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ummmusa88
20-12-2008 @ 10:18 PM    Notify Admin about this post
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Asalamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakaatuh,

I am seeking an explanation of this Hadeeth, not to confuse it with the
bid'ah of congregational dua'a that goes on these days after the fard Salaah


Volumn 001, Book 012, Hadith Number 802.
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Narated By Abu Ma'bad : (The freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas) Ibn 'Abbas told me,
"In the lifetime of the Prophet it was the custom to celebrate Allah's
praises aloud after the compulsory congregational prayers." Ibn 'Abbas
further said, "When I heard the Dhikr, I would learn that the compulsory
congregational prayer had ended."


Moosaa
21-12-2008 @ 9:31 PM    Notify Admin about this post
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wa 'alaykumus-salaamu wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh.

The hadeeth mentions the raising of the voices (with thikr), not that it was congregational, or together in unison.  The scholars mention that du'aa' in congregation is a contradiction to the guidance of the Messenger (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam), and some exclude what is done for the purpose of teaching Quran, however others (like Maalik - I think) did not even allow this.  The issue is mentioned in at-Tibyaan of an-Nawawee if anyone wants to look into it further.

And Allaah knows best.

Moosaa ibn John Richardson

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Dardan
11-10-2009 @ 4:51 AM    Notify Admin about this post
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As-Salamu Alaykum wa Rahmetullahi wa Barakatuh

What is the Tafsir of the following Hadith.

The Hadith is in Tirmidhiu and is narrated by Abu Umamah (Radi Allahu Anhu) that the Prophet (SalAllahu Alayi wa Salam) was asked which supplication has the greatest response and He (SalAllahu Alayi wa Salam) said: "The supplication made at the middle of the las part of the night and the supplication after the completion of te cumpolsery prayers"

Is this Hadith Sahih?  Is it sunnah to make dua'a after we finish Fardh Salah? After the Dhikr or strait away after Salat?

Jazak Allahu Khayr

Abu Maryam Al-Albanee

yasin3683
11-10-2009 @ 10:35 PM    Notify Admin about this post
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Bismillaah Al-Hamdulillaah

May Allaah reward our brother Moosa for that very important clarification regarding not making the dhikr in unison, i.e. in congregation.

Regarding the Sunnah of making dhikr individually aloud after the five obligatory prayers, here is what Shaikh Al-'Uthaimeen and Shaikh Ibn Baaz (rahimahumullaah) said about it. BaarakAllaahu fikum.  

Dhikr Aloud after Salat is a Sunnah

Question: What is the ruling on raising the voice when seeking forgiveness (saying "astaghfirullaah" three times) and utterening dhikr after prayer, bearing in mind that this disturbs the others, since they find difficulty in maintaining a sense of humility in Tasbih and remembrance? Also, it is difficult for those who are completing their prayers to do so with humility and contemplation.

Shaikh al-'Uthaimeen (rahimahullaah) answered:
quote:
The Sunnah is to say it aloud, as the Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) used to say it aloud. Ibn 'Abbaas (radiallaahu 'anhumma) said: "They used to raise their voices when making dhikr after finishing the prayer in the time of the Prophet (salallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam)."

And if all of the people raise their voices, they will not disturb each other. But they will disturb each other if some of them say it aloud and others say it quietly. There is no doubt that it will disturb the one who says it quietly, but if he were to raise his voice like them, there would be no disturbance. As for those who are making up what they missed, they have brought it upon themselves; if they had wished, they could have come early and it would not have disturbed them.

And as I said, if all of the voices were mixed together, there would be no disturbance, even for those who are making up their prayers, just as you see now on Fridays; the people all recite the Noble Qur'an and they raise their voices but, in spite of this, the worshipper comes and prays and he does not experience any disturbance.



Ibn Baaz (rahimahullaah) said:
quote:
It has been authentically reported in the Sahihain (two Sahihs) on the authority of Ibn 'Abbaas (radiallaahu 'anhumma) that in the time of the Messenger of Allaah (salallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) , it was the practice to raise the voice when making dhikr after the obligatory prayers; he said: "I used to know if they had finished (praying) when I heard it." [1]

This authentic hadith and others which carry the same meaning, such as the Hadith of Ibn az-Zubair, Al-Mughirah bin Shu'bah and others all prove the lawfulness of raising the voice when making dhikr after the people have finished the obligatory prayers, so that the people at the door of the mosque or those near to it will know that the prayer is over.

But whoever finds people praying what they have missed of the obligatory prayer near to him, it is better for him to lower his voice a little so that he does not disturb them, according to other evidences. And in raising the voice when making dhikr after the obligatory prayers, there are many benefits, including demonstrating the singing of Allaah's praises for the blessing He has conferred on them through their performance of this great obligatory prayer, and it teaches the ignorant and reminds those who forget; and if it were not for this, the Sunnah would remain unknown to many people. And Allaah is the Granter of success.


[1] Al-Bukhari no. 841; Muslim no. 583.


Source: Fatawa Islamiya, Volume 2


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ummmusa88
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barakAllahu feekum for the response,

dhikr outloud being a sunnah after the prayers - does this include any dhikr
and all dhikr? or only the dhikr that has been legislated by the prophet
sallallahu alayhi wa sallam? because i know individuals who make dhikr like
"rabbi irHamhumaa kamaa rabbayaani sagheera" and call upon Allah such as "ya
baaree2" out loud after the prayer (not raising hands though)...

wa Allahu 'alam






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