| abusalmaan | -- 15-03-2003 @ 12:00 AM |
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And from the signs of the coming of the Hour is the increase in trading and it becoming widespread amongst the people so much that the women will take part in it with the men. Imaam Ahmad and al Haakim report that Abdullaah ibn Mas?ood رضي الله عنه that the prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم said: From the coming of the hour is that people will only give salaams to those who they know, the widespread of trade so much until the woman will take part with her husband in trade. (Saheeh) An Nisaa?I reports from Amr ibn taghlab who said that the messenger of Allaah صلى الله عليه و سلم said: From the signs of the hour is that wealth will become widespread and will increase, and trade will become widespread. (look in silsila ahaadeeth sa saheeha by al Albaani) (vol 2. 251-252) This with no doubt has taken place, trade has increased and the women have also become involved and the people have been tested with the gathering of wealth and competing with one another in it. The prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم informed that he did not fear for this Ummah poverty, rather he feared that the Dunyaa will be opened up for them so then they will compete with one another in it. As he صلى الله عليه و سلم said : Wallaahi! It is not poverty that I fear for you, rather I fear that the Dunyaa will be opened up for you as it was opened up for those who came before you, so you will compete with one another in it just as they competed with one another in it, and it will destroy you as it destroyed them. (Bukhaari and Muslim) The prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم said: When Persia and Rome are conquered for you, what kind of people will you be? Abdur Rahmaan ibn Awf said: ?we say as Allaah ordered us?. The messenger of Allaah صلى الله عليه و سلم said: Or other than that, you will compete, then you will envy, then you will turn your backs on one another, then you will fight one another. (Muslim) So competing for the Dunyaa leads to weakness in the deen, the destruction of the Ummah and the splitting of the ranks as is what took place with those before us and what is taking place now! و الله المستعان أبو سلمان النمري والعصر ان الانسان لفي خسر الا الذين آمنواو عملوا الصالحات و تواصوا بالحق و تواصوا بالصبر This message was edited by abusalmaan on 4-14-03 @ 10:31 AM
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| abu.talhah.a | -- 14-04-2003 @ 12:00 AM |
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Assalaamu alaikum. "...so much until the woman will take part with her husband in trade..." Could some of the brothers who know the explanation of this part of the hadeeth please provide the explanation. Since we know there are many brothers whose wives are also involved in their businesses, also some want to know more about it. So is this allowed or disallowed in al-Islaam? Jazakumullaahu khair. Aslam
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| Moosaa | -- 14-04-2003 @ 12:00 AM |
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"Imaam Ahmad and al Haakim report that Abdullaah ibn Mas?ood رضي الله عنه that the prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم said: From the coming of the hour is the acceptance of those things that are private, the widespread of trade so much until the woman will take part with her husband in trade. (Saheeh)" Is this the hadeeth being referred to: قال الإمام أحمد: حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ آدَمَ أَخْبَرَنَا بَشِيرٌ أَبُو إِسْمَاعِيلَ عَنْ سَيَّارٍ أَبِي الْحَكَمِ عَنْ طَارِقٍ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ قَالَ لَهُ يَا أَبَا عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ تَسْلِيمُ الرَّجُلِ عَلَيْكَ فَقُلْتَ صَدَقَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ قَالَ فَقَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ بَيْنَ يَدَيِ السَّاعَةِ تَسْلِيمُ الْخَاصَّةِ وَتَفْشُو التِّجَارَةُ حَتَّى تُعِينَ الْمَرْأَةُ زَوْجَهَا عَلَى التِّجَارَةِ وَتُقْطَعُ الْأَرْحَامُ If so, there is the issue of Sayyaar Abul-Hakam... I was not able to find any explanation of the woman assisting her husband in business yet. Moosaa Richardson ******************** سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت أستغفرك وأتوب إليك This message was edited by Moosaa on 4-14-03 @ 11:27 AM
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| abu.talhah.a | -- 14-04-2003 @ 12:00 AM |
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Na'am this is the hadeeth I'm refering to, Akh. Please clarify further Akhee... Do you mean the translation is bad, and also is there a problem with the hadeeth being authentic? If it is authentic what is the correct translation and has any of the Ahlul-Ilm (even of our time) given an explanation to it? Jazakallaah khair. Aslam
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| Moosaa | -- 14-04-2003 @ 12:00 AM |
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wa 'alaykumus-salaam The translation has been corrected by the brother AbuSalmaan, may Allaah reward him. As for Sayyaar in the chain, then he is not named properly. When Basheer Aboo Ismaa'eel narrated from Sayyaar, he mistakenly called him Sayyaar Abul-Hakam, who is someone else (thiqah). So, if the chain was truly as mentioned here, then it would be munqati' (broken), since there is no mention of who is between Sayyaar Abul-Hakam and Taariq. All the men are thiqah, but Sayyaar Abul-Hakam did not narrate from Taariq ibn Shihaab (radhiyallaahu 'anhu), as Ad-Daaraqutnee clarified, correcting Imaam Al-Bukhaaree, "As for Bukhaaree's saying (that Sayyaar Abul-Hakam narrated from Taariq ibn Shihaab, then it is a mistake from him and anyone who follows him in that, since the one who narrated from Taariq was Sayyaar Aboo Hamzah." Imaam Ahmad himself also pointed out that Sayyaar Abul-Hakam did not narrate from Taariq. Aboo Daawood said about this situation, "He is Sayyaar Aboo Hamzah, but Basheer used to say 'Sayyaar Abul-Hakam, but he was mistaken." [Tah-theeb Al-Kamaal 3/351] The 'ulamaa' have clarified this hidden defect in the books of 'Ilal. So the one in the chain is not Sayyaar Abul-Hakam Al-Basree, the thiqah, rather it is Sayyaar Aboo Hamzah Al-Koofee. Ibn Hajr said he didn't know of any biography of him, and the only thing I have found is that Ibn Hibbaan mentioned him in Ath-Thiqaat. Al-Albaanee said, after mentioning this defect, "The chain does not fall below the level of hasan, since Ibn Hibbaan had called him thiqah while a number of people narrated from him." [As-Silsilah 6/634] As for the meaning, then we're still looking... Here's a hint for those interested: The hadeeth is found additionally in Al-Adab Al-Mufrad, Sharh Mushkil Al-Aathaar of At-Tahaawee, Musnad Al-Bazzaar, The Mu'jam Kabeer of At-Tabaraanee, and the Sunan of Al-Bayhaqee according to one muhaqqiq. As for Al-Adab Al-Mufrad, Jeelaanee did not mention anything related to the women in business part of the hadeeth. And At-Tahaawee only explained the salaam part of the hadeeth. And Allaah knows best. Moosaa Richardson ******************** سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت أستغفرك وأتوب إليك This message was edited by Moosaa on 4-14-03 @ 12:30 PM
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| abu.talhah.a | -- 14-04-2003 @ 12:00 AM |
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Jazakumullaahu khair wa baarakallaahu feekum. Akhee Moosaa, if you do have the time and the opportunity could you please ask the Shuyookh in Makkah for us insha'allaah, may be Shaykh Muhammad Umar Bazmool or even Shaykh Rabee' or other than them. Jazakallaahu khair. Aslam
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| Moosaa | -- 15-04-2003 @ 12:00 AM |
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Today after asr, our shaykh Rabee'us-Sunnah ibn Haadee (hafithahullaah) was discussing some ahaadeeth about the fitnahs to come, so I got the oppurtunity to ask the shaykh about the part of the hadeeth in question: Women helping their husbands in business. The shaykh said it means that they will be in the marketplaces themselves. He asked us, "Don't you see the women in the marketplaces these days?" We said, "of course." So he gestured indicating that this is the meaning of the hadeeth. So then I asked him, "Shaykh, so the hadeeth means the women will be out in the marketplaces themselves?" He said yes. Then I asked him about Khadeejah's business, may Allaah be pleased with her. He said that she used to send the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhe wa sallam) to do business for her, and she did not go out herself. He said that the women did not used to go with their husbands out to do business. I hope this clarifies the meaning of the hadeeth, and Allaah knows best. Moosaa Richardson ******************** سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
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| bint.umar | -- 15-04-2003 @ 12:00 AM |
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Bismillaahir-Rahmaanir-Raheem. Was-sawlaatu was salaamu 'alaa nabiyyinaa Muhammad. Because the Messenger of Allah (salallaahu 'alayhe wa salam) mentioned the women taking part in trade as a sign of the lcoming of the hour, does this necessitate the impermissibily of us women doing this? I ask because many of us women help our husbands in business to the extent our noble Shaykh Rabee ibn Haadee (hafithahullaah) mentioned, so if this is something impermissible it would be beneficial for us to know so that we can rectify ourselves, Insha'Allah. So if any of the brother can find out the permissibility of this act that would be very helpful Insha'Allah. Jazakumallaahu khayraa Umm Aasiyah
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| abu.talhah.a | -- 15-04-2003 @ 12:00 AM |
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Jazakallaahu khair, Akh Moosaa. And may Allaah reward our noble Shaykh Rabee' hafidhahullaah. Aslam
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| Moosaa | -- 15-04-2003 @ 12:00 AM |
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just a small note - something being a sign of the Day of Judgement does not necessarily mean it is something haraam, while many of the texts inform us of the spread of haraam actions like cutting family ties and the likes. However, some texts refer to the spread of a halaal (but strange) practice, and others mention the spread of disliked things. More elaboration to come, in shaa' Allaah. Moosaa Richardson ******************** سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت أستغفرك وأتوب إليك This message was edited by Moosaa on 4-16-03 @ 3:59 AM
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| Moosaa | -- 15-04-2003 @ 12:00 AM |
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just a small note - something being a sign of the Day of Judgement does not necessarily mean it is something haraam, while many of the texts inform us of the spread of haraam actions like cutting family ties and the likes. However, some texts refer to the spread of a halaal (but strange) practice, and others mention the spread of disliked things. More elaboration to come, in shaa' Allaah. Moosaa Richardson ******************** سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
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| abusalmaan | -- 16-04-2003 @ 12:00 AM |
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Hadeeth of Taariq ibn Shihaab- Then its chain of narration contains Sayyaar. What is correct is that he was not Sayyaar Abul-Hakam (who did not hear from the companion Taariq ibn Shihaab) rather he was Sayyaar Abu Hamzah who was declared reliable by Ibn Hibbaan alone. However 1. a group of reliable narrators narrate from him - so his hadeeth are to be taken as 'Hasan' at least, 2. the hadeeth of Ibn Mas'ood with its 2 or 3 chains of narration support it and Allaah knows best. 1 thing ! the wording you gave was diffrent to that I have, You posted حتى تعين المرأة زوجها the wording I have is حتى تشارك المرأة زوجهافي التجارة أبو سلمان النمري طلحة بن وليم والعصر ان الانسان لفي خسر الا الذين آمنواو عملوا الصالحات و تواصوا بالحق و تواصوا بالصبر
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| Moosaa | -- 17-04-2003 @ 12:00 AM |
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what i posted was the wording of Imaam Ahmad rahimahullaah Moosaa Richardson ******************** سبحانك اللهم وبحمدك أشهد أن لا إله إلا أنت أستغفرك وأتوب إليك
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