Topic: Masjid Rahmah is Innocent of Abu Usaamah adh-Dhahabee


Masjid.Rahmah    -- 01-06-2004 @ 3:06 AM
  Bismillaahi was saalatu was salaamu 'ala Rasoolillaahi wa 'ala alihi wa sahbihi wa sallam, wa ba'd:

As salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullaahi wa barakatuh,

We want general people to know that Abu Usaamah adh-Dhahabee has recently came to Masjid Rahmah claiming that he wants to make tawbah, clarifying himself, saying to the people that he had a desire to sit with Abu Uwais as a means to clear himself(Alhamdolillaah the sitting never happened).  He has contacted several people, individuals in stores, elders, and the likes...left countless messages.  The people were informed to tell Abu Usaamah adh-Dhahabee that his issue is with the Scholars, and Abu Uwais can not help him.  But today, Monday the 31st of May, Abu Usaamah adh-Dhahabee foolishly came to Masjid Rahmah at a time when the majority of the Administration was not present, convinced our brother Na'eem Shabazz at a moment when he was unaware, to allow him to declare this so-called tawbah on the mic in the musallah area.  We relay this to our brothers at large so the that it would be known that this was done without our agreement, and so that Abu Usaamah adh-Dhahabee would not get any mileage or prestige out of it.  We repeat once again that Abu Usaamah adh-Dhahabee needs to talk to the Scholars who made their ruling upon Abu Usaamah adh-Dhahabee.  The likes of Sh. Ahmad an Najmee, Sh. Zayd al Madkhalee, Faalih al Harbee and Sh. Ahmad Bazmool.  And once he does so, and those Scholars mentioned, declare Abu Usaamah adh-Dhahabee as clear, then we will accept Abu Usaamah adh-Dhahabee as clear.  Until then we implore Abu Usaamah adh-Dhahabee to stop bothering the laymen with issues that are concerns of the Scholars.  In regards to so-called tawbah it's words will be related to the Scholars for a ruling.

We ask the people not to be fooled if he tries to spread his so-called tawbah claiming its validity.

...insha Allaah, more may come.


sajid    -- 01-06-2004 @ 5:35 AM
  I thought Abu Usamah was in the UK


abu.hamzah.jameel    -- 13-06-2004 @ 2:30 AM
  As salamu alaikum WA RahatuLLAHE WA Barakatuh.
  May ALLAH (SWTA) guide Abu Usamah to the Seratul MustaQeem
Abu Usamah, if he has recanted and has recognized the error he has chosen to follow then, His rectification with the people is Correct. Because in his dawa he not only belittled the Ulemah and there students but he has also attacked and criticised the Dae and the followers of salafiyyah in general
"Ultra Salafy" "Blind followers of Sheikh Rabia" "Salafy out on a witch Hunt" "Ghulu, ghulu" "muqaled muqaleed" etc, he has helped the adversaries of the dawa at the expense of our noble brothers. So he recanting to the general masses is acceptable.
  BUT we are not the ones to rectify his situation that is for the ones with the faham in this deen. The Ulemah and If he is true when he says he wants to recant and he is or claims now to be with the salafies then he should know that...
  
AbuHamzah As-Salafy



abdulilah    -- 14-06-2004 @ 10:24 PM
 
Just recently i read a four page letter from him summarising the advice of sheikh Rabee' but in reality it was another insulting letter against his salafi brothers.

Alhamdulillaah after listening to the advice of Sheikh Rabee' he said clearly to not reply to others with insults and here Abu Usama continues to insult his brothers calling them spin doctors, people of ghulu, ghulaat, hizbiyyah... and his previous posting he had gone against the verses in Soorah Hujaraat insulting his salafi brothers and using names like Dawud Ajeeb, Abul Hasan Haalik, amongst other abhorent names that should not come from a taalib al ilm against his salafi brothers. It is to me as if he is the one who didn't stick to the advice of Sheikh Rabee' in the first place so i advise him to listen again to the advice of the mashayakh and compare it to his posts and letters and then fulfil the condition of tawbah, from it is to return the rights of those he has harmed.



قال تعالى:{إنا نحن نزلنا الذكر وإنا له لحافظون}
قال الشيخ السعدي - رحمه الله - في تفسيره (3/31): " فلا يحرف محرف معنى من معانيه( القرآن ) إلا وقيض  الله له من يبين الحق المبين وهذا من أعظم آيات الله ونعمه على عباده المؤمنين".


Daud.Chest    -- 18-06-2004 @ 1:51 AM
  Salaamu Ailaykum,

Rightfully so, I'm no fan of Abu Usaamah Al-Mubtadi.  However, when it comes to Muslims seeking rectification, admittedly, I'm a soft hearted dude.  I hoped he was trying to return to the haqq, and wondered if the people were being too hard on Abu Usaamah in his attempt to make tawbah.  That was until I heard the tapes our brother Abu Uwais made, particularly the one of "If Talking is Silver Than Silence is Golden".  May Allaah put Abu Uwais' efforts on his scale of good, and bless him with Jennah...Aameen.  Get this tape!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Goldie" is clearly playing games with the people.  Anyone who continues to harbor love for "Goldie" needs to listen to that tape!!!!!  Our brother Abu Uwais goes thru his kalam point-by-point, refutes him, and points out with clarity the games that this clown is playing.  May Allaah guide him or destroy him...and protect his children from the dumb du'a he made...Aameen!  Lastly if he keeps playing games, Allaah may actually make him die a yahoodi like he invoked in another one of the du'a he made.  Get the tape and listen to it and you'll see how foolish he is.

Barakallahu Feekum,

Daud

..."Know that the Religion is what came from Allaah, the Blessed and Most High.  It is not something left to the intellects and opinions of men.  Knowledge of it is what comes from Allaah and His Messenger (Salallaahu Alayhi wa Salam)"...Imam Barbahaaree


abdulilah    -- 18-06-2004 @ 9:37 AM
  Bismillaah arRahman arRaheem
alhamdulillaah wa salatu wa salamu 'ala rasoolilaah wa ba'd

brother Daud we must be careful not to go into the other extreme and start calling him names and make tabdee' of Abu Usama, indeed he has erred and we have rejected these errors from him but to make tabdee' of him by saying mubtadi' is heavy. Who from ahlul 'ilm have made this tabdee' of him?

You have taken him out of the fold of Ahlu Sunnah. Anyway i am sure you will take it back since this is not what the scholars here in the mamlaka say about the person who makes these mistakes. No doubt he is wrong in what he did and we have refuted him for saying what he said but with justice (adl).


Rather the brothers in Masjid Sunnah have rightly so said it needs to be taken back to the scholars and they will advise us what is to be done.

Also i remind my brothers and sisters on this forum that whatever we write we are accountable for, to not be hasty in writing and always refer back to ahlul ilm.

Allaah knows best.

قال تعالى:{إنا نحن نزلنا الذكر وإنا له لحافظون}
قال الشيخ السعدي - رحمه الله - في تفسيره (3/31): " فلا يحرف محرف معنى من معانيه( القرآن ) إلا وقيض  الله له من يبين الحق المبين وهذا من أعظم آيات الله ونعمه على عباده المؤمنين".


umm.aboo.yahyaa    -- 18-06-2004 @ 11:14 AM
  wa alaykumus salaam wa rahmatullaah,

akhee abdullaah,

may Allaah bless you and your family, aameen.

you mentioned: "Who from ahlul 'ilm have made this tabdee' of him?"

brother abu uwais says on the tape (If Talking is Silver Than Silence is Golden) that shaykh Ahmad Najmee calls Abu Usaamah a mubtadee'.

please can this issue me made clear, as that tape is 'very heavy' indeed. And if he (abu usaamah) is of ahlus sunnah but has erred and needs to rectify his problems with the ulamah, unfortunately I'm sure he smelt gasolin from that tape!


umm aboo yahyaa

This message was edited by umm.aboo.yahyaa on 6-18-04 @ 11:29 AM


abu.hamzah.jameel    -- 18-06-2004 @ 9:30 PM
  as-salamu alaikum Wa RahmatuLLAhe Wa barakatuh
  Ya Ikhwan  We Will hold the position that the Ulemah hold for Abu Usamah,,, And We hope and ask ALLAH(SWTA) to bring Mr Khalifah Athahabi to the Sunnah 100%..  Salafies never rejoyce in the misfortunes of others But Instead we ask ALLAH(SWTA) to guide who ever he wills.
  One Of the things I heard from  Mr Khalifah myself is him saying that the "utra-salafies" always wanting perople to be off it.. now that is not a quote but anyone who knows him has probably heard that from him.
  BUT instead We want Good for Mr Khalifah(returning to the Sunnah),, And Until then,,, we free ourselves from his errors.


Abu Hamzah As-Salafy

Wa Alaikum As-Salam Wa RahamatuLLAHE Wa Barakatuh


shahid393    -- 19-06-2004 @ 1:17 AM
  as-salaamu 'alaykum,

the speech of aboo uways can be purchased here:

http://www.authenticstatements.com/catalog/product.php?p=744
http://www.authenticstatements.com/catalog/product.php?p=743

may allaah reward aboo uways for making clear the deception of aboo usaamah, and may he cause the hizbiyyoon who attack aboo uways because of it to choke upon the flesh of our brother.  ameen.

a reminder:
http://salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=6&Topic=2991

aboo husaam shaheed ibn george williams
wichita, ks  usa


Daud.Chest    -- 19-06-2004 @ 7:24 PM
  Salaamu Ailaykum,

Ya akhi, a small person like me is not in any position to pronounce tabdee on anyone; our blessed manhaj restricts that responsibility to the  Ulemah; and then we "ride" with what they say!  Abu Uwais (who is certainly thiqah) said Shaykh Najmi said he was a mubtadi, and that his affair is also with Shaykh Zayd Al-Madkhali, and Ahmed Bazmool.  Perhaps I may have misunderstood the tape, so I'll listen to it again and get back with you with some details.  

I posted my original message only to urge the people to buy the tape because it's jayyid, NOT to initiate a dicussion of Abu Usaamah because that is very old news, and does not require people calling overseas to get clarity on an issue that has been driven into the ground.  Unfortunately, there are people who still have wala for him; and basing our wala wal bara for anything other than Allaah is hizbiyyah.  Many of us have made du'a for him to return to the haqq.  If he makes tawbah, rectifies his Salafiyyah, and after some time he checks out to cool; than we'll accept him back, and love him for the pleasure of Allaah.  Until then, he remains grouped with the rest of those knuckleheads!

Barakallaahu Feekum,

Daud  

..."Know that the Religion is what came from Allaah, the Blessed and Most High.  It is not something left to the intellects and opinions of men.  Knowledge of it is what comes from Allaah and His Messenger (Salallaahu Alayhi wa Salam)"...Imam Barbahaaree


abdulilah    -- 20-06-2004 @ 7:43 AM
  Assalamu 'alaikum,
Jazakalaahu khairan Daud, I accept what the mashayakh have said and take back what i wrote to you as i didn't come accross the tabdee' made by the scholars of him and Abu Awais is indeed known to us and we love him for the sake of Allaah and may Allaah bless him, his health and his family. We have seen good from him linking the people there with the scholars of our time which many have failed to do. We ask Allaah to give us Ikhlaas and make us firm upon the truth. As sheikh Rabee' says, "ath-Thabaat ath-Thabaat" Be firm Be firm!
Ameen


قال تعالى:{إنا نحن نزلنا الذكر وإنا له لحافظون}
قال الشيخ السعدي - رحمه الله - في تفسيره (3/31): " فلا يحرف محرف معنى من معانيه( القرآن ) إلا وقيض  الله له من يبين الحق المبين وهذا من أعظم آيات الله ونعمه على عباده المؤمنين".


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