maram and Imam Nawawi has narrated it in his Riyaadus Saliheen.

Shaikh Albani, mentions this hadith in his Tahqeeq of Riyadu Saliheen and doesnt comment on the hadith, meaning it is authentic. Regarding the meaning brother Abu Sheeren mentioned that join neck to neck, this i dont know about and this is what i think confused brother Moosa Richardson since the wording of the hadith says, wa hadhu al Aanaqi (stand neck to neck). Maybe brother Moosa can shed some light on the Sharh of the hadith from the kuttab of the ulema. This, walhamdulilah.

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abdul.basir:

wa 'alaykumus-salaamu wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh...

The rows start from the middle, right behind the imaam.  This was how the Companions started the 1st row and there is no evidence to show that they did otherwise for the 2nd, 3rd, etc...  This is discussed by Shaykh Bakr (rahimahullaah) in "Laa Jadeed".

As for the hadeeth "wassitoo al-imaam" ("Make the imaam in the middle") then i remember it being labeled dha'eef by Shaykh al-Albaanee, but I dont recall where it is right now.

What would you say to a person who came to the masjid while the first row is half full in the middle of the masjid behind the imaam, and he stands by himself next to the right wall?  There is a huge gap to be filled!  Now will we oblige the whole congregation to leave their positions behind the imaam and move over to join the row with him, or will we request him to move towards the imaam and fill the row in that direction?

and there is no specific preference based on the texts for the right side of the masjid over the left, or vice-versa anyway.  (i say this knowing that someone might think there is a hadeeth in saheeh muslim disproving this, so if you need clarification on this topic please start a seperate thread since its slightly off topic)

And Allaah knows best.


Nuaym:

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this is what i think confused brother Moosa


i wasn't actually confused there.  i said, "I have never heard of a narration reuesting us to join our necks together!  which is an admission of ignorance.  even if there was such a narration that i didn't know of and i learned it on ST, then this would be the case of an ignorant person learning, not a confused person coming out of confusion.

the wording of the hadeeth mentioned is (ııııı ıııııııı), haathoo bil-a'naaq, which does not at all mean to connect the necks, it means to line them up thats all.

(ıııııııı) al-muhaathaat in arabic means to be in line with or near one another in succession, not necessarily touching, like the narration of the raising the hands in salaat (ııı ıııııııı) hathwal-mankibayn, to be level with ones shoulders, and in one narration to be level with one's ears, not necessarily touching.

so it actually was a misunderstanding of the text and/or a mistranslation as I suspected, and Allaah is the One who grants success!

Moosaa ibn John Richardson

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As Salaamu alaikum wa Rahmatullaah,
Thank you bro Moosa.  However, that partially answers my question.  After starting the second or third saff, what will be the position of the 2nd and 3rd person in that new saff.  Will they be going to the right or the right and left person standing in line with the Imaam?
As Salaamu alaikum wa Rahmatullaah wa Barakatuhu
Abdul Basir

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wa 'alaykumus-salaamu wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh

The people go directly to the row, to the first available space.  If they come in from the right side of the masjid, then they join the row on the right, unless they notice that the row in front of the last one was not filled on the left side.  (meaning the people started row #5 for example but they never completed row #4)

If they come in the left side of the masjid they join the row on the left, so long as they do not notice a gap in the row in front of it on the right.

This is what is in line with the actions of the Companions and the taabi'oon in general, while some scholars preferred the right side over the left in general, wihtout any proof that stands up to scrutiny.

And Allaah knows best.

Moosaa ibn John Richardson

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AsSalaamu alaikum wa Rahmatullaah,
Now, AlHamdulillaah, I have clarity on this issue of the Saff.
Bro Moosaa, may Allaah reward you.
As Salaamu alaikum wa Rahmatullaah
ABdul Basir

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Asalaamu alaikum,

Do you know of a daleel for having two brothers praying together, one of course as imaam.  Them standing side by side.  I have been asked this at work as the brothers there stand almost a step behind.

Barak Allahu feekum

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The Place of the Imaam When Two are Praying

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wa 'alaikumussalaam wa rahmtullaahi wa barakaatuh dear brother,

Please click on the title "The Place of the Imaam When Two are Praying" at this link on SunnahPublishing.net. Here's the introduction given:

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The Place of the Imaam When Two are Praying - A short research on the issue of the where the Imaam stands for Prayer when only two people are praying (i.e. the Imaam and the follower).  The proofs from the Sunnah indicate that they stand together, without the Imaam being about half a step in front of the follower, as is commonly thought by many today.


سبحان الذي لا يشكر إلا بنعمة أخرى

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Two more benefits related to the topic:

1) Stand naturally, feet shoudler width apart.

The distance between a person's two shoulders is not something he can control or stretch out.  Thus, the correct amount of space for a person to take in the row is what he needs to place his shoulder to his neighbor's shoulder on both sides.  Some people may stretch their feet wider thinking to be filling a gap, while in fact they are not!  When a person widens his stance (wider than shoulder width), he will likely not connect his shoulder to anyone's shoulder.  So it can be known from this that a person should stand naturally, feet about shoulder width apart.  The idea of the shoulder being the most important thing to connect is indicated in the hadeeth "Align yourselves by your shoulders and fill the gaps."

2) Another harm from not implementing the Sunnah, and another invention to replace it

People who wear things that limit their vision in prayer, like some styles of Arab headwear, like the shimaagh or ghutrah, those who also insist on not connecting themselves to the row, may stand at or near the end of a row, and be left heedless that someone has left the row (to renew wudhoo', etc.) and there is a need to move over.  Since he can not see sideways because of the headwear, and his shoulder is not connected to the row, he may only notice when moving into rukoo' that the row has actually abandoned him and he is off by himself on the side of the row totally disconnected!  While the one who is connected knows of this issue because he can feel the absence the one standing next to him.  In fact, the people who demand that gaps be left in the row have invented a custom to help solve this issue: they actually tug on the clothes of a person to tell him he needs to move over, and they take it as a kind of duty to notify the one next him!  This is an additional action in the prayer that is not necessary when people pray together in the way done by the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) and his companions.

And Allaah knows best.

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Bismillaah
Asalaamu alaykum wa'rahmatullaah.


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They actually tug on the clothes of a person to tell him he needs to move over, and they take it as akind of duty to notify him!

Subhaanallaah I'v done this so many times and i still see people do it.

I have two question regarding this;
1, What effect does that{the tugging of the clothes of the person} have on one's salaah?
2,What do you do when the person next to you breaks away from the saf? this happens alot when people get up from sujuud and stand up for the next rak'a
Jazaakumullaah khayran for the fawaaid

umm abdulkareem bint Muhammad
UK.






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